Resumption of MAS's Previously Axed Routes, Launch of New Routes + Wishlist

[KK Lee 5]

MH's absent in SUB is due to a big controversy case where the local station manager stole a big sum of cash and MH can not take legal action upon him because he is politically related to someone very high ranking in the Republic. MH's misadventure in SUB was discussed in several threads before in the forum. MH was once served SUB 9 weekly.

 

Agreed that Indonesia is where MH can really play a crucial role in oneworld. MH has a bulk of destinations in Indonesia where it once served during the golden years:

• Balikpapan - to be served by MASwings from KCH
• Bandung - terminated
• Makassar - terminated
• Manado - terminated
• Padang - currently served by Firefly from SZB
• Pekanbaru - currently served by Firefly from SZB
• Pontianak - currently served by MASwings from KCH
• Surabaya - terminated
• Tarakan - currently served by MASwings from TWU
• Yogyakarta - terminated

All the terminated destinations (5 of them) are considered as big cities/towns in Indonesia.

 

If MH management is not in oblivion like LH, KL, AF or BA; any route which 738 is overcapacity, serve with ERJ/CRJ; any route which is within 2 hours from KUL, nightstop ERJ/CRJ or 738 for early morning departure to KUL for connection.

[Izanee 0]

MAS should have targeted indonesia years ago. SQ was smart and promoted itself as the 'international airline' for Indonesia using its hub in SiN to connect Indonesians all around the world... And at the same time catch the premium market coming out ..lots of money to be made.

 

Huge population, growing middle class etc etc.

With Garuda struggling before, made a lot of sense to position yourself as the lead.

MAS is about 20 years late, as usual.

Now GA is flying high and it will be very difficult for MH to promote itself as the preferred carrier.

 

However, as mentioned before, It's the only OW member with good penetration of the market so it should try to make sure it becomes the preferred OW member ...

BA is keen to grab a foothold in CGK... MAS better be quick!

[zamim 0]

If MH management is not in oblivion like LH, KL, AF or BA; any route which 738 is overcapacity, serve with ERJ/CRJ; any route which is within 2 hours from KUL, nightstop ERJ/CRJ or 738 for early morning departure to KUL for connection.

 

It would never materialised

[KK Lee 5]

MAS should have targeted indonesia years ago. SQ was smart and promoted itself as the 'international airline' for Indonesia using its hub in SiN to connect Indonesians all around the world... And at the same time catch the premium market coming out ..lots of money to be made.

 

Huge population, growing middle class etc etc.

With Garuda struggling before, made a lot of sense to position yourself as the lead.

MAS is about 20 years late, as usual.

Now GA is flying high and it will be very difficult for MH to promote itself as the preferred carrier.

 

However, as mentioned before, It's the only OW member with good penetration of the market so it should try to make sure it becomes the preferred OW member ...

BA is keen to grab a foothold in CGK... MAS better be quick!

 

May be previous management find Indon was too lowly for 5 star airline

[KK Lee 5]

If MH management is not in oblivion like LH, KL, AF or BA; any route which 738 is overcapacity, serve with ERJ/CRJ; any route which is within 2 hours from KUL, nightstop ERJ/CRJ or 738 for early morning departure to KUL for connection.

 

It would never materialised

 

Then MH couldn't become a major regional player.

[alberttky 0]

 

Then MH couldn't become a major regional player.

Since when was MH a major regional player?

[Izanee 0]

To be fair, MAS carried the largest number of passengers in South east Asia in the 90s... Before they started downsizing and way before competition by AK..

[nrazmoor 0]

IMO, MH should at least fly double daily or more to city like Surabaya/Bandung/Manado/yogyakarta and daily to place like Lombok/pekanbaru/padang... Indonesia is growing at the moment. it is a loss for MH if they choose not to increase their presence in Indonesia. Also, MH will have the edge against SQ since some of the route serve by MI.

[filipeseda 0]

The wiki KLIA page states that MH is resuming Surabaya services on 10th February 2014. Then again it's Wikipedia, but it's been up for a few days now.

 

Can anyone confirm this?

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

Some changes to MH's network to DAC, CAN and HKG. http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/28/mh-asia-feb14/

[JuliusWong 0]

MAS resumed KK-Tokyo flight with B738 and making BKI the eastern hub again. http://www.thesundaily.my/news/867929

 

Let us place bet, how long will it last this time?

[Johan Z 0]

It's great to see they're increasing their frequency and expanding, but they need to order new aircraft ASAP.

[flee 5]

It's great to see they're increasing their frequency and expanding, but they need to order new aircraft ASAP.

Why? Their A333 and B738 orders are not complete yet.

 

After these are delivered, and the old aircraft retired, the fleet will be quite young (about 5 yrs old). So any new order within the next 2 or 3 years should be good enough. If they need aircraft urgently, leasing will be the way to go.

[Isaac 0]

MAS resumed KK-Tokyo flight with B738 and making BKI the eastern hub again. http://www.thesundaily.my/news/867929

 

Let us place bet, how long will it last this time?

I don't think The Sun knows what they are talking about. There is no word on MAS making BKI a hub again. Besides, MAS already suspended BKI-KIX and the last flight took off last week. Instead of flying BKI-KIX, MAS will now fly between BKI-NRT.

 

Why? Their A333 and B738 orders are not complete yet.

Anyone knows how many non-BSI 738 is in MAS active fleet now ? And when will they start to retire those planes ?

[Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2]

Why? Their A333 and B738 orders are not complete yet.

 

After these are delivered, and the old aircraft retired, the fleet will be quite young (about 5 yrs old). So any new order within the next 2 or 3 years should be good enough. If they need aircraft urgently, leasing will be the way to go.

 

I believe the 777 is in need for a replacement. The management have stated that they are not considering refurbishing the 772 fleet as it will not bring the returns (a new cabin will require 6-8 years for ROI) and they're sweating both Airbus & Boeing for a better deal.

[Ivan_Endi 0]

Anyone on Darwin first flight this Friday?

[JuliusWong 0]

I believe the 777 is in need for a replacement. The management have stated that they are not considering refurbishing the 772 fleet as it will not bring the returns (a new cabin will require 6-8 years for ROI) and they're sweating both Airbus & Boeing for a better deal.

Yes, indeed. Those news seats, IFE and fittings doesn't come cheap. Moreover MH most probably would want to patented them, at least for F class. I noticed that those final F class on B744 was not used by any other airline. The J class is overused by many airlines.

 

Most airlines are or will progressively replacing their B772/ER fleet once the B787 and A350 comes online. B787 and A350 lines are very long, unless MH can get their hands on those from leasing companies. The best option now is A330HGW. B77W might have a shot. B777-X is out of question as it will overkill MH,

[Mushrif A 3]

Yes, indeed. Those news seats, IFE and fittings doesn't come cheap. Moreover MH most probably would want to patented them, at least for F class. I noticed that those final F class on B744 was not used by any other airline. The J class is overused by many airlines.

 

Most airlines are or will progressively replacing their B772/ER fleet once the B787 and A350 comes online. B787 and A350 lines are very long, unless MH can get their hands on those from leasing companies. The best option now is A330HGW. B77W might have a shot. B777-X is out of question as it will overkill MH,

 

 

Those MH F on the 744s are/were also available on TGs 744 and 346. Very very similar, effectively the same product.

[Isaac 0]

The best option now is A330HGW. B77W might have a shot. B777-X is out of question as it will overkill MH,

There was a discussion on A.net a few days ago about 330 range and from the information posted there, unless MAS aims to sell just 70%-80% of the seats on all flights to Europe and New Zealand year-round, then yes. The A330HGW will be the perfect replacement for MAS current 772.

[Najib Ramli 0]

There was a discussion on A.net a few days ago about 330 range and from the information posted there, unless MAS aims to sell just 70%-80% of the seats on all flights to Europe and New Zealand year-round, then yes. The A330HGW will be the perfect replacement for MAS current 772.

 

Yup, it's perplexing that the potential replacement for the 772 is the A330HGW....it would not work on the European and NZ route unless MH wants to axe these routes or fly with empty seats or pass over passengers to fellow OW members....

 

the only proper long distance plane aside from the 772 that MH has now would be the dugongs but it won't be economical to fly these everywhere...MAS should at least consider the 787 or the A350 from those leasing companies at least to fill up the gaps for these destination until they can properly sort out what type of planes they want.....

[Kenneth T 0]

While MH financial still in red, a decision for wide body long range aircraft is very unlikely in the short term.

 

With government interference, MH is incapable of 100% free from national service. Those previously axed route are reinstate for the government interest not withstanding that it may be profitable or otherwise.

[nrazmoor 0]

B777-X is out of question as it will overkill MH,

 

Would love to see MH place an order for B777-8!! It will be great for them to start direct flight to LAX/JFK/EWR or even to GIG/GRU/EZE and connect with LATAM for the whole Latin America. Wishful thinking tho'

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

I believe the 777 is in need for a replacement. The management have stated that they are not considering refurbishing the 772 fleet as it will not bring the returns (a new cabin will require 6-8 years for ROI) and they're sweating both Airbus & Boeing for a better deal.

 

I hope Airbus prevails. No to Dreamliner.

[flee 5]

I hope Airbus prevails. No to Dreamliner.

 

I don't think MH needs that many B772 replacements as the A333 has already replaced them on many routes. They only need them for the KUL-NRT-LAX, KUL-FRA and KUL-AMS routes. For these, an order for the A359/A35J would be appropriate. These would most likely be delivered post 2019.

 

While waiting for the delivery of the A359/A35J, MH can just refurbish maybe 5 B772s (I think this should be the cheapest way) or they can lease either the A345/346 or B77W.

 

Just read that Aerolineas Argentinas has leased 5 ex-SQ A345s. Must have gotten a good deal from Airbus!

[Johan Z 0]

Apparently for AR, it's cheaper to operate a quad over twin on South America-Oceania route due to ETOPS limitations on twin.