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MAB Signed MOU for 8 787-9 and 8 737 Max 8 During Najib-Trump Visit

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MAS had a clean fleet. Boeing for short haul, Airbus for medium and long haul. Throwing in 8 787 together with the A350 makes no sense. Due to maintenance costs, crew training, crew flexibility, etc. Airlines are streamlining their fleets not the other way round. I don't buy the BS that it came down to price. I can only conclude political interference again.

Many airlines operate mixed fleet successfully, like LH operating both 748 & A380 or BA & QR operating both 787 & A350.

 

If CCQ really saves a bundle of money all airlines would be flying only one type of aircraft.

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Many airlines operate mixed fleet successfully, like LH operating both 748 & A380 or BA & QR operating both 787 & A350.

 

If CCQ really saves a bundle of money all airlines would be flying only one type of aircraft.

The airlines that you have mentioned have fleets that are 3 or 4 times the size of the MAB fleet. They have more capability in the MRO and crewing. Their routes are higher yielding ones.

 

I do wonder how MAB will cope with so many types of aircraft on their small network. Surely, the financial impact will be felt.

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The airlines that you have mentioned have fleets that are 3 or 4 times the size of the MAB fleet. They have more capability in the MRO and crewing. Their routes are higher yielding ones.

 

I do wonder how MAB will cope with so many types of aircraft on their small network. Surely, the financial impact will be felt.

MH could and should extend it's network. Every destination added should has a multipliers effect on the network. Edited by KK Lee

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in PB IG he mentioned that he is heading to Europe #airbus #a330 #gooddeals. Perhaps another news from airbus side...

The A330 (both CEO and NEO) is ideal for their Asian routes that are over 3 hours because the 738s are not suitable for long routes. But they have the Max 10 on order and these can be configured with better seats and legroom for the longer regional routes. So if Airbus does not want to play ball with the NEO, PB can tell them to fly kites!

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Without competent management, no matter what type or how many aircraft type, the company won't able to make profit.

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The airlines that you have mentioned have fleets that are 3 or 4 times the size of the MAB fleet. They have more capability in the MRO and crewing. Their routes are higher yielding ones.

 

I do wonder how MAB will cope with so many types of aircraft on their small network. Surely, the financial impact will be felt.

 

They've already signed up for Boeing's Global Fleet Care service. Surely the cost have been factored in already.

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The Star's report:

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2017/09/14/mas-opts-for-dreamliner/

 

Some points of interest:

 

“There are nine different very long-distance routes that we are looking at right now, and certainly the west coast of the US and as far as New York. We will be assessing and investigating as to the market size. We are also looking at Amsterdam, Paris, and expansion into Japan and South Korea,” Malaysia Airlines managing director and chief executive officer Peter Bellew told Malaysian journalists in Washington.
However, he added that “it is important to remember that all these routes lost a lot of money for Malaysia Airlines in the past. I don’t want to repeat that. This aircraft (B787) has very strong economics, but we need to get partnerships in place to fill the planes from new destinations with attractive yields. With our new reservation system, we have a real chance of selling connecting traffic on our own, and easily on to our partner networks for the fist time in a simple way,” Bellew said.
Boeing will collaborate with the airline on a new MRO facility to specialise in the 787, MAX and Boeing new-generation (NG) aircraft.
Bellew said it would use the existing hangar at Sepang for the MRO services, and MRO services to other airlines with the Dreamliner, MAX and Boeing NG aircraft.
The MRO deal for the 16 aircraft is worth US$1.23bil for 12 years of the life of the planes, and when combined with the purchase of 16 aircraft, the total deal to the airline is worth US$4.86bil. Najib added that the airline would probably add another 25 737s in the near future, a deal he said would be worth more than US$10bil (RM42bil) within five years.

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May 2019 delivery? Suspect some other 787 operator has likely deferred or let go of their delivery slot.

 

Boeing has announced that it will increase 787 production to 14 aircraft per month in 2019.

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Seems to me he knows what he's talking about...let's hope his words will come true...

Two different issues, should bear little or no correlation whatsoever in local context :lol:

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They are buying Dreamliners, finally! Dreams come true. Isn't that great?

 

I am not actually concerned about the numbers. Everyone is buying, everyone is happy operating it. We are one of the last to buy. 8 is good for a start, not 17 or 25. At least we have finally decided to buy.

 

Cheers Peter! Justice to us spotters! Hehe.

 

Wow didn't see the B787-9s coming. Great for MH. I thought they are going to be a dull airlines operating solely on the A350s.

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Wow didn't see the B787-9s coming. Great for MH. I thought they are going to be a dull airlines operating solely on the A350s.

Now im wondering what will be the cabin configuration. F or no F? 8 abreast or 9 abreast? I'm rather surprised to find out that CX decided to go for 10 abreast for their 77W... bad move

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I'm pretty sure those MH 787s will have 9 abreast. They're trying to make money, remember... I hate the D7 9 abreast on the 333s, the 787s will be even tighter.

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I'm pretty sure those MH 787s will have 9 abreast. They're trying to make money, remember... I hate the D7 9 abreast on the 333s, the 787s will be even tighter.

If they're going to compete on price they really don't have much of a choice. Even CX has joined the dark side with their upcoming 10-abreast 777s.

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Now im wondering what will be the cabin configuration. F or no F? 8 abreast or 9 abreast? I'm rather surprised to find out that CX decided to go for 10 abreast for their 77W... bad move

 

How I wish it turn to be 8 abreast but i guess it will be 9 abreast.

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The Star's report:

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2017/09/14/mas-opts-for-dreamliner/

 

Some points of interest:

 

“There are nine different very long-distance routes that we are looking at right now, and certainly the west coast of the US and as far as New York. We will be assessing and investigating as to the market size. We are also looking at Amsterdam, Paris, and expansion into Japan and South Korea,” Malaysia Airlines managing director and chief executive officer Peter Bellew told Malaysian journalists in Washington.
However, he added that “it is important to remember that all these routes lost a lot of money for Malaysia Airlines in the past. I don’t want to repeat that. This aircraft (B787) has very strong economics, but we need to get partnerships in place to fill the planes from new destinations with attractive yields. With our new reservation system, we have a real chance of selling connecting traffic on our own, and easily on to our partner networks for the fist time in a simple way,” Bellew said.

 

 

PB's answer is weird. Normally an aircraft is purchased around a plan but this one sounds like a plan has to be made around the aircraft purchase.

 

I do hope he is not leaving the ship soon citing "family" as an excuse.

 

This The Star article now convinces me that this purchase is political.

 

And what happened to MH's previous political purchase? Yes, it was a mistake and they are still struggling to get rid of the 6 A380s.

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I'm pretty sure those MH 787s will have 9 abreast. They're trying to make money, remember... I hate the D7 9 abreast on the 333s, the 787s will be even tighter.

I think it depends on the airline and what seat designs they chose. I tried the VN 787-9 Y seats and they are a bit better than D7's. But there is no doubting that the seats are narrower than old school Y seats. On the A350 9 abreast configuration, it feels just the same as a normal Y class seat.

PB's answer is weird. Normally an aircraft is purchased around a plan but this one sounds like a plan has to be made around the aircraft purchase.

 

I do hope he is not leaving the ship soon citing "family" as an excuse.

 

This The Star article now convinces me that this purchase is political.

When I first read about the MoU and an order for only 8 frames, it was a red flag. I asked myself, is this a new plan - MAB has always been talking about 6-8 frames for short term and about 25-30 for the longer term, so 8 frames for the long term was never mentioned in any of their reports or interviews with PB.

 

We will have to wait and see if this MoU will come to fruition. PB's contract will expire when the 787 deliveries begin. Lets wait and see...

 

Yes, this sounds political and MAB has been bullied into it. So, it looks like Khazanah has been overuled by the PM who is struggling for his political survival.

Edited by flee

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PB's answer is weird. Normally an aircraft is purchased around a plan but this one sounds like a plan has to be made around the aircraft purchase.

 

I do hope he is not leaving the ship soon citing "family" as an excuse.

 

This The Star article now convinces me that this purchase is political.

 

And what happened to MH's previous political purchase? Yes, it was a mistake and they are still struggling to get rid of the 6 A380s.

 

i suppose in this case B787s are much more easier to get rid of as compared to A380s. If they can't get rid of B787s at least they can still deploy few of them to big airports for brand promoting exp/ HKG or HND

I'm pretty sure those MH 787s will have 9 abreast. They're trying to make money, remember... I hate the D7 9 abreast on the 333s, the 787s will be even tighter.

 

Remember that full flat direct aisle access business class seats newly planned for the 737MAX 10? It seems like they wanted to focus on giving all their efforts for the Business Class products & somehow I felt that the Y class paxes are ignored once again. Let's hope they will be launching a new product for Y class too...

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http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017/09/14/najib-no-truth-to-malaysia-currying-favour-with-us-over-boeing-plane-purchase/#d7X21UTrQtifDyOS.99

 

"When we buy Boeing planes we are turning MAS into a competitive airline. When other airlines have dreamliners, we must also have dreamliners."

 

Isn't that a dejavu? Hahahahahaha.

 

I really pity PB. I truly am. This is truly a joke. It's like after all the painful hard works, Mueller's 12 pillars etc, that recently resulted in a few quarters of single digit (in mil) operating profits, somebody decided to Ok now we should buy more plane now now now. Market research/study all later can kawtim.

 

Our only hope now is that the whole cirque du soleil will not get reelected. PERIOD.

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http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017/09/14/najib-no-truth-to-malaysia-currying-favour-with-us-over-boeing-plane-purchase/#d7X21UTrQtifDyOS.99

 

"When we buy Boeing planes we are turning MAS into a competitive airline. When other airlines have dreamliners, we must also have dreamliners."

 

Isn't that a dejavu? Hahahahahaha.

 

I really pity PB. I truly am. This is truly a joke. It's like after all the painful hard works, Mueller's 12 pillars etc, that recently resulted in a few quarters of single digit (in mil) operating profits, somebody decided to Ok now we should buy more plane now now now. Market research/study all later can kawtim.

 

Our only hope now is that the whole cirque du soleil will not get reelected. PERIOD.

The replacement n surplus plan has always been for the 787/a330hgw now called a330neo. Its been around since 2012. Mas was too chicken to invest in newer fleet. If there is no investment in fleet renewal it'll never improve. Look at them now. Get new planes kena complain stay stagnant kena complain juga. The plan to get 25 next gen widebody is also too farfetch everyone knows that but it cannot be ruled out for long term if the market n load peeks up. For now 8+6 is just a nice touch along with the additional second hand a330s.

 

If someone were to offer me a good price deal for a better model without any substantial operating cost difference I'd take the opportunity to procure it. If that is not appealing to the public we should let MAS closeshop and wait for the any gulf carrier to take over if theyre even willing to.

Edited by jahur

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I think that right now, it is premature to say anything until the MoU is firmed and we have full details. But one can't help thinking all the talk in the past about no more government interference is just talk... We are beginning to see the true reborn MAB's colours now. Lets wait and see if our fears are realised. All should be revealed in the next 18-24 months.


If that is not appealing to the public we should let MAS closeshop and wait for the any gulf carrier to take over if theyre even willing to.

 

I believe that in the current political environment, any sale and purchase agreement would be conducted with the Chinese, not the ME3! 8)

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I think that right now, it is premature to say anything until the MoU is firmed and we have full details are forthcoming. But one can't help thinking all the talk in the past about no more government interference is just talk... We are beginning to see the true reborn MAB's colours now. Lets wait and see if our fears are realised. All should be revealed in the next 18-24 months.

Think the issue was our pm piggybacking along with his already damaged and negative reputation. Wonder how the reception will be if the deal was made without him or in a smaller role. Believe the price negotiation between the two parties can be done over the phone or via visits by representative if Boeing is reluctant to reduce its price.

 

Dun think chinese carriers are willing to run the op hahaha. Gulf airliners however different story but dont think we'll get back the entire network from them.

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The issue will get the same public (forum) reaction regardless of it were spearheaded by other people than the PM.

 

The issue to me is that PB, the CEO, who has been executing the approved business plan, seems to be caught unaware of this purchase and blabbering about considering US destinations, to conduct market study LATER ON, which is not the normal convention or simple logic in conducting business plan. When I read the first The Star article that Flee posted earlier, what I transcribed from PB's response is "We don't know where to fly these planes."

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