MAB A350-900 Regional Flights to PEN, BKK, SIN & BKI from 9 December 2017

[Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2]

no pax, no point of having it right?

Can be easily offered to Enrich Platinum pax.

 

If you market a product as First, there will be costs associated with providing that product - even if there are no F pax on some F-cabin-equipped flights. It is too simplistic to suggest that no F pax, so no F costs.

A lot of F costs are already shared so indeed the cost is negligible.

[Chris Tan 0]

If you market a product as First, there will be costs associated with providing that product - even if there are no F pax on some F-cabin-equipped flights. It is too simplistic to suggest that no F pax, so no F costs.

You're assuming Enrich Platinum/OWE travelers don't exist

[Mushrif A 3]

You're assuming Enrich Platinum/OWE travelers don't exist

I didnt realise such status pax could just plonk their bums into an F seat whenever the F cabin is empty.

 

But seriously,

I wasnt thinking about fixtures and immovables like lounges and counters. But rather provisions that need to be allocated or available as long as an F cabin is offered. Such as catering stuff, other consumables used exclusively for F pax.

[Chris Tan 0]

I didnt realise such status pax could just plonk their bums into an F seat whenever the F cabin is empty.

 

 

Ah, my mistake. I thought you were referring to the F lounge.

 

 

But rather provisions that need to be allocated or available as long as an F cabin is offered. Such as catering stuff, other consumables used exclusively for F pax.

If there are no F pax, does MH load meals and amenities for all 8 seats?

[Mushrif A 3]

 

If there are no F pax, does MH load meals and amenities for all 8 seats?

There will still be procurement and holding of stock, at the very least - as long as F cabin is offered. A myriad of things like training, product differentiation from J bla bla bla. Even if a flight leaves with no F pax, because the next one may have one F pax and so on.

 

Good though for non F flying elite pax who could piggy back ride on the F infrastructure.

[JuliusWong 0]

It's been 10 for a while now. I'd like to say lot started late 2014-mid 2015 but can't remember fully.

Thank you for your input, wee kc too.

 

Just now, Philippines Airlines launched its newly reconfigured tri-class A333 with Thompson Vantage XL for J, replacing previously mono class 414 Y-only seat. Sign of what is coming for MH's A350 which is rumoured to have same J ?? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155209463670867&id=117387315866

Edited June 13, 2017 by JuliusWong

[Rabloo 0]

Thank you for your input, wee kc too.

 

Just now, Philippines Airlines launched its newly reconfigured tri-class A333 with Thompson Vantage XL for J, replacing previously mono class 414 Y-only seat. Sign of what is coming for MH's A350 which is rumoured to have same J ?? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155209463670867&id=117387315866

 

I think MH's A350 will have Thompson Vantage for J and Vantage XL for F

[RaymondT 0]

 

I think MH's A350 will have Thompson Vantage for J and Vantage XL for F

 

I hope MH is smart enough to get the Thompson Vantage XL for their A350. The standard Vantage is just ok for regional flights, but is very stretching for long distance.

 

Also, from memory, the number of seats between F and J is supposed to be similar, just that F gets more better leg room/space and a private suite setup.

 

So much for "regional" leading business class. Both Qantas/SQ and now Philippines has already surpassed it.

[flee 5]

Malaysia Airlines eyes new European route for Airbus A350s

 

Malaysia Airlines will use its new Airbus A350 jets to open a second destination in Europe following next year's launch of A350 flights between Kuala Lumpur and London.

However, the Oneworld member has axed plans to send the A350 to Auckland and has ruled out other destinations such as Australia and Tokyo.

“We've got the A350, it’s an expensive aircraft and we have to find something meaty and significant to do with it,” Malaysia Airlines CEO Peter Bellew has told aviation analyst firm CAPA.

Bellew said the economics of running the A350 on medium-range routes in the Asia-Pacific region simply didn't stack up, especially as the fleet will be limited to just six of the advanced aircraft.

“We hope to find something more than nine hours. We haven’t landed on one thing. We are looking at European destinations,” he admitted, adding that the airline is currently in discussion “with some airports.”

Full report here:

https://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airlines-eyes-new-european-route-for-airbus-a350s

[jahur 0]

Wow our yield management n premium demand is piss poor that mas is unable to even deploy the a350 on regional routes when cx and sq had no problems.

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

I hope it is Paris.

[KK Lee 5]

Wow our yield management n premium demand is piss poor that mas is unable to even deploy the a350 on regional routes when cx and sq had no problems.

 

Over half of fsc pax are transit (not o&d), it is MH failure to attract premium pax to transit at KUL.

[flee 5]

Wow our yield management n premium demand is piss poor that mas is unable to even deploy the a350 on regional routes when cx and sq had no problems.

 

Here are some reasons PB gave on why AKL will not get the A350:

 

 

Mr Bellew said the Auckland market can no longer support the A350 as it has become extremely competitive following the launch of nonstop flights from Emirates and Qatar. Malaysia Airlines plans to continue serving the Auckland market with A330-300s, which has a smaller business class cabin than the A350 and does not have any first class seats.

The new nonstop flights to Dubai and Doha have impacted Malaysia Airlines traffic from Auckland to London and India. Mr Bellew said most of the airline’s New Zealand traffic is heading to, or is originating in, the UK/Ireland or India. “Emirates and Qatar went in on the route and the fares plummeted”, he said.

Emirates and Qatar are able to attract significant New Zealand-India traffic, although transiting in the Middle East requires backtracking by offering “unbelievably low fares”, according to Mr Bellew.

More: https://centreforaviation.com/insights/analysis/malaysia-airlines-again-adjusts-its-widebody-strategy-to-resume-long-haul-growth-in-2018-350143

[JuliusWong 0]

 

Emirates and Qatar are able to attract significant New Zealand-India traffic, although transiting in the Middle East requires backtracking by offering “unbelievably low fares”, according to Mr Bellew.

When you have the muscle to deploy 3x one-stop daily A380 flight into Auckland (EK) and daily non stop B777-200LR by QR, how can we expect MH to compete and sustain its operation. Might be next route to cull.

Edited June 21, 2017 by JuliusWong

[Craig 0]

Wow our yield management n premium demand is piss poor that mas is unable to even deploy the a350 on regional routes when cx and sq had no problems.

SQ/CX's A350 (future) fleet is almost as big, if not bigger than, MH's fleet of B737.

[David.W 0]

Philippine Airlines Thompson XL seats on their A330

 

 

[JuliusWong 0]

SQ/CX's A350 (future) fleet is almost as big, if not bigger than, MH's fleet of B737.

To put things into perspective, SQ A350 fleet= 67 (collectively). CX= 48 (collectively). Current MAS B737 fleet= 54. I am sure some forum members gonna fire you since Malaysia Airlines has a large domestic market to service (Hahaha...).

[flee 5]

For CX and SQ, their workhorse is going to be the A350, once their old aircraft are phased out - this is their baseline aircraft of the fleet, much like the B737 is to MH.

 

Well, PB has already said that the target size of the B737 fleet will be about 40-45. That will be sufficient for the short to medium range routes.

 

The MS* series were specifically ordered to serve on domestic and shorter regional routes. So, if they return some B737s, it will probably be the other series like ML* and FF* series. The MX* series will also probably be intact.

 

PB has also said that there are no plans for additional A350s - they are already having a hard time identifying profitable routes for the two spare A350s to fly to!

[flee 5]

Malaysia Airlines' London Airbus A350 flights start January 2018

 

Malaysia Airlines plans to bring forward the start of its Airbus A350 flights to London to January 2018, but is putting expansion to other European cities on hold.

The Oneworld member now expects to take delivery of its first two Airbus A350s in November and December 2017, which will provide sufficient aircraft to take over the daily Kuala Lumpur-London Airbus A380 flights MH3/MH4 by mid-January 2018.

More:

https://www.ausbt.com.au/malaysia-airlines-london-airbus-a350-flights-start-january-2018

[RaymondT 0]

It's a shame that the same standard Vantage seats will be used for this 13 hours flight. Was hoping for the Vantage XL up front. Regionally the Vantage seats are alright, but any longer it falls behind the competition, especially with the current A330's arrangement which provides inconsistent hard products/arrangements between different seats.

[Chris Tan 0]

It's a shame that the same standard Vantage seats will be used for this 13 hours flight. Was hoping for the Vantage XL up front. Regionally the Vantage seats are alright, but any longer it falls behind the competition, especially with the current A330's arrangement which provides inconsistent hard products/arrangements between different seats.

The only direct competition MH has to LHR is BA, with their lovely 2-3-2 configuration. Anyone who's flown in J on both BA and MH A330 would know who's the winner

 

I've had pleasant 10-12hr flights with the Vantage product on LX. I think I'll survive KUL-LHR when the A350 arrives.

[Mr.Bandit 0]

based on Vantage LOPAS with reference to MH, the seats on A359 has wider seat width from 23-25" as compared to 20.6-22.3" on A333.

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

[RaymondT 0]

Good for single fliers, you get many more wonderful throne seats with lots of working space and storage.

Bad for couples flying together, you get the crappy twin seats with almost no storage at all. And with the Thompson seats, you can't put anything on the floor too when it's in the bed arrangement.

[David.W 0]

should look at LX 777 reviews and see how it is

 

That should be the benchmark?