Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted December 29, 2014 And it doesn't help that TF has been very upfront and vocal (tweets) about the incident and even flew to Surabaya (probably due to concern and a sense of responsibility) to meet the affected next-of-kin. He could choose to just instruct the QZ CEO to be the coverboy (like what Najib did to Hishamuddin during MH370) but he refused to. I agree that the branding is too powerful that commoners could not distinguish the difference between the affiliates, hence I think why TF flew to Surabaya because if this delicate matter is not handled properly, it will tarnish the brand, in which he is the face. As for the media portray of this incident as 'Malaysian' as opposed to Indonesian, I guess from journo/newpaper sales point of view, it is much more dramatic and sensational to relate the incident with the previous 2. Just imagine the headlines, "Malaysia faces 3rd aviation disaster in rapid succession while bracing the worst flood in half a century where 200,000 of its people are displaced". It is difficult for us to disown this tragedy because 49% of QZ is belong to us. We are at the frontlines at the eyes of world again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 29, 2014 ANALYSIS: QZ8501 crisis deals blow to AirAsia strategy Indonesia AirAsia has always been a cornerstone of the AirAsia group strategy, but it has handed the pioneering low-cost carrier its toughest challenge yet with the disappearance of flight QZ8501. Already AirAsia Berhad's shares dropped more than 7.82% in Bursa Malaysia trading on Monday as search and rescue teams continue to look for the missing Airbus A320. AirAsia first bought a 49% stake in defunct Indonesian carrier AWAIR in 2004, before changing the carrier’s name to Indonesia AirAsia in 2005. The remaining 51% of the airline is held by private investors. In ten years the Indonesian unit has grown to a fleet of 30 A320s, proving itself a worthy competitor against dominant Indonesian carriers. Full analysis here: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-qz8501-crisis-deals-blow-to-airasia-strategy-407480/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeqa 1 Report post Posted December 29, 2014 Don't think I mentioned it was a Malaysian plane. My apologies if people here misunderstood my posting. Agree - Skytrax reviewers also don't know the differences between all the Airasia group companies. Unfortunately, the single branding for all companies works both ways - good when things are good. And when there is a disaster, the public perception works the opposite way. TF will say that so far, the good outweighed the bad.... Yeah. look at this headline of the economics times of India Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azman MN 1 Report post Posted December 29, 2014 Maybe they should not go for one brand. Like BA leaving Iberia as it is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakan 2 Report post Posted December 29, 2014 Almost all newspaper released the news as "a Malaysian aircraft missing once again" (or like that) since yesterday. Reporters are not able to undestand AirAsia and AirAsia-Indonesia, altought missing plane registered Indonesia. The worst some of newspapers connected the tragedies of Malaysian Airlines. Air Asia as know as "Malaysia brand", so it is a bit hard to change to origin of the brand. If Air Asia would have an airline in Vietnam and if would be happend an accident, the people would pay the attention about " AirAsia=Malaysia" not an Vietnamese airline. (it's an example not about Vietnam) Anyway, is there any news about accident? what about vessels of crash site? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted December 29, 2014 It's fairly easy to differentiate between the different AirAsias: do an American & paint a huge country flag on the tailfin. As for the current situation, the wait for more info is excruciating to say the least. And if it's bad enough for outside observers, I can't imagine how tormenting it would be for the families. I sure hope we can end 2014 with some closure for QZ8501 - it's bad enough that we have yet been able to provide closure for MH370. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Yeah. look at this headline of the economics times of India Yes, newspapers love to sensationalise their stories to sell more copies! Even AirAsia X (which operates a different aircraft type - A330-300) has not escaped from negative publicity. Look at this headline - AirAsia passengers left in dark as trip from Coolangatta diverted to Brisbane: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/airasia-passengers-left-in-dark-as-trip-from-coolangatta-diverted-to-brisbane/story-fnihsrk2-1227169010498 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 AirAsia Upgrading Jets for Improved Tracking; Flight 8501 Not Modified Move Underscores Industry Debate on How and How Fast to Adopt Tracking Technology By JON OSTROWER And ROBERT WALL Updated Dec. 29, 2014 4:54 p.m. ET AirAsia ’s fleet of short-haul jets was already being upgraded to make them easier to track, but the airline hadn’t yet modified the aircraft that lost contact with air-traffic controllers over the weekend and remains missing. The budget airline is an early adopter of a dedicated tracking service, pre-empting an industry push to comprehensively follow planes in flight. Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501 was bound for Singapore from the Indonesian city of Surabaya when air-traffic control lost contact with the plane, sparking a so-far fruitless search for the Airbus Group NV A320 jetliner and the 162 people onboard. Officials said the search area is being widened as the effort stretches into a third day. AirAsia, which owns 49% of the Indonesian carrier, had earlier this year begun deploying satellite communications on some of its A320s to provide position updates every two minutes, said Chris McLaughlin, vice president external affairs at satellite services provider Inmarsat PLC. The missing plane wasn’t yet modified, he said. Inmarsat provides access to the satellite network on which the tracking service runs. The airline couldn’t immediately be reached for comment. Air Asia’s move underscores a broader debate in the aviation community about how and how fast to adopt tracking technology. That debate ratcheted up significantly after the disappearance earlier this year of Malaysia Airline’s Flight 370. Knowing more precisely the last location of the A320 jet before it lost contact could have aided search-and-rescue teams by narrowing the area to scour for clues of the plane’s location. Full Wall Street Journal Report Here: https://www.google.com.my/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fairasia-upgrading-jets-for-improved-tracking-flight-8501-not-modified-1419886373&ei=5QCiVJS_Ac6cugTYxIHgCQ&usg=AFQjCNG-VqTlr8L8jleiTyaDEaTHwdb1gg&sig2=YZd4hs5aw7S-GHONivk8aw&bvm=bv.82001339,d.c2E Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cire 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 What could have happened that resulted so suddenly and probably catastrophically that neither pilots managed to make emergency calls of their predicaments? High altitude icing , stall, electrical failure, engine couldn't restart due to fuel line froze...etc. If the plane were to make a high velocity uncontrollable dive into the ocean, it would have disintegrated upon impact and debris would have been noticeable if not before the plane starts to disintegrate in mid-air due to the velocity of the dive or spin. These are menacing scenarios but what else can we theory on? 3rd. day, would it be the likely day QZ8501 be found? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashmil Abd Ghani 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 I did KUL-DPS-KUL yesterday, just hours after the incident. I flew the same airways as flown by the ill-fated QZ, just a few hours later. Capt, it is Surga-M635 route? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 With MH370 still within memory, why is the military still silent ? Surely they must have their own radars scouring the sky there as well ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
V Wong 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Yeah. look at this headline of the economics times of India Shocking! Trash dirtier than toilet seats!The rest of the world beware! India is one of the few places where pilots have to undergo annual training for flying during turbulent weather!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radzi 2 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Capt, it is Surga-M635 route? It is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 The weather factor: http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/archives/17443 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samuel Chy 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 they found some debris, finally. according to metronews Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Items resembling emergency slide, plane door spotted Indonesian officials say that items resembling an emergency slide and plane door have been seen in the search for AirAsia flight QZ8501, according to Agence-France Presse. More: http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/dec/30/missing-airasia-flight-qz8501-china-and-france-join-expanded-search Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nabiel Haniff 1 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Items resembling emergency slide, plane door spotted Meaning they already prepared for emergency? Indonesian officials say that items resembling an emergency slide and plane door have been seen in the search for AirAsia flight QZ8501, according to Agence-France Presse. More: http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/dec/30/missing-airasia-flight-qz8501-china-and-france-join-expanded-search Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 More Live Reports: http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-30630322 Indonesian search chief says debris is likely to be from plane The Indonesian search agency has just finished a press conference held in Bahasa with local media. At this stage, Reuters has issued this brief alert on what transpired: "Indonesian search and rescue agency chief says 95% sure debris off Kalimantan coast is from missing AirAsia jet." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cire 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 The imminent have surfaced. QZ's debris found off Kalimantan. CNA accidently shown footage of a full body floating in the sea believe to be from the ill fated A320. (it apologizes for the unintentional footage which were shown live from Indonesian media) ..Sad day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shahridan Aziz 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 coverage from kompas.. http://lipsus.kompas.com/topikpilihanlist/3381/1/pesawat.airasia.hilang.kontak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Very sad news. May the souls of all those who perished rest in peace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
V Wong 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Bodies retrieved http://news.detik.com/read/2014/12/30/150934/2790174/10/3-dari-6-mayat-dievakuasi-kri-bung-tomo-dari-perairan-pangkalan-bun?9911012 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cire 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 QZ requested to fly higher to 380 but denied and flew at 360 due to traffic. Could the plane have flown in-evidently into another plane's jet wash? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 QZ requested to fly higher to 380 but denied and flew at 360 due to traffic. Could the plane have flown in-evidently into another plane's jet wash? I don't think so. Wake turbulence effects at altitude is easily recoverable I figure. It's only closer to the ground where wake turbulence can be worrisome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff R. 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 A tweet from the Telegraph reporter in Indonesia "Some truly horrific photos of victims at #QZ8051 crash site now being broadcast on Indonesian TV. 6 victims confirmed found." Certainly horrific for the family and friends of all those lost. It is sad that news channels feel the need to broadcast this type of material. Their financial greed is greater than their compassion. Geoff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites