Benjamin Ho 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 What's wrong with MAS on this route? massive delays for past few days. Worried my wife's return flight is gonna be delayed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 The famous flow control I would say. Air traffic control delays, nothing much the airline can do about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandeep G 1 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 All airlines facing flow control between South East Asia and China... not looking forward to my back to back PEK and PVG flights in August Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mushrif A 3 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 What's wrong with MAS on this route? massive delays for past few days. Worried my wife's return flight is gonna be delayed. SQ too facing similar issues on the PVG route. Not specific to MH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benjamin Ho 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 some day it retimed from 8.40am to 2pm, that's pretty massive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arthur W. 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 Yes China air traffic is notorious. I once had a 6 hour wait sitting inside the plane, just awaiting for pushback clearance. Dragonair HKG to PVG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 Is this 'flow control' thing an issue that is likely to persist ? Seeking advice since Nic has a 2:15 transit at CAN coming mid Sept and the scheduled flight time of 3:15 from BKI doesn't seem to have much padding for any potential ATC delays Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David.W 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 Why is there so much delay? China ATC can't cope? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Tan 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 Why is there so much delay? China ATC can't cope?It's usual for airspace restrictions to be in force due to the priority accorded to the military Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amirul Mazlan 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 Thats why i hate flying into China. Flow control is one thing, it's so jurassic in these days. Too egoistic military mentality coupled with boom in commercial aviation. They just cant move on with times, in terms of freeing up airspace for civil control and use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alif A. F. 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 So, is this the reason when flights begin to enter mainland China, the routes become zig-zag? I have seen so many of them in FR24, where so many large detours occur when you can reach that destination in just a straight line. And is that the reason why certain flights like JT2633 from DPS have to stop at BKI before continuing on to XIY when non-stop journey could have been done? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandeep G 1 Report post Posted July 14, 2017 Mainland China has very few Entry and exit points - and airlines must have approval to operate at the various entry points and accompanying routes.. one of the most congested is via Hong Kong FIR entering Guangzhou FIR via BEKOL... not only are these bottlenecks for traffic because of lateral separation requirements... most flights will need to transition to Metric FL requiring climbs and descents - further compounded by restricted North and southbound RVSM levels in the South China Sea at 310/320, 350/360 and 390/400... so there is a lot of criss crossing.. add into the mix ad-hoc military exercises or even weather and you have even more conservative spacing and timings... More airspace needs to be released for civilian use.. one way of enhancing traffic but maintaining airspace availability for the PLA Air Force may be to offer flexi tracks every week in advance to permit optimal flight planning and scheduling.. this will help us limit fuel consumption and reign in costs while giving the airforce room to breathe too... unfortunately, easier said than done, but let's see.. the current is not manageable in the Long term, Nor really the short term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jahur 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2017 My Uncle missed his connecting flight on ka to bki due to late arrival from yvr in hkg. Cx booked him on mh flights to kul and then kul to bki. Funny he went all the way south then back to north east. All of this is also due to traffic flow in china. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted July 15, 2017 Why only recently has it been a problem though? I've not heard of such problems previously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roy Chin 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2017 Why is there so much delay? China ATC can't cope? even their homeland airline companies facing the same issue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alif A. F. 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2017 Civil air traffic surely have grown by leaps and bounds in China, thus one of the factors that cause this issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) Why only recently has it been a problem though? I've not heard of such problems previously. Always been there. You're just not hearing enough. Edited July 15, 2017 by Walter Sim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waiping 12 Report post Posted July 15, 2017 Always been there. You're just not hearing enough. Probably too common that nobody bothers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites