Azreen 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Al-Fatihah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Sg Besi/KTN route is regularly flown by RMAF following KL-Kuantan highway at below 2000 ft. Hence, Sea King pilots are familiar with the terrain en-route. There wasn’t a threat or operational reasons for low level flying especially if cloud base was low on last Friday. If RAF and RN SAR Sea King can operate in adverse weather condition, RMAF Sea Kings are equally capable. As the Sea King speed was slow, CFIT was unlikely unless the pilots were disoriented. Understand RMAF preferred choice of Sea King replacement is NH-90 TTH, in compatible with Five Power Defence Agreement (FPDA) comrades. However, Mindef decision may not follow RMAF recommendation. Given past record of large commission paid to ‘promoter’, won’t be surprised that if Mil Mi-8, Mi-14, Mi-17 is chosen as the Sea King replacement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H Azmal 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Given past record of large commission paid to ‘promoter’, won’t be surprised that if Mil Mi-8, Mi-14, Mi-17 is chosen as the Sea King replacement. A friend told me it was because the promoter's aadvisor is not in action (nudge nudge wink wink), hence the delay between saying Nuri will not be replaced and Nuri will be replaced in 3 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mokhzani 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 A friend told me it was because the promoter's aadvisor is not in action (nudge nudge wink wink), hence the delay between saying Nuri will not be replaced and Nuri will be replaced in 3 years. Upon completion of his jail sentence? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandeep G 1 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 he only going to Jail for 3 years meh? cheh... that one another story lah.. I think the RMAF is better off with the NH90 than any of the russian birds... never liked the Russian helicopters... BTW, isn't the "Sea King" a navy derivative of the S61? Hence why the RMAF uses the "Land-based" name "Nuri"? Believe the only navy choppers we have are the fennecs and the super lynx based over at Lumut correct? BTW, did any of the new Army A109s take part in the SAR mission?? I thought those have thermal imaging and what not?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 A friend told me it was because the promoter's aadvisor is not in action (nudge nudge wink wink), ..... Look on the bright side, at least we can now virtually discount the possibility of the RMAF acquiring second hand Mongolian AF choppers as replacements for the Nuris !! (Admittedly, some may find this distasteful, somehow) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iwan 3 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 if u guys noticed the article about the missing journalists in todays star..they received a call from the police who said no pictures will be allowed to be taken with out permission..so the journalists turned back and got lost on the way out..i smell sumthing funny here although it might have just been an army rule or sumthing like dat...they said that the nose of the nuri was embedded deepintothe ground...they must have crashed hard... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamizi Hj Tamby 1 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Well,let's see what are the choices for the successor of Nuri: -Sikorsky UH60 Black Hawk -Agusta Westland EH 101 Merlin -Mi-17 (Used by Malaysian Fire & Rescue Dept) There are rumors that Mi-17 will replacing the aging S-61A-4 Nuri,a.k.a. 'The Flying Coffins'.Well,let's see which one will be chosen as RMAF new Combat,Search And Rescue (CSAR) helicopter in 2010! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth K 3 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Very sad that they still use old heli. RIP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff R. 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) If you are worried about the safety and accident rate of the Nuri you should be even more worried if the Mi-8/Mi-17 is selected as its replacement. While the Bomba have a good record with the Mi-17 the safety record of the Mi-8/Mi-17 elsewhere in the world is pretty poor. Remember the Mi-8 was developed at the same time as the S-61 - ie its very old Russian technology. There are only three modern medium size helicopters available. They are the NH Industries NH-90, Sikorsky S-92 and the AgustaWestland AW101. Of these only the NH-90 and AW101 are military helicopters designed for military utility roles and both have been successful. The military version of the S-92, called H-92, is just a civilian S-92 painted green. The Eurocopter EC725 is just a much updated 1960s technology Puma and the Sikorsky Black Hawk has a much smaller cabin than the Sea King, so in my view should be discounted. Malaysia has two sensible options - the 11ton NH90 or the 16ton AW101. Geoff Edited July 19, 2007 by Geoff R. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Malaysia has two sensible options - ..... Not a commonly applied feature here though ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Idham 0 Report post Posted July 20, 2007 Very sad that they still use old heli. RIP and they used this old heli for search and rescue mission..... <_> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teoh Z Yao 0 Report post Posted July 20, 2007 and they used this old heli for search and rescue mission..... <_> Nuri alpha goes down... Nuri bravo sent for "search and rescue (S&R)"... Nuri bravi goes down, too... Nuri charlie sent for S&R... Charlie goes down, too... - define recursively... - halts - when run out of Nuri's. No S&R is ever successful. Conclusion - we're not serious in S&R. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted August 21, 2007 There are only three modern medium size helicopters available. They are the NH Industries NH-90, Sikorsky S-92 and the AgustaWestland AW101. OT to the Nuri replacement, but wanted to share this anyhow : First Flight of Royal Netherlands Navy NH90 NFH Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - NHIndustries ---------------------------------------------------------- NHIndustries on behalf of AgustaWestland, a Finmeccanica Company, announces that the first serial production NH90 for the Royal Netherlands Navy performed the maiden flight on Friday 10th August at AgustaWestland's Vergiate facility in Italy. The helicopter (NNLN001) took off at 14.45 h and the flight duration was of about 20 minutes. In flight preliminary checks fulfilled all expectations. Operational Representatives of the Dutch Customer joined the event. In the frame of the NH90 Programme work-share, AgustaWestland is responsible of the overall integration of the NH90 naval mission system for all NH90 naval variants (NFH: NATO Frigate Helicopter). The NH90 NFH variant is primarily designed for autonomous Anti- Submarine Warfare (ASW) and Anti Surface Warfare (ASuW) missions. The intrinsic characteristics and comprehensive mission equipment packages allow an unequalled range of additional operations: Search and Rescue (SAR), maritime patrol, vertical replenishment, troop transport, medical services and "Utility" roles. The helicopter is designed for day & night/adverse weather/severe ship motion environment operations. Due to its weight and dimensions, the deck- lock system, the deck traversing system and the automatic blade and tail folding system, it can operate from/to small Frigates. The NH90 modern platform and system technology will provide real operational advantages for the next 30 years with significant growth potential capabilities. The Royal Netherlands Navy has ordered a total of 20 NH90-NFH. Final Assembly of the Dutch helicopters is underway at AgustaWestland's Vergiate facility which is responsible also for the assembly of the NFH variant for Italian and Norwegian Navies as well as for the assembly of the TTH variant for Italian Army. The NH90 firm orders today have reached 495 units plus 60 contractual options and more than 98 "selections" (for which the definition of the detailed specification are on-going with the Customers) The NH90 is going to equip and modernize the Armed Forces of France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Portugal, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Greece, Oman, Australia, New-Zealand, Spain and Belgium. Final negotiation steps are yet under process with several other Defences for additional NH90, both in the Tactical Transport and Naval versions. NHIndustries consider this event an important achievement both for the Royal Netherlands Navy helicopters and for the overall NH90 naval Programme. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted August 27, 2007 Believe RMAF Alouette III is older than SeaKing S-61 and few poeple is talking about it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azmir I. 1 Report post Posted August 27, 2007 No more in front line service,allocated to 2 FTC at RMAF college Alor Setar,others handed over to Army Aviation Corps at Camp Mahkota Kluang for basic heli training. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
