MAS B772 9M-MRO Flight MH370 KUL-PEK Missing with All 239 POB Presumed Killed

[JuliusWong 0]

 

 

Again, I'm sorry but I find it difficult to believe that:-

 

(i) the Minister announced to the world that Malaysia bought submarines without equipping them with sonars. That's equivalent to buying a car that does not come equipped with headlights and tail lamps; and

 

(ii) the international media neglected to mention this in any of their reports.

 

I hate to trouble you but can you please provide the date of the press conference.

 

Code share partner China Southern Airlines will help families of passengers

 

http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/mh370-code-share-partner-china-southern-airlines-will-help-families-of-passengers-mas-ceo-32929

 

You can read up here:

 

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mh370-malaysia-needs-to-strengthen-assets-hishammuddin/

 

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/993028

 

http://english.astroawani.com/budget/news/show/mh370-malaysia-enters-next-phase-of-detecting-the-planes-blackbox-32203

[Chris Tan 0]

Can't see why CZ should be dragged into this. Yes, they marketed the flight as well but this was an MH operated flight that departed KUL.

[Hakan 2]

 

the plane is seems like cross over "Butterworth airbase", is it right?

[hafiziza 0]

You can read up here:

 

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mh370-malaysia-needs-to-strengthen-assets-hishammuddin/

 

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/993028

 

http://english.astroawani.com/budget/news/show/mh370-malaysia-enters-next-phase-of-detecting-the-planes-blackbox-32203

 

I'm not referring to the local media, who would not be able to distinguish between sonar and radar even if their life depends on it.

 

Any mention of this in the international media? I would imagine that CNN, WSJ and the rest would mention this in their news reporting.

 

Maybe perhaps the Minister was referring to the towed pinger locator which is normally mounted on remotely operated vehicles (ROV) and submersibles and not conventional submarines?

Edited April 2, 2014 by hafiziza

[Geoff R. 0]

It seems highly likely that MH370 entered Indonesian airspace at some point. Has anyone seen any statement from Indonesia confirming the aircraft was or was not detected?

 

Maybe the Indonesian Air Force were sleeping on the job like the Malaysian Air Force and either did not detect it or did and didn't do anything about it. Hindsight is a great thing but the TUDM failed spectacularly to defend the nation against a potential significant threat and no one has taken responsibility for this. Had the Air Force done its job the outcome of this tragedy may have been different.

[S V Choong 4]

It seems highly likely that MH370 entered Indonesian airspace at some point. Has anyone seen any statement from Indonesia confirming the aircraft was or was not detected?

 

Maybe the Indonesian Air Force were sleeping on the job like the Malaysian Air Force and either did not detect it or did and didn't do anything about it. Hindsight is a great thing but the TUDM failed spectacularly to defend the nation against a potential significant threat and no one has taken responsibility for this. Had the Air Force done its job the outcome of this tragedy may have been different.

 

Been asking this many days ago but to no avail.

 

May be the Indonesian aren't so keen in revealing their radar range to the Malaysian (and Singaporean).

[BC Tam 2]

I'm not referring to the local media, who would not be able to distinguish between sonar and radar even if their life depends on it.

 

Any mention of this in the international media? I would imagine that CNN, WSJ and the rest would mention this in their news reporting.

Apparently the geniuses at CNN made the following statement a few days ago: "Boeing 777 will struggle to maintain altitude once the fuel tanks are empty."

You think it's time to strike CNN off that list of preferred international media ?

[leon t 0]

Indonesia - from Sumatra down to Java is a very very large area including some of the islands and hence do not think Indonesia military primary area is able to cover the whole country - but still the main issue comes back to RMAF which its radar supposedly detected the turn and then all the way down Malacca straits - and without even raising the alarm. Malaysia cannot demand answers as to why Indonesia or even Singapore military or civilian radar detected bec its very own did nothing about it.

Further amot surprise if Malaysia buy these 2nd hand subs without fully equipping them with passive n active sonars - nothing surprises the people anymore - just like buying so many Russian fighters and then not having enough spares and maintenance and having half or more grounded for so many years.

[hafiziza 0]

Further amot surprise if Malaysia buy these 2nd hand subs without fully equipping them with passive n active sonars - nothing surprises the people anymore - just like buying so many Russian fighters and then not having enough spares and maintenance and having half or more grounded for so many years.

 

They are not 2nd hand subs. They are brand new. Maybe you have confused them with the Agosta-class sub Ouessant which the French decommissioned in 2001 and reactivated in 2005 to be used as a training vessel for RMN personnel who were going to operate the Scorpenes.

You think it's time to strike CNN off that list of preferred international media ?

 

Ok. Scratch CNN off the list. But what about the rest of the international media as well as the specialist media (those who specialize on reporting naval affairs). No mention at all. Strange. It cannot be that all of them were bought off by the Government

Edited April 2, 2014 by hafiziza

[S V Choong 4]

Boeing's Uninterruptable Autopilot

 

 

WASHINGTON (VR) —A former Delta airlines pilot who flew F4s and F16s after he graduated from the US Naval Academy in 1971 may be able to explain why Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 turned West several minutes before making its final radio transmission. Captain Field McConnell said it is possible to remotely fly the aircraft.
“It really boils down to who ultimately was controlling that aircraft in the final portions of the aircraft’s flight because when it took off it was under the command of two humans, a 53 year old captain and 27 year old copilot. At any point after the autopilot was selected, an agency with the ability to remotely take control of that airliner – if any of those agencies pushed the button to take control of that airliner – they would have been in control and the crew could have done nothing [about it], and that is due to the feature called the Boeing Uninterruptable Autopilot,” McConnell said. According to McConnell, this is not a conspiracy idea or potential feature of the aircraft; it can be done with current technology onboard the plane.
“Boeing Aircraft Company on the 3rd of March of 2007 said that they did indeed have the Boeing Uninterruptable Autopilot deployed. In the article where they announced it, they said by the end of 2009 all airliners in the world would be thus equipped. That brings us to 2014, which is five years after 2009,” McConnell said.
If this had involved a Delta flight operating in the United States, Delta, the FAA, the Air Force or the Navy could have captured control of the aircraft, including landing procedures, and taken it away from the flight crew using Boeing’s technology the meant to protect us against another September 11 type attack. Control of the aircraft once taken cannot be regained by the flight crew.
Fox News has reported that “At 1:19 p.m. on March 8, 12 minutes after the plane had changed course to the west, co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid gave a routine ‘All right, good night’ in his final radio call.” And on “The Kelly File” Wednesday night, former FAA spokesman Scott Brenner said one of the pilots must have entered the new direction into the flight management system, which he said would be virtually impossible for either the pilot or copilot to do without the other noticing. However the pilots may not have been responsible for entering the new waypoints that took the plane on a westward trajectory, according to McConnell.
“I don’t think they did do it, but even if the human pilots caused that excursion to the West, Malaysian Airlines FOC, which is the systems operations center, they would have the ability to capture their own aircraft [and] so would a variety of other entities,” McConnell explained.
3-20-2014 Field McConnell interviewed on Voice of Russia – Flight MH370

 

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/flight-370-industrial-espionagevoice-of-russia-interview-with-field-mcconnell-youtube-2923190.html

 

Uninterruptable Autopilot

 

http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/03/mh370-cyber-hijack-for-billions-freescale-tech-pilot-warned-about-crisis-gagged-speaks-out-2448396.html

[Waiping 12]

Did the plane came in close enough for Indonesia to scramble their jets? We know that there are military bases in the northern part of the peninsular but not sure about what Indonesia has around, say, near Aceh? That's the northern tip of Sumatra already and I presume the closest the plane would come into contact before heading up north towards Andaman.

 

Wonder if Indonesia did gave a warning to the plane, resulting in a change to flight path as seen. Can be possible and plenty of incentive to keep quiet now that the plane is missing.

[BC Tam 2]

But what about the rest of the international media as well as the specialist media (those who specialize on reporting naval affairs). No mention at all. Strange. It cannot be that all of them were bought off by the Government

Maybe it's case of them all being left blinking in disbelief and with mouth gaping wide open ?

(sorry OT)

[hafiziza 0]

Maybe it's case of them all being left blinking in disbelief and with mouth gaping wide open ?

(sorry OT)

 

Since this is the MH370 thread and not the Scorpene thread, I shall give the alleged case of 'the sonarless submarines' a rest.

Edited April 2, 2014 by hafiziza

[MIR 2]

Not the full list, but some of the aircraft involved in the search effort:

 

Western Australia :

1. RNZAF P-3K2 Orion NZ4203 - arr from Butterworth on 18/03, rumoured to have returned back to Butterworth on 20/03

2. RNZAF P-3K2 Orion NZ4204 - arr from Whenuapai on 19/03

3. PLAAF IL-76 20541 - arr from Subang on 22/03

4. PLAAF IL-76 20545 - arr from Subang on 22/03

5. USN P-8A 168429 - arr from Subang 18/03

 

6. JMSDF P-3C 5056- arr from Subang 23/03

7. JMSDF P-3C 5060 - arr from Subang 23/03

8. Global Express VH-TGG

9. Global Express VH-ICV

10. Gulfstream G-V-SP VH-LAL

 

11. A319 VH-VHD

12. ROKAF C-103H 05-183 - arriving today from Subang.

13. ROKN NP-3C 950905 - arriving today from Subang.

14. Gulftream 650 ZK-KFB - arriving today from Wellington, rumoured to join the search.

15. USN C-37A 166375 - arr from Guam on 25/03, possibly related with the search.

 

* RAAF aircraft information unavailable

 

Subang :

 

1. JASDF C-130H 05-1085

2. JASDF C-130H 75-1078

3. Japan Coast Guard U-4 JA500A

4. USN P-3C Orion 161764

5. PLAAF Y-8 20146

6. Indian Navy P-8I IN321

7. Indian Air Force C-130J KC-38??

 

* RMAF aircraft information unavailable

 

Aircraft related to 9M-MRO search effort (YPPH & YPEA). Update : 02/04/14

1. RMAF C-130H M30-12 arr from Subang via Jakarta Halim 29/03
2. RMAF C-130H M30-16 arr from Subang via Jakarta Halim 29/03
3. RNZAF P-3K2 Orion NZ4203 - arr from Butterworth on 18/03, rumoured to have returned back to Butterworth on 20/03
4. RNZAF P-3K2 Orion NZ4204 - arr from Whenuapai on 19/03
5. RNZAF P-3K2 Orion NZ4205
6. PLAAF IL-76 20541 - arr from Subang on 22/03
7. PLAAF IL-76 20545 - arr from Subang on 22/03
8. USN P-8A 168429 - arr from Subang 18/03
9. USN P-8A 168430 - arr from Kadena 28/03
10. ROKAF C-103H 05-183 - arr from Subang 25/03
11. ROKN NP-3C 950905 - arr from Subang 25/03
12. RAAF E-7A A30-005
13. RAAF C-130J A97-442
14. RAAF AP-3C A9-664
15. RAAF AP-3C A9-658
16. RAAF AP-3CA9-662
17. RAAF AP-3C A9-659
18. RAAF AP-3C A9-751
19. RAAF AP-3C A9-753
20. RAAF AP-3C A9-759
21. JMSDF P-3C 5056- arr from Subang 23/03
22. JMSDF P-3C 5060 - arr from Subang 23/03
23. Global Express VH-TGG
24. Global Express VH-ICV
25. Gulfstream G-V-SP VH-LAL
26. Gulftream 650 ZK-KFB
27. A319 VH-VHD
28. Kalitta Air B744F N794CK - brought US Navy Bluefin-21 TPL-25 Towed Pinger Locater (JFK-ANC-HKG-PER)

*The list above is incomplete

 

It is rumoured two more E-7A might assist the search ops.

There were few bizjets arrived from Subang, still no info if those bizjets will join the search ops or part of NAA entourage.

 

Updates on the search are now issued by the Joint Agency Coordination Centre:

http://www.jacc.gov.au/

Edited April 2, 2014 by MIR

[Geoff R. 0]

Full radio transcript here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/2014/newsspec_7440/transcript.pdf

 

MAS 370 (Kuala Lumpur to Beijing)

PILOT-ATC RADIOTELEPHONY TRANSCRIPT

Departure from KLIA: 8 March 2014

 

ATC DELIVERY

12:25:53 MAS 370 Delivery MAS 370 Good Morning

12:26:02 ATC MAS 370 Standby and Malaysia Six is cleared to Frankfurt

via AGOSA Alpha Departure six thousand feet squawk two

one zero six

12:26:19 ATC ... MAS 370 request level

12:26:21 MAS 370 MAS 370 we are ready requesting flight level three five zero

to Beijing

12:26:39 ATC MAS 370 is cleared to Beijing via PIBOS A Departure Six

Thousand Feet squawk two one five seven

12:26:45 MAS 370 Beijing PIBOS A Six Thousand Squawk two one five seven,

MAS 370 Thank You

12:26:53 ATC MAS 370 Welcome over to ground

12:26:55 MAS 370 Good Day

 

LUMPUR GROUND

12:27:27 MAS 370 Ground MAS370 Good morning Charlie One Requesting push

and start

12:27:34 ATC MAS370 Lumpur Ground Morning Push back and start

approved Runway 32 Right Exit via Sierra 4.

12:27:40 MAS 370 Push back and start approved 32 Right Exit via Sierra 4 POB

239 Mike Romeo Oscar

12:27:45 ATC Copied

12:32:13 MAS 370 MAS377 request taxi.

12:32:26 ATC MAS37..... (garbled) ... standard route. Hold short Bravo

12:32:30 MAS 370 Ground, MAS370. You are unreadable. Say again.

12:32:38 ATC MAS370 taxi to holding point Alfa 11 Runway 32 Right via

standard route. Hold short of Bravo.

12:32:42 MAS 370 Alfa 11 Standard route Hold short Bravo MAS370.

12:35:53 ATC MAS 370 Tower

12:36:19 ATC (garbled) ... Tower ... (garbled)

MAS 370 1188 MAS370 Thank you

 

LUMPUR TOWER

12:36:30 MAS 370 Tower MAS370 Morning

12:36:38 ATC MAS370 good morning. Lumpur Tower. Holding point..

[garbled]..10 32 Right

12:36:50 MAS 370 Alfa 10 MAS370

12:38:43 ATC 370 line up 32 Right Alfa 10.

MAS 370 Line up 32 Right Alfa 10 MAS370.

12:40:38 ATC 370 32 Right Cleared for take-off. Good night.

MAS 370 32 Right Cleared for take-off MAS370. Thank you Bye.

 

LUMPUR APPROACH

12:42:05 MAS 370 Departure Malaysian Three Seven Zero

12:42:10 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero selamat pagi identified. Climb

flight level one eight zero cancel SID turn right direct to

IGARI

12:42:48 MAS 370 Okay level one eight zero direct IGARI Malaysian one err

Three Seven Zero

12:42:52 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Lumpur Radar One

Three Two Six good night

MAS 370 Night One Three Two Six Malaysian Three Seven Zero

 

LUMPUR RADAR (AREA)

12:46:51 MAS 370 Lumpur Control Malaysian Three Seven Zero

12:46:51 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero Lumpur radar Good Morning

climb flight level two five zero

12:46:54 MAS370 Morning level two five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero

12:50:06 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero climb flight level three five zero

12:50:09 MAS370 Flight level three five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero

01:01:14 MAS370 Malaysian Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero

01:01:19 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero

01:07:55 MAS370 Malaysian...Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five

zero

01:08:00 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero

01:19:24 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Ho Chi Minh 120

decimal 9 Good Night

01:19:29 MAS370 Good Night Malaysian Three Seven Zero

# end of file/BIT 30 March #

[Cire 0]

Boeing's Uninterruptable Autopilot

 

 

 

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/flight-370-industrial-espionagevoice-of-russia-interview-with-field-mcconnell-youtube-2923190.html

 

Uninterruptable Autopilot

 

http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2014/03/mh370-cyber-hijack-for-billions-freescale-tech-pilot-warned-about-crisis-gagged-speaks-out-2448396.html

 

Hm.... Interesting. Can't rule this possibility out, just yet.

[Cire 0]

I know there's no cost limit set (at the moment) in the search operations, however sooner or later the volunteers would have to put a threshold line where it will no longer be able to provide that services anymore without assistance of finance to run it.

 

News' portal reported...

 

(Reuters) - The U.S. military has spent more than $3.3 million on the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and has put in place plans that nearly double the original $4 million available for the hunt, a Pentagon spokesman said on Wednesday.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/02/malaysia-airlines-usa-costs-idUSL1N0MU1HI20140402

[hafiziza 0]

China denies being angry, dissatisfied with Malaysia over MH370 saga

 

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/china-denies-being-angry-dissatisfied-with-malaysia-over-mh370-saga

 

China defends Najib’s flight MH370 ‘ended in Indian Ocean’ statement

 

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/china-defends-najibs-flight-mh370-ended-in-indian-ocean-statement

 

MH370: Media in China to blame for emotions running high

 

http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/mh370-media-china-blame-emotions-running-high

[leon t 0]

seems acting minister of transport is getting "desperate" according to international media in which he threatened to sue journalists and media - and also yesterday he questioned Boeing and RR on their part. Believed he should now be more tactful and cool under the circumstances and not come out with such statements - especially as a minister here.

[Isaac 0]

"Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived" - Malaysia Airlines

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysia-airlines-families-none-those-board-survived-n60446

 

 

They have left us too soon, but they will never been forgotten. They will forever remain in our thoughts and prayers. - Malaysia Airlines

 

https://www.facebook.com/my.malaysiaairlines/photos/a.370736093039590.1073741828.349961378450395/523507001095831/?type=1&relevant_count=1

 

 

"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean. - PM Najib

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-text-malaysia-pm-najibs-announcement-ful

Edited April 3, 2014 by Isaac

[BC Tam 2]

"assume beyond any reasonable doubt"

 

gotta twist imagination round a bit to accomodate new understanding of the term 'assume'

[JuliusWong 0]

Next tome when we watch PC, we need an Oxford dictionary with us.......Pfft!!

[Cire 0]

Next tome when we watch PC, we need an Oxford dictionary with us.......Pfft!!

 

I think we need a translator of the similar clique with the PC team who would understand what it supposed to mean, especially in reading between the lines, and the objectively open-ended statements.

I know there's no cost limit set (at the moment) in the search operations, however sooner or later the volunteers would have to put a threshold line where it will no longer be able to provide that services anymore without assistance of finance to run it.

 

News' portal reported...

 

(Reuters) - The U.S. military has spent more than $3.3 million on the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and has put in place plans that nearly double the original $4 million available for the hunt, a Pentagon spokesman said on Wednesday.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/02/malaysia-airlines-usa-costs-idUSL1N0MU1HI20140402

 

In my opinion, when the pinging from the black box ends, so will the large scaled search operations. It will be scaled down, and parties with great interest in finding the plane will have to foot the huge bills associated with it.

The search is going to be a long haul operation.

[Naim 6]

...

The search is going to be a long haul operation.

And maybe in 2mths time, ppl living along the coastline of eastern Africa would find interesting stuff on their beaches.

[S V Choong 4]

 

I think we need a translator of the similar clique with the PC team who would understand what it supposed to mean, especially in reading between the lines, and the objectively open-ended statements.

 

In my opinion, when the pinging from the black box ends, so will the large scaled search operations. It will be scaled down, and parties with great interest in finding the plane will have to foot the huge bills associated with it.

The search is going to be a long haul operation.

 

I am with you on this one, when the month is up, so does the operation. It will probably scaled back quite substantially and leaving this incident as an unsolved mystery.

 

There is no way Australia will spend money on searching the aircraft. Our tax money is better used elsewhere.

Edited April 3, 2014 by S V Choong