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AirAsia Purchased 100 Airbus A321neo at Farnborough Airshow 2016


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#21 Walter Sim

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 12:51 AM

There for Farnborough. 9M-AJA on the way there via BAH. Heard best low cost airline for the 8th year

#22 alberttky

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 09:40 AM

I would imagine swapping aircraft would only be done if the load factor does not justify using the A321. 

 

Swapping an aircraft is also very possible when the A321 go tech and the only spare aircraft available is an A320.  Seen too many of such cases in SQ.



#23 Chris Tan

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 09:58 AM

Swapping an aircraft is also very possible when the A321 go tech and the only spare aircraft available is an A320.  Seen too many of such cases in SQ.

SQ has A320s?

#24 JuliusWong

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 10:14 AM

SQ has A320s?

I think Albert is referring to SQ swapping flight equipment using MI's A320. 

 

 

Last month TF was hinting AirAsia is looking at A321 although no commitment yet, http://www.nst.com.m...yes-airbus-a321

 

Perhaps JL can drop his pants once again to get TF team to sign the dotted lines......


Edited by JuliusWong, 12 July 2016 - 10:14 AM.


#25 flee

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 05:40 PM

Perhaps JL can drop his pants once again to get TF team to sign the dotted lines......

I think they will only sign if Airbus gives them a good deal. So if the orders don't come in from the others as expected, Airbus might give them a good deal.

 

I think an announcement later in the week is more likely, if they do strike a deal.



#26 alberttky

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 06:17 PM

I think Albert is referring to SQ swapping flight equipment using MI's A320. 

 

 

No I mean SQ swaps plane from 773 to 772, and previously with 3 different configs within their 772, SQ, SR and SV.  Passengers were upgraded, downgraded, as well as offloaded.



#27 flee

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 06:29 PM

From our observations at KLIA, airlines upgrade or downgrade all the time.

 

E.g. EVA Air can send the A332 one day and A321 the next. KLM also sometimes downgrades to B772 (instead of B77W) during times of lower traffic.



#28 Chris Tan

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 07:10 PM

From our observations at KLIA, airlines upgrade or downgrade all the time.
 
E.g. EVA Air can send the A332 one day and A321 the next. KLM also sometimes downgrades to B772 (instead of B77W) during times of lower traffic.

From my observation of your post, you seem to be referring to scheduled changes in aircraft deployment, not last minute swaps as the others are talking about.

E.g. EVA scheduling different aircraft on different days is not the same as AA swapping from an A321 to an A320 at the last minute.

#29 Suzanne Goh

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 07:20 PM

From our observations at KLIA, airlines upgrade or downgrade all the time.
 
E.g. EVA Air can send the A332 one day and A321 the next. KLM also sometimes downgrades to B772 (instead of B77W) during times of lower traffic.


The KL809/810 and BR227/228 conundrum you mention isn't random substitutions. They're all scheduled.

#30 Waiping

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 08:34 PM

How much difference can we expect from upgrade/downgrade between A320 and A321? It's not like swapping an A330 with A320 which, at the moment, AK is doing pretty well by informing the customer at least a few days before, and with the option to change the itinerary at no extra cost.

#31 flee

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 11:01 PM

How much difference can we expect from upgrade/downgrade between A320 and A321? It's not like swapping an A330 with A320 which, at the moment, AK is doing pretty well by informing the customer at least a few days before, and with the option to change the itinerary at no extra cost.

 

 

Order confirmed. Seating will be same as on the A320 - single class and super high density:

 

 

The contract marks the first order placed by AirAsia for the largest model in the best-selling A320 Family. Seating up to 240 passengers in a single class layout, the A321neo will enable the airline to increase capacity while benefitting from the lowest operating costs in the single aisle category. 


http://www.malaysian...=20783&p=365028



#32 JuliusWong

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 11:09 PM

air-asia-arrival---fia-2016-02-048.2016-AirAsia A320-214 9M-AJA on display at 2016 FIA



#33 JingKai Seah

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 02:41 AM

AirAsia ordered 100 A321NEO

 



#34 Adrian M

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 03:06 AM

AirAsia NEOs will features Spaceflex cabin design. FAs will hate the half sized galley at the rear.


Edited by Adrian M, 13 July 2016 - 03:12 AM.


#35 JuliusWong

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 06:26 AM

Moving forward Space Flex will become pretty much standard for a lot of airlines except FSC since they are all deploy on short to mid haul routes. More cookies and buns, no more hot meals.

#36 Amirul Mazlan

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 07:29 AM

Can sense there will be some conversions from 320 and 320neo to 321neo. Cant be all new 100 321neo order isnt it?

#37 JuliusWong

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 07:48 AM

Keynote from the press conference:

  1. 100 A321neo firm order + 100 options*
  2. Seating 236, all Y, deleting LR and R2 exit as with Wizz Air
  3. Adopted Space Flex layout
  4. 9M-AJA which is now displayed at FIA has the new Mirus seat installed.
  5. The new order will push AirAsia A320neo family firm order to 400.
  6. TF stated some are used for replacing earlier ageing A320, and some for growth. 
  7. To be powered by CFM Leap engines

Some older and newly delivered aircraft will go to AirAsia leasing arm Asia Aviation Capital Ltd. Asia Aviation Capital Ltd recently received an buyout offer for USD1 billion.

 

TF press conference is always entertaining. That was very kind of TF to acknowledge his senior management team members, especially the Chief Engineer (Ahmad Tajuddin aka Anaz) who is battling cancer.

 

*For some reason, Airbus did not mention about the 100 options in their press release, however TF mentioned this in the press conference.


Edited by JuliusWong, 13 July 2016 - 08:04 AM.


#38 JuliusWong

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 08:03 AM

Can sense there will be some conversions from 320 and 320neo to 321neo. Cant be all new 100 321neo order isnt it?

Not exactly sure on this, but this order is specifically for A321neo. I guess AirAsia Group has included contractual clauses & rights that allow them to switch between both versions (ceo to neo and A320 to A321) easily.

 

The order placed in June 2011 was for 200 A320neo firm order; then in December 2012 additional 64 A320neo and 36 A320ceo (both firm order).  

 

Thus, neo firm order will be: A320neo- 264; A321neo-100

 

Overall,  AirAsia has placed 575 single aisle aircraft order from Airbus, comprising 264 A320neo, 211 A320ceo and 100 A321neo.


Edited by JuliusWong, 13 July 2016 - 08:06 AM.


#39 flee

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 08:46 AM

Airasia has converted all undelivered ceo's to neo's. So all future deliveries will be neo's. I believe Airbus is flexible on the the mix of A320s and A321s and it is possible to switch between the two.

 

Airbus orders and deliveries spreadsheet:

http://www.airbus.co...1[docID]=109137



#40 JuliusWong

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 09:02 AM

Airasia has converted all undelivered ceo's to neo's. So all future deliveries will be neo's. I believe Airbus is flexible on the the mix of A320s and A321s and it is possible to switch between the two.

 

Airbus orders and deliveries spreadsheet:

http://www.airbus.co...1[docID]=109137

Thank you for the correction flee. The 36 A320ceo order placed in Dec 2012 are now all neo.

 

171 A320ceo (all delivered), 304 A320neo, 100 A321neo= 575 firm order. The number tallied with what TF said.






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