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Air Asia in talks for more A320's

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Look at your AK passenger traffic trend for last one year HERE.

[June '07 number not yet out - late by almost 1 month now.]

 

2006

Jul 605455

Aug 700234

Sep 638932

Oct 659646

Nov 736376

Dec 877386

 

2007

Jan 712425

Feb 685325

Mar 762610

Apr 736795

May 787785

 

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June 2007 number now out: 834973

 

But then June is school holidays period (my kids flew home with AK, I took AK to BKK, TWU and LGK in June), so maybe not that impressive. Let's see if this upward trend can be sustained in following months.

 

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At the delivery ceremony for AirAsia's 100th Airbus A320, TF mentioned that they may need more planes due to faster than expected expansion. See story here: http://www.btmagazine.nl/?p=7580

 

It is always good to have no delivery gaps - the main reason why AirAsia is facing a shortage now is due to them postponing deliveries earlier - KLIA2 is not ready yet. But with AirAsia Philippines and Japan taking off this year, those planes would have come in handy had they not been postponed!

 

I think 50 additional planes (as mentioned in the article), might be conservative. There is a good possibility that the A320NEO may be late.So placing and order now would be good timing to ensure more planes are delivered right up to the introduction of the A320NEO. By then AirAsia's early aircraft, e.g. 9M-AFx series, will be close to 10 years old and would be ripe for retirement as they would have built up high cycles.

 

Ordering A320s with sharklets will also ensure that the new planes are more fuel efficient than current ones. AirAsia may also wish to consider using A321s on their high traffic/load factor routes to further reduce their CASK.

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SEPANG, June 13 (Bernama) -- Low-cost airline, AirAsia Bhd, will sign five more joint-venture agreements with regional airlines within the next two years to expand its business in the region.

 

Chief executive officer, Tan Sri Tony Fernandes, said the move was in line with AirAsia's ambition to become the leader in the industry.

 

"The enormous potential in an underserved market of three billion people spread across Asean, North-East Asia and South Asia offers huge opportunity and AirAsia is ideally positioned to reap huge dividends by serving this market," he said after announcing the set-up the airline's Asean office in Jakarta here Wednesday.

 

AirAsia had signed a joint venture agreement with Japan's All Nippon Airways to form AirAsia Japan, which is expected have its first flight in August.

 

In line with the company's expansion strategy, he said, the airline was also considering placing an additional order for 50 planes to its existing order of 75 planes, scheduled to be delivered by 2016.

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AirAsia makes Jakarta its regional base

 

BY BILQIS BAHARI

Published: 2012/06/14

 

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AIRASIA Bhd has made Jakarta its regional base, a move that means

 

lesser role for its heaquarters in Kuala Lumpur.

 

It also ends weeks of speculation that the low-cost airline’s

headquarters would move from Sepang in the wake of a failed share swap deal between AirAsia and Malaysian Airlines.

 

AirAsia yesterday said the Jakarta base, called AirAsia Asean, is to bolster its operations in Asean and regions nearby.AirAsia chief executive officer (CEO) Tan Sri Tony Fernandes said AirAsia Asean will serve as its nerve centre to tap into “underserved market of some three billion people” in Asean, Northeast Asia and South Asia.

 

“To avoid any misinterpretation, let me be very clear: AirAsia Malaysia’s headquarters isnot moving to Jakarta.

 

“AirAsia Malaysia is a Malaysian-registered airline, with all its aircraft registered under the Malaysian flag and it is a company listed on Bursa Malaysia.

 

That will not change,” he said at a press conference on AirAsia Asean here yesterday.

 

The move will allow senior AirAsia managers to work in a neutral

environment free of the day-to-day pressures in its headquarters, he added.

 

AirAsia is currently in the process of restructuring its management to accommodate the shift in emphasis on its future

growth plans.

 

Fernandes said it will announce key personnel to run the regional structure as well as new AirAsia Malaysia CEO on Monday

(June 18).

 

Business Times reported last week, quoting Fernandes, that the new CEO will manage the operations in Malaysia, while he will be overseeing all AirAsia operations in Malaysia, the Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia and Japan.

 

"Invariably, when you are running AirAsia Malaysia and the regional office your time is more spent on the Malaysian operation.

 

"So what we are trying to do is get a group of people that focuses across all the countries," he said.

 

Fernandes said AirAsia Asean will also help it engage closely with the Asean secretariat which is also based in Jakarta.

 

"AirAsia Asean will help us ensure that our voice, our concerns and our appeals are heard much more clearly in the corridors of power within Asean."

 

It will also help raise the profile and branding of AirAsia Indonesia, which is heading for a listing on the Jakarta Stock Exchange by year-end, he added.

 

"Indonesia is our big opportunity, along with the Philippines and Japan... it's a country of 250 million while we only have 17 planes in there while in Malaysia we have 55 planes with a population of 24 million," he said.

 

Meanwhile, AirAsia plans to have five new joint ventures over the next two years, Fernandes said, adding that there is huge potential for growth in South Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, India and China.

 

 

Read more: AirAsia makes Jakarta its regional base http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/turns/Article/index_html#ixzz1xid3ouxz

 

 

 

 

Hmmmm.... Tony fernandes is found to be lying yet again!

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Bombardier swoops on AirAsia at Silverstone summit

 

 

Canada's Bombardier (BBDb.TO) is in talks with AirAsia (AIRA.KL) about a more densely packed 160-seat version of its CSeries jet, in a surprise bid to loosen the stranglehold on Asia's largest low-cost carrier held by European giant Airbus (EAD.PA).

 

AirAsia founder and Formula One boss Tony Fernandes discussed the proposal with Bombardier's chief executive Pierre Beaudoin during preparations for Sunday's British Grand Prix at Silverstone, the two company leaders told Reuters on the eve of the Farnborough Airshow.

 

"We've got Pierre Beaudoin as a guest of mine. He's brought us a very interesting product for a 160-seat Bombardier and we're looking at that," Fernandes said.

 

 

Bombardier wants to break into the lower end of the jet market dominated by Airbus and Boeing (BA.N) but has so far concentrated on appetite for aircraft up to 130 seats. The 160-seater would be a denser configuration of its CS300 aircraft.

 

Asked how optimistic he was of breaking a record run of Airbus orders by Fernandes, Beaudoin told Reuters, "He had no choice before, but now he has a better product to look at."

 

 

But, speaking to Reuters in his Caterham team motorhome in the rainy Silverstone paddock,

Fernandes said talks were also continuing with Airbus over the purchase of at least 50 more A320 jets as the two sporting and aerospace events overlap.

 

"Whether we can finalize it by Farnborough I'm not sure because there's quite a lot to be done. Airbus is coming to see me…. The clock's against them to try... and I've got to get board approval," Fernandes said.

 

 

The potential new $4 billion Airbus order, first reported by Reuters in May, concerns the current edition of the 150-seat A320. AirAsia is interested in more of the jets as it waits for the more efficient A320neo which is being developed for 2015. It placed a record 200-jet order for these last year.

Asked about the deal's volume, Fernandes said, "I still think we need 100. But we'd probably do 50 and 50 options."

 

 

AirAsia is not talking to Boeing (BA.N), he added.

 

Airbus declined to comment.

 

 

'WE ARE NOT BAIT'

Fernandes entered Formula One in 2010 as principal of Lotus Racing, a team that has twice changed its name and now races as Caterham - the niche British-based sportscar maker Fernandes purchased after falling out with Lotus Group.

 

 

The racetrack summit between Fernandes and Beaudoin suggests Bombardier is still nipping at the heels of the two largest planemakers, despite failing so far to make significant inroads into their core single-aisle markets.

 

Its efforts to snag one of Airbus's most important clients come as the European planemaker is itself locked in a deepening market share battle with Boeing.

 

 

Airbus moved swiftly to dismiss the Bombardier threat.

 

"I do not see how a CSeries aircraft would economically fit into the AirAsia fleet," sales chief John Leahy told Reuters.

 

 

Fernandes would not say whether any deals could be completed at Farnborough but said he would visit the July 9-15 event to pick up an airline award and announce a components deal.

 

AirAsia targets growth in Indonesia and particularly Japan.

 

 

Bombardier dismissed any suggestions that AirAsia, one of Airbus's largest customers, was using the CSeries or the timing of the sports and aerospace calendars to lower the Airbus price.

 

"We are not concerned about being used as bait - on the contrary, we are being seen as a lower risk alternative to the A320 family," Benjamin Boehm, vice president of Bombardier Commercial Aircraft, said in a telephone interview.

 

 

The 160-seat proposal brings Bombardier into the middle of a market well defended by Airbus and Boeing, but the Canadian firm continues to see 130 as the sweet spot for its new aircraft.

 

"We compete with the A319. So it's a shorter version of the A320 and this is where we have a real competitive advantage," Beaudoin said.

 

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/08/us-airshow-bombardier-airasia-idUSBRE86706D20120708

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Wouldn't the A321 be more suitable for Indonesia and Japan?

 

AirAsia needs bigger, rather than smaller aircraft for these markets. Indonesia's Lion Air already uses B739s and domestic Japanese carriers use wide bodies. AirAsia Japan was also mentioning Trans-Pacific routes - that might mean the A330/A350 is on the cards too.

 

So this may just be a red herring...

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FARNBOROUGH: AirAsia boss confirms talks for 100 CSeries CS300

 

AirAsia boss Tony Fernandes has confirmed that he is in preliminary talks to buy up to 100 Bombardier CSeries CS300 jets in a 160-seat configuration.

 

"We are taking this very seriously. It is an impressive aircraft and we have good feeling about it. The crew and engineers are very happy about it as well," he said after a tour of the CSeries cabin mock-up, on which the Canadian airframer electronically projected the AirAsia logo specially for the visit.

 

"The advantage is that the CSeries can get into a lot of airports to which we currently do not have access. And there is the price, and this looks like it could be a very affordable aircraft. We are a very big Airbus customer and so this is a very big decision."

He adds that these aircraft would supplement the low-cost airline fleet of Airbus A320s. The 200 A320 neo it has ordered will replace its existing fleet from 2016, but the CSeries could come in from 2016 as well, says Fernandes.

 

With the CS300 due to be delivered to its first customer in 2014, a year after its smaller variant the CS100, the development of the aircraft and the date of its actual entry into service will be crucial to AirAsia's decision, he adds.

 

Even more importantly, Bombardier have to prove that the operating cost of the aircraft will "make sense" for the airline, says Fernandes.

 

"We live and die by cost and that will be crucial, but we also hope that Pratt & Whitney, who are supplying the engines, will be as enthusiastic as Bombardier about this aircraft," he says.

 

It is still not clear if Bombardier will be able to squeeze 160 passengers into the CS300, with the company displaying a slim seat with a 28 inch pitch in the cabin mock-up. This could get up to 150 passengers, although that could change.

 

"This is a clean sheet design, and we will always be willing to go with the suppliers that the customers choose and reconfigure the cabin according to what they want," says Mike Arcamone, president of Bombardier Commercial Aircraft.

 

Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/farnborough-airasia-boss-confirms-talks-for-100-cseries-cs300-374312/

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If AirAsia proceeds with the purchase, it will be a turning point for CSeries program. I wonder if John Leahy is calling Tony now to order A319........

Edited by JuliusWong

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The A319neo (this is the comparable model) will not be available till after the A320neo is officially available. Besides I think the seat costs will not be as good as the C series as it should be a heavier aircraft.

 

However, there are great doubts as to whether they can shoehorn 160 seats into the CS300. Not sure if it will feel claustrophobic as the C series fuselage is narrower.

 

This TF could be using Bombardier as a bargaining chip with Airbus, since they still have not cut the deal for more A320s with them yet. Bombardier has nothing to lose to be associated to this talk - C series sales failed to take off again this time at Farnborough!

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..... I wonder if John Leahy is calling Tony now to order A319........

 

This TF could be using Bombardier as a bargaining chip with Airbus, .....

 

My bet is on this Leahy guy being too seasoned to get drawn into this level of mind games :)

But then stranger things have happened ..... :D

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JL also knows that TF dreams the impossible, and that he dares to dream.... That is why he managed to sign Park Ji Sung for QPR from Man Utd.

 

So if JL ignores these mind games, he ignores it at his own peril.

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..... TF dreams the impossible, and that he dares to dream.... That is why he managed to sign Park Ji Sung for QPR from Man Utd.

Good on him, but let's put things in proper perspective - Sir Fergie wasn't exactly fighting tooth and nail to retain services of PJS either :D

Talking of which, wonder how the new signings are doing on the pitch about a km from where I'm sitting now :)

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TF is getting himself a Global Challenger ....... wonder if there is anything connection with the sudden interest in the Cseries? hehehe let the speculation begin!

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TF is getting himself a Global Challenger ....... wonder if there is anything connection with the sudden interest in the Cseries? hehehe let the speculation begin!

 

Sorry Alan, it's either a Global, or a Challenger. Which one is it as I don't recall Bombardier makes a "Global Challenger". :pardon:

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he is getting either one....my source wasn't sure

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TF is getting himself a Global Challenger ....... wonder if there is anything connection with the sudden interest in the Cseries? hehehe let the speculation begin!

 

Wonder why he didn't get himself an Airbus Corporate Jet? Surely Airbus' best customer can get a discount!

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Just to confirm, he owns one as for now. Rego & type still unknown, but was seen in KUL last week bearing a C- rego.

Edited by Sri Ramani K.

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I understand the plane will not be based in Malaysia but in Jakarta.

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Sorry Alan, it's either a Global, or a Challenger. Which one is it as I don't recall Bombardier makes a "Global Challenger". :pardon:

Well if he is using it for his intra ASEAN commutes, Challenger should do the job. But if he also wants to cover Japan, China, North Asia, & UK non stop, he will need the Global...

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I understand the plane will not be based in Malaysia but in Jakarta.

 

Halim?

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