yeadrian 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2008 (edited) wah, Simon reading your continuing posts on what you saw is very "suspense" la....... slowly, one post by one post..... at the back of my mind, I thought it was some spooky stuff....... when i am back in kl, I will try to endavour to join in the spotting, tapi malu la.... you all arm with bmw / mercedes type of camera...... then I bring out my compact kapchai ixus...... !!! May I ask who can I pm to ask to join in the spotting ?? Edited August 18, 2008 by yeadrian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 3 Report post Posted August 19, 2008 (edited) wah, Simon reading your continuing posts on what you saw is very "suspense" la....... slowly, one post by one post..... at the back of my mind, I thought it was some spooky stuff....... when i am back in kl, I will try to endavour to join in the spotting, tapi malu la.... you all arm with bmw / mercedes type of camera...... then I bring out my compact kapchai ixus...... !!! May I ask who can I pm to ask to join in the spotting ?? But it was really shocking when 2 dogs and men armed with parang just appeared beside you. Don't worry about your camera, just come join us and have fun. Edited August 19, 2008 by Simon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yeadrian 0 Report post Posted August 19, 2008 precisely, I thought it was some spooky sightings,turn out to be scarier with 2 armed men and dogs... arrgh!!! can have inidication as to normally what time and when do you guys go spotting ? But it was really shocking when 2 dogs and men armed with parang just appeared beside you. Don't worry about your camera, just come join us and have fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 3 Report post Posted August 19, 2008 precisely, I thought it was some spooky sightings,turn out to be scarier with 2 armed men and dogs... arrgh!!! can have inidication as to normally what time and when do you guys go spotting ? Well, it can be as early as 7am I think i'll be heading there this Saturday/Sunday....to be finalised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kandiah k 0 Report post Posted August 19, 2008 Anyone going plane spotting today ? Heard BR is sending their B77W today arriving at 1415. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ignatius 4 Report post Posted August 19, 2008 Well, it can be as early as 7am I think i'll be heading there this Saturday/Sunday....to be finalised. I hope somebody isnt being missed out, or another Silver bullet Dejavu incident is going to happen hahhaha.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chaity 1 Report post Posted August 19, 2008 Anyone going plane spotting today ? Heard BR is sending their B77W today arriving at 1415. No spotting for me today. Someone in KUL, go get BR 77W. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted August 24, 2008 Terrible weather at KLIA............................. :( I missed the sunlight, and also Imran, Baim and Razmyn.. ARrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibrahim 0 Report post Posted August 24, 2008 datang laa awal len kali i can't tahan laaa mengantuk more than 24hour awake. so you guyz at Ladang lahh~!!! nice catch of Hotel Norman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louis L. 2 Report post Posted August 24, 2008 (edited) :sorry: , i posted at wrong thread , moved it to the correct thread alrdy , sorry mod , please delete this post , thanks alot ....... Edited August 24, 2008 by Louis L. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted August 24, 2008 woahhhhh... super poisonous!!! BLINK BLINK! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibrahim 0 Report post Posted August 24, 2008 :sorry: , i posted at wrong thread , moved it to the correct thread alrdy , sorry mod , please delete this post , thanks alot ....... Landing on wrong Rwy ka Kawan~??? :rofl: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashmil Abd Ghani 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2008 Hai to MW spotters geng.. Any good plan to spotting during Merdaka day (pre-Ramadhan day also)..hehehehe.. Any good location..14R,14L or 32R..I planning heading towards KLIA..Hopefully... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 3 Report post Posted August 27, 2008 Just dig this 1 out : Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 3 Report post Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) Merdeka spotting CX vs AK, playing catching too close to each other on approach Aboarded landing Edited August 31, 2008 by Simon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desmond C 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2008 Wow. Interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibrahim 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2008 Wow. Interesting it Go around above us.. sound of roaring T7 is so syiok~!!! Thai T7 at 7pm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chee Yong 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2008 (edited) Nice drama on that aboarded landing. I never see this before. Good share. Edited September 1, 2008 by Chee Yong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted September 1, 2008 CX vs AK, playing catching too close to each other on approach Isn't it the task of ATC to line-up the aircraft with enough separation ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 3 Report post Posted September 2, 2008 Maybe there were something going on....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norman 1 Report post Posted September 2, 2008 Isn't it the task of ATC to line-up the aircraft with enough separation ? Maybe there were something going on....... Anything could've happened; i) Insufficient separation (ATC miscalculated) ii) Insufficient separation at the last moment... (maybe initially well separated) due to differing approach speeds to ATC's requests?? iii) No. 1 a/c overshot hi-speed exit taxiway, have to take the next one... (where did AK exited?) iv) Other factors that make No. 2 comes close to runway while No. 1 still on active... ...thus the go-around... my "non-aviator" opinion... BTW... Simon's pix of the two aircraft was shot at 260mm focal length (tele length). That'll will give the illusion of CX closer to AK than actually was.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 3 Report post Posted September 2, 2008 Anything could've happened; i) Insufficient separation (ATC miscalculated) ii) Insufficient separation at the last moment... (maybe initially well separated) due to differing approach speeds to ATC's requests?? iii) No. 1 a/c overshot hi-speed exit taxiway, have to take the next one... (where did AK exited?) iv) Other factors that make No. 2 comes close to runway while No. 1 still on active... ...thus the go-around... Great opinion there Norman my "non-aviator" opinion... BTW... Simon's pix of the two aircraft was shot at 260mm focal length (tele length). That'll will give the illusion of CX closer to AK than actually was.... Haha....but i have never seen this close approach between 2 aircrafts with my naked eye before Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radzi 2 Report post Posted September 2, 2008 My guess: AK slowed down to final approach speed too early, and CX didn't slow down appropriately, keeping up to regular speed schedule. When they realized they're closing too fast, it was too late. From about 10 miles to touchdown (Dengkil rest area!) there is not much the ATC can do too keep the separation except maybe asking the 2nd aircraft to slow down further. This is a situation where monitoring the TCAS and arresting the closure rate is crucial for the 2nd aircraft. Last resort, ATC will tell 2nd aircraft for a go-around, or the pilots may elect to do so if they think it is too close. Heck, I did cause an aircraft behind to go around once in KIX when I was on the B742. I slowed down too early. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 3 Report post Posted September 2, 2008 Will the pilot get a warning/advise for such action? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavin Andrew David 6 Report post Posted September 2, 2008 If you adhere to ATC speed restrictions and any speed restrictions on the letdown chart , there shouldn't be a problem , just the ' airmanship ' issue . But in my opinion , there's nothing with going around in KL , you don't have to join a large stack again , compared to the likes of JFK and etc . As per the letdown chart requirements , maintain 160kts until 4nm from touchdown .. Its either the cx had a pretty good high speed descent and couldn't manage to slowdown to make space for the AK ahead of him , or he was just very heavy and needed to maintain high speed . Either way , two safe landings . Cheers ! Sidenote : Simon , your Qatar looks interesting , alot of D-Lighting ? Shadows + Highlights ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
