KK Lee 5 Report post Posted July 25, 2019 Boeing warns it may stop 737 Max production from: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49108807 Could things be about to go pop ?! Likely a threat on job loss, pressure on governments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Sing 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2019 Boeing warns it may stop 737 Max production from: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49108807 Could things be about to go pop ?! stop production because of stock pile up due to unable to deliver only. some stance to threaten the government over economics impact. to pressure for release the grounding of 737max. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) As U.S. government test pilots ran through dozens of flight scenarios on the Boeing Co. 737 Max in recent weeks, a potential failure got their attention. The planes flight computer tried to push the aircrafts nose down repeatedly during a simulator run, prompted by a stream of erroneous flight data. The Federal Aviation Administration pilot concluded commercial pilots might not have time to react and avoid a tragedy in a real plane. That flaw -- the latest discovered on the family of jets involved in two fatal crashes since October triggered by a different failure that pushed their noses down -- was revealed by FAA last month. It threw new uncertainty on the return to flight of the Chicago-based companys best-selling model and sent its engineers scrambling for a fix. However, the newly discovered problem wasnt triggered by MCAS, said one of the people. It was prompted instead by multiple erroneous data streams in a flight computer that occurred simultaneously, the person said. It was simulated in tests even though it has never been documented to have occurred during flight, the people said. Anticipating every possible outcome of even the most unlikely failures is part of how safety assessments are conducted during certification. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-27/latest-737-max-fault-that-alarmed-test-pilots-rooted-in-software?srnd=premium-asia fly by wire may be is the solution to mitigate all these issues. Edited July 27, 2019 by KK Lee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2019 Wow, so scary. Ive seen a few MAX-8s parked in Dublin airport (Norwegian) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted July 28, 2019 The Roots of Boeing’s 737 Max Crisis: A Regulator Relaxes Its Oversight SEATTLE — In the days after the first crash of Boeing’s 737 Max, engineers at the Federal Aviation Administration came to a troubling realization: They didn’t fully understand the automated system that helped send the plane into a nose-dive, killing everyone on board. Engineers at the agency scoured their files for information about the system designed to help avoid stalls. They didn’t find much. Regulators had never independently assessed the risks of the dangerous software known as MCAS when they approved the plane in 2017. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/business/boeing-737-max-faa.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted September 21, 2019 So the numbers of built up but undeliverable 737 Max's continue to mount Very interested to understand legalities of process - are the customers obligated already to accept deliveries of completed airframes and hence who is responsible for the storage costs of all these very expensive but currently unproductive pieces of equipment ? Down the road, when all these 737 Max's are eventually cleared safe to fly (assumption within notwithstanding) can we then expect a sudden big spike in available capacity in the overall airlines' inventory thereof ? With (presumably) subsequent depression of yields ? Possibly to nudge one or more of the borderline cases now over the edge into oblivion ..... ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted September 22, 2019 So the numbers of built up but undeliverable 737 Max's continue to mount Very interested to understand legalities of process - are the customers obligated already to accept deliveries of completed airframes and hence who is responsible for the storage costs of all these very expensive but currently unproductive pieces of equipment ? Down the road, when all these 737 Max's are eventually cleared safe to fly (assumption within notwithstanding) can we then expect a sudden big spike in available capacity in the overall airlines' inventory thereof ? With (presumably) subsequent depression of yields ? Possibly to nudge one or more of the borderline cases now over the edge into oblivion ..... ? Believe aircraft manufacturer is paid on progress of work. Hence, Boeing could keep producing. For delay in delivery, boeing is likely need to pay limited compensation to airlines. When 737 max is back to service mean many older aircrafts will go to storage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaymondT 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 From my limited understanding, manufacturers only get paid when they take deliveries of the planes.AFAIK, the cost of the 737 Max currently being completed and stored is on Boeing themselves. Boeing need to keep producing them as it is not easy to just totally stop production and to start it up again. There's supply chains, workers, tooling etc to be considered.This is only my understanding so someone with better insights is more than welcomed to correct me or add to this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted October 20, 2019 Boeing wants it to fly, but travelers fear the 737 MAX https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/boeing-wants-it-fly-travelers-fear-737-max-doc-1lj7tp2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rabloo 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2019 On 9/23/2019 at 10:08 PM, RaymondT said: From my limited understanding, manufacturers only get paid when they take deliveries of the planes. AFAIK, the cost of the 737 Max currently being completed and stored is on Boeing themselves. Boeing need to keep producing them as it is not easy to just totally stop production and to start it up again. There's supply chains, workers, tooling etc to be considered. This is only my understanding so someone with better insights is more than welcomed to correct me or add to this. They got paid advanced payments at set periods before the delivery i.e 48 months, 36 months, 24 months, 12 months, in total, typically around 20-30% of the aircraft price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted October 29, 2019 I don't suppose any of the Max 8 or Max 10 destined for MH would have made it to the production line yet ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted October 29, 2019 42 minutes ago, BC Tam said: I don't suppose any of the Max 8 or Max 10 destined for MH would have made it to the production line yet ? I think Boeing announced last week that some deliveries scheduled for 2020 will be delayed - MAB were expecting some 737-8s late next year and 737-10s in 2021. I don't think they are in production yet, even if based on the original delivery schedule. IIRC, Boeing did reduce their production rate from May this year and will only return to the previous production rates next year. I am also not sure if the order is now under review or if Boeing is offering incentives for their customers not to cancel their orders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pall 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2019 From insiders information, it seems MAB is deferring the MAX deliveries until further notice. Coupled with the fact of ownership change in the works, I don't think fleet renewal is their priority at the moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted October 30, 2019 Yes, I think MAB is in limbo right now and we have to wait till the govt. and Khazanah make their announcements next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites