Foreign Carriers and Malaysia

[KK Lee 5]

13 minutes ago, JuliusWong said:

Oh dear, not a country that airlines are very keen fly into. Security, safety and host of other issues. If one thinks PRC pax is hard to deal with, wait till you deal with Pakistani. There used to be many Asian-based airlines flying into Pakistan. CX used to fly there, it was a great relief for my friends (who are flying as cabin crew with CX) when the management announced they were cancelling the destination.

I think most airlines in Asia had dropped Pakistan post 9/11 and pre-covid era. Only TG now has active service into Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad. The others being China Southern Airlines (via CAN) and Air China (via PKX)

Many Pakistani arrive KUL on TG.

[JuliusWong 0]

8 minutes ago, KK Lee said:

Many Pakistani arrive KUL on TG.

Yes, the sole airline now actively into Pakistan now. MH used to fly twice weekly to Karachi, KUL-KHI-DXB, dropped in 2012 to stem losses.

[KK Lee 5]

On 9/4/2023 at 4:59 PM, Craig said:

Did I miss the memo that Malaysia is banning alcohol or are we talking about banning alcohol? Those 100 drinkers in your example are all still welcomed in Malaysia (and also duty free islands of Langkawi, Tioman, and Labuan where alcohol is cheap).

Funny you mention Chinese tourists visiting Japan. Guess all is forgiven with Fukushima now.

Alcohol in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, etc is cheaper than Langkawi, Tioman and Labuan. For tourists to return visit, they look at the total package/experience, value for money, etc.

Edited September 7, 2023 by KK Lee

[Craig 0]

9 hours ago, KK Lee said:

Alcohol in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, etc is cheaper than Langkawi, Tioman and Labuan. For tourists to return visit, they look at the total package/experience, value for money, etc.

Can you provide examples of those countries having cheaper alcohol than Malaysia duty free islands? And you can't just move the goal post all the time.

[JuliusWong 0]

10 hours ago, KK Lee said:

Alcohol in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines, etc is cheaper than Langkawi, Tioman and Labuan. For tourists to return visit, they look at the total package/experience, value for money, etc.

Malaysia is hit by many issues when it comes to tourism in Malaysia are:

1. The country is too spread out, too many states and each state has almost similar leisure activities, lack of distinction among 11 states and three wilayahs.
2. Refer to point #1, the geographical spread of Malaysia is too wide and there is lack of connectivity from mainland to islands, Peninsula vv Sabah/ Sarawak and within Sabah and Sarawak. Unlike Thailand, they have bigger population and tourist numbers, more airlines serving different parts of the country.
3. Inadequate with low quality infrastructure/ incapability of periodical maintenance/ Sub-par facilities - in the news recently.
4. Dirty, filthy environment -  Semporna, Jalan Alor, etc in the news recently. https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2023/08/944087/minister-stresses-immediate-measures-address-hygiene-and-pollution
5. Human capital incompetency - lack of manpower to meet the industry demands, local shuns the jobs, if there is any, most will run away after few days of working. Those with qualification prefers to work in Singapore, Thailand where the pay is better and more choices.
6. Lack of promotion - Haven't seen any Tourism Malaysia advertisement at any international media, traditional and social. Tourism Malaysia office overseas have all closed down.
7. High prices at main tourist draw. Mt K hiked their entry fee exponentially during its last round of price hike.
8. Yes, alcohol - Malaysia has one of the world's highest taxation for alcohol. 
9. Currency depreciation/ USD appreciation - You get more bang for spending in Thai baht, Vietnamese dong and Cambodia kip.

This article summarises nicely: https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/1/16/malaysia-tourism-recovery-lags-thailand-indonesia-vietnam

As a comparison, Thailand will be building phase 3 expansion (third terminal) for Don Mueang Int'l Airport. An airport that first started in 1914, currently running at 30 million annual pax capacity, the new phase will be operational by 2029, will add another 18 mil pax annually. At 48 mil annual pax, it will outrank KLIA easily. 

Vietnam is building a new airport for HCM, Long Thanh International Airport, capacity of 25 million passengers per year by 2025. Eventually goes up to  80-100 million passengers by 2035. 

Singapore Changi T5 will be operational by the mid-2030s, adding another 50mil annual pax capacity. Currently standing at 90mil annually.

Malaysia really needs to buckle up.

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by JuliusWong

[JuliusWong 0]

6 minutes ago, Craig said:

Can you provide examples of those countries having cheaper alcohol than Malaysia duty free islands? And you can't just move the goal post all the time.

The orang puteh that comes to Malaysia are not going to take flight to Langkawi just to enjoy a beer unless they plan their trip well. The lack of connectivity to those duty free or non-duty free islands and many parts of Malaysia is a major turn off turn off. There is no use going here just to drink and fly back or take a boat ride back to the mainland. Unless you finish your tour on KL/ Selangor, then you fly to Penang, from there you head to Langkawi for cheap beer. In between, you could have spend a bomb on the beers if you are a drinker.

Comparing city to city:

Cambodia:

Beer - Bar Prices (US$)

1. Angkor Beer: 0.50 – 1.50
2. Angkor Extra Stout:0.70 – 1.50
3. Klang Beer: 0.50 – 1.50
4. Bayon Beer: 0.50 – 1.50

Thailand:

Restaurants  - Malaysia   -  Thailand 

1. Domestic Beer (1 pint draught)    15.00RM 113.93฿    9.22RM 70.00฿
2. Imported Beer (12 oz small bottle)    20.00RM 151.91฿    15.14RM 115.00฿

[Craig 0]

1 hour ago, JuliusWong said:

Malaysia is hit by many issues when it comes to tourism in Malaysia are:

1. The country is too spread out, too many states and each state has almost similar leisure activities, lack of distinction among 11 states and three wilayahs.
2. High prices at main tourist draw. Mt K hiked their entry fee exponentially during its last round of price hike.
3. Yes, alcohol - Malaysia has one of the world's highest taxation for alcohol. 
4. Currency depreciation/ USD appreciation - You get more bang for spending in Thai baht, Vietnamese dong and Cambodia kip.

Bullet point renumbered when I removed some text.

1) Did we lose 2 more states along the way or the 14 stripes on our flag adopted in 1963 meant to represent the 11 states + 3 territories? 🤣

2) Sabah Parks is an anomaly in Malaysia. Whilst the entrance fees are high, I've been told that getting the climbing permit isn't easy and it's sold out in advance. So good for them if they can maintain high fees and still get visitors. Sabah generates a lot of income from tourism and they don't have a lot of other industries other than, oxymoronically, palm oil. Same goes for Sipadan - you need to spend 3 nights and, if you are lucky, you get the prized Sipadan day permit. I guess that's the leverage you have when you are one of the top diving sites in the world. Taman Negara on the other hand only charges RM1 entrance fees. Mulu National Park only charges foreigners RM30 for a 5-day pass.

3) I have never said alcohol is cheap in Malaysia - I said, expensive alcohol is not the primary issue.

4) If anything, MYR depreciation is great for tourism. 

1 hour ago, JuliusWong said:

The orang puteh that comes to Malaysia are not going to take flight to Langkawi just to enjoy a beer unless they plan their trip well. The lack of connectivity to those duty free or non-duty free islands and many parts of Malaysia is a major turn off turn off. There is no use going here just to drink and fly back or take a boat ride back to the mainland. Unless you finish your tour on KL/ Selangor, then you fly to Penang, from there you head to Langkawi for cheap beer. In between, you could have spend a bomb on the beers if you are a drinker.

You remember MH1 used to fly LHR-LGK/PEN-KUL and Tui used to fly UK (BHX/LGW)-LGK? There are nonstop flights (and plenty of them) from KUL and SZB plus other cities to LGK. 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Craig

[JuliusWong 0]

16 minutes ago, Craig said:

Bullet point renumbered when I removed some text.

1) Did we lose 2 states along the way? 🤣

2) Sabah Parks is an anomaly in Malaysia. Whilst the entrance fees are high, I've been told that getting the climbing permit isn't easy and it's sold out in advance. So good for them if they can maintain high fees and still get visitors. Sabah generates a lot of income from tourism and they don't have a lot of other industries other than, oxymoronically, palm oil. Same goes for Sipadan - you need to spend 3 nights and, if you are lucky, you get the prized Sipadan day permit. I guess that's the leverage you have when you are one of the top diving sites in the world. Taman Negara on the other hand only charges RM1 entrance fees. Mulu National Park only charges foreigners RM30 for a 5-day pass.

3) I have never said alcohol is cheap in Malaysia - I said, expensive alcohol is not the primary issue.

4) If anything, MYR depreciation is great for tourism. 

You remember MH1 used to fly LHR-LGK/PEN-KUL and Tui used to fly UK (BHX/LGW)-LGK? There are nonstop flights (and plenty of them) from KUL and SZB plus other cities to LGK.

1. Sabah and Sarawak are now regions, no longer states. (Link)
2. No, you never said alcohol is cheap in Malaysia, but you did ask where else alcohol is cheaper than duty free islands in Malaysia. I am responding accordingly to your qns.
3. MYR depreciation is not great for tourism in Malaysia when a lot of your operation cost/ expenses is in USD domination. And again refer to the point where tourists get more value if they spend in Thailand, Vietnam or Indonesia.

4. Quote

   You remember MH1 used to fly LHR-LGK/PEN-KUL and Tui used to fly UK (BHX/LGW)-LGK? There are nonstop flights (and plenty of them) from KUL and SZB plus other cities to LGK.

   The MH1 was cancelled in the end because it was mostly empty and was bleeding money. TUI flight was once off for winter season in Northern Hemisphere holiday season, not all year around operation. Langkawi is only connected by five other airports/ destinations: Johor Bahru, Kuala Lumpur–International, Kuala Lumpur– Subang, Penang and Singapore. I can hardly call it high connectivity tbh.

[Craig 0]

26 minutes ago, JuliusWong said:

1. Sabah and Sarawak are now regions, no longer states. (Link)
2. No, you never said alcohol is cheap in Malaysia, but you did ask where else alcohol is cheaper than duty free islands in Malaysia. I am responding accordingly to your qns.
3. MYR depreciation is not great for tourism in Malaysia when a lot of your operation cost/ expenses is in USD domination. And again refer to the point where tourists get more value if they spend in Thailand, Vietnam or Indonesia.

4. The MH1 was cancelled in the end because it was mostly empty and was bleeding money. TUI flight was once off for winter season in Northern Hemisphere holiday season, not all year around operation. Langkawi is only connected by five other airports/ destinations: Johor Bahru, Kuala Lumpur–International, Kuala Lumpur– Subang, Penang and Singapore. I can hardly call it high connectivity tbh.

1. Has this been gazetted? Because Sarawak and Sabah governments are still identifying themselves as Malaysian states.

2. You mentioned city to city - do you mean Kuah town and another beach town in Cambodia? Because when I last *lived* in Langkawi in 2020/21, a can of beer costs around RM3-4 (and that's at a restaurant, not from a supermarket).

3. You mean like how in Cambodia and Vietnam try to quote you in USD instead of local currency? 

4. And I said, there are a lot of flights from KUL and SZB. I didn't say it's highly connected. My emphasis was on KUL/SZB.

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[JuliusWong 0]

1 hour ago, Craig said:

1. Has this been gazetted? Because Sarawak and Sabah governments are still identifying themselves as Malaysian states.

2. You mentioned city to city - do you mean Kuah town and another beach town in Cambodia? Because when I last *lived* in Langkawi in 2020/21, a can of beer costs around RM3-4 (and that's at a restaurant, not from a supermarket).

3. You mean like how in Cambodia and Vietnam try to quote you in USD instead of local currency? 

4. And I said, there are a lot of flights from KUL and SZB. I didn't say it's highly connected. My emphasis was on KUL/SZB.

You are making strawman argument here, just like what you did always. Truthfully, it is waste of time making argument with you. 

Gazetted or otherwise, that's the direction the government is going. 

No, Cambodia Siem Reap, and Vietnam HCM and everywhere else you can use either local currency or USD. You are not obligated to pay in USD, if you are not aware. If you have not seen how cheap alcohol is in Cambodia, suggest you drop by a visit to Pub Street at Siem Reap, Cambodia. 

As I mentioned before, getting to Langkawi is definitely difficult because if I want quick access to fly from Sabah, Sarawak or Johor hopping over from backpacking in Singapore or even Thailand from Bangkok, there is no or lack of air connection to Langkawi. Your point of emphasizing on KUL or SZB is mooted.

[Craig 0]

23 minutes ago, JuliusWong said:

You are making strawman argument here, just like what you did always. Truthfully, it is waste of time making argument with you. 

Gazetted or otherwise, that's the direction the government is going. 

No, Cambodia Siem Reap, and Vietnam HCM and everywhere else you can use either local currency or USD. You are not obligated to pay in USD, if you are not aware. If you have not seen how cheap alcohol is in Cambodia, suggest you drop by a visit to Pub Street at Siem Reap, Cambodia. 

As I mentioned before, getting to Langkawi is definitely difficult because if I want quick access to fly from Sabah, Sarawak or Johor hopping over from backpacking in Singapore or even Thailand from Bangkok, there is no or lack of air connection to Langkawi. Your point of emphasizing on KUL or SZB is mooted.

But I was replying to KK Lee’s argument. I wasn’t the one making the straw man’s argument here. The whole premise was - tourists avoid Malaysia because alcohol is expensive. I said tourism malaysia has 99 problems. Expensive alcohol ain’t one. And the goal post kept moving. 
 

And I was saying, we used to have nonstop flights from the UK to a duty free island. But it wasn’t successful. Get the connection between a nonstop flight to a duty free island where alcohol is dirt cheap but yet it was unsuccessful? 
 

And please don’t listen blindly to whatever politicians say (Malaysia or otherwise). Changing the definition of states in Malaysia requires a constitutional amendment. Not something to be announced over a party general assembly and be done with. 

[JuliusWong 0]

3 minutes ago, Craig said:

But I was replying to KK Lee’s argument. I wasn’t the one making the straw man’s argument here. The whole premise was - tourists avoid Malaysia because alcohol is expensive. I said tourism malaysia has 99 problems. Expensive alcohol ain’t one. And the goal post kept moving. 
 

And I was saying, we used to have nonstop flights from the UK to a duty free island. But it wasn’t successful. Get the connection between a nonstop flight to a duty free island where alcohol is dirt cheap but yet it was unsuccessful? 
 

And please don’t listen blindly to whatever politicians say (Malaysia or otherwise). Changing the definition of states in Malaysia requires a constitutional amendment. Not something to be announced over a party general assembly and be done with. 

And I was responding to KK Lee's reply, not yours. Thanks but no thanks. Yours were asking abt:

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Can you provide examples of those countries having cheaper alcohol than Malaysia duty free islands? And you can't just move the goal post all the time.

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by JuliusWong

[Chris Tan 0]

2 hours ago, JuliusWong said:

You are making strawman argument here, just like what you did always. Truthfully, it is waste of time making argument with you. 

Gazetted or otherwise, that's the direction the government is going. 

No, Cambodia Siem Reap, and Vietnam HCM and everywhere else you can use either local currency or USD. You are not obligated to pay in USD, if you are not aware. If you have not seen how cheap alcohol is in Cambodia, suggest you drop by a visit to Pub Street at Siem Reap, Cambodia. 

As I mentioned before, getting to Langkawi is definitely difficult because if I want quick access to fly from Sabah, Sarawak or Johor hopping over from backpacking in Singapore or even Thailand from Bangkok, there is no or lack of air connection to Langkawi. Your point of emphasizing on KUL or SZB is mooted.

Airlines are better at identifying travel patterns than you seem to think. The nimble ones like AirAsia (to put it in a Malaysian context) are even better placed to respond to that demand, by create point-to-point routes where demand exists. It's no coincidence that AK serves LGK-SIN but not -DMK.

Then there's the approach of putting the cart before the horse, i.e. by creating/subsidising routes for the sake of stimulating demand. I'm certainly not opposed to that, but when experiments like LGK-DOH/LHR (some of the largest aviation global aviation hubs) failed, doesn't that tell you something about the limits of this approach?

And I don't really get why the price of booze is being harped on here, as if slashing prices would fill Langkawi's beaches. Singapore is hands down a more expensive place to drink (and eat, and shop, and stay). I don't see any shortage of tourists there, even with a strong currency.

2 hours ago, JuliusWong said:

And I was responding to KK Lee's reply, not yours. 

Is that why you've been directly quoting Craig's posts, even responding with unnecessarily personal remarks when your assertions were being challenged?

[Izanee 0]

Craig - absolutely right! Tourism Malaysia has 99 problems. 
Malaysian tourism promotion took a back seat during the najib era … especially in Europe and USA. Money was being lost in the billions due to corruption and to stem the tide, the first things to go were the offices of tourism Malaysia. They were resting on their laurels for far too long, hoping that china will come through for us! The lack of effort in Europe, USA, Australia was a huge mistake. 

even at our peak, Chinese tourists to Malaysia numbered 3 million, while Thailand was getting 10 million!! This is in addition to 1.5 million from Russia, 1 million ish from UK, Germany etc etc!

we were way ahead of Thailand in the 80s and 90s, and Thailand has overtaken us by far. The film ‘The beach’ in 2000s really impressed people world wide (IMHO) who flocked to Thailand for the beaches, pleasure, sun, food… 

meanwhile, in Malaysia, western studios just avoided filming due to the strict regulation and red tape! We missed a trick here. 
 

so many missed chances and missed opportunities. Our country could have been so much more. Shame

 

[jahur 0]

4 hours ago, Izanee said:

Craig - absolutely right! Tourism Malaysia has 99 problems. 
Malaysian tourism promotion took a back seat during the najib era … especially in Europe and USA. Money was being lost in the billions due to corruption and to stem the tide, the first things to go were the offices of tourism Malaysia. They were resting on their laurels for far too long, hoping that china will come through for us! The lack of effort in Europe, USA, Australia was a huge mistake. 

even at our peak, Chinese tourists to Malaysia numbered 3 million, while Thailand was getting 10 million!! This is in addition to 1.5 million from Russia, 1 million ish from UK, Germany etc etc!

we were way ahead of Thailand in the 80s and 90s, and Thailand has overtaken us by far. The film ‘The beach’ in 2000s really impressed people world wide (IMHO) who flocked to Thailand for the beaches, pleasure, sun, food… 

meanwhile, in Malaysia, western studios just avoided filming due to the strict regulation and red tape! We missed a trick here. 
 

so many missed chances and missed opportunities. Our country could have been so much more. Shame

 

Gov too afraid to tinker up a bit with opening. A simple belly dance or stress crazed dance in IPTA grounds have already irked the local green wave that has been pushed to be more vocal by their local respective ulama's. Striving to avoid being too excessively conservative and excessively liberal seems to be on none of the politicians agenda. This "malaysia is only catered to family friendly" oriented tourism is not gonna last long term unless a replacement(mass manufacturing export, agriculture export plus food security, corporatism)  is called in for the potential loss of neglecting other tourism segment and severely little to no marketing.

[JuliusWong 0]

13 minutes ago, jahur said:

Gov too afraid to tinker up a bit with opening. A simple belly dance or stress crazed dance in IPTA grounds have already irked the local green wave that has been pushed to be more vocal by their local respective ulama's. Striving to avoid being too excessively conservative and excessively liberal seems to be on none of the politicians agenda. This "malaysia is only catered to family friendly" oriented tourism is not gonna last long term unless a replacement(mass manufacturing export, agriculture export plus food security, corporatism)  is called in for the potential loss of neglecting other tourism segment and severely little to no marketing.

This....... the country over-reliant on China market is coming back to bite its ass. Instead of mounting or dive deep end into EU/US joint venture, MH preferred to launch more direct flight into secondary cities in mainland China, only to drop them after the numbers fell far below their projection. With China economy now in bad shape, everyone around the region is now bearing the brunt. Post Cuti-cuti Malaysia campaign/ post Pak Lah era, there are hardly any memorable Tourism Malaysia slogan. Malaysia is hardly a "family friendly" oriented tourism, infrastructure and facilities are sorely lacking or falling apart. The overzealous religion bigots doesn't help the country either, they are either provoking asking kafirs to leave the country or to revoke gambling or drinking licenses. Yes, alcohol is not the main problem, but it is among the list of problems that tourism in Malaysia is facing.

6 hours ago, Chris Tan said:

Airlines are better at identifying travel patterns than you seem to think. The nimble ones like AirAsia (to put it in a Malaysian context) are even better placed to respond to that demand, by create point-to-point routes where demand exists. It's no coincidence that AK serves LGK-SIN but not -DMK.

Then there's the approach of putting the cart before the horse, i.e. by creating/subsidising routes for the sake of stimulating demand. I'm certainly not opposed to that, but when experiments like LGK-DOH/LHR (some of the largest aviation global aviation hubs) failed, doesn't that tell you something about the limits of this approach?

And I don't really get why the price of booze is being harped on here, as if slashing prices would fill Langkawi's beaches. Singapore is hands down a more expensive place to drink (and eat, and shop, and stay). I don't see any shortage of tourists there, even with a strong currency.

Is that why you've been directly quoting Craig's posts, even responding with unnecessarily personal remarks when your assertions were being challenged?

Learn to read first before commenting. 

[Izanee 0]

True, the ringgit is suffering a lot because of our over reliance on China. It was a big mistake. I don’t see why we could not keep our trading with our usual diversified base of countries. 
This was worse during the Jibby era when we were the pariahs internationally due to the 1MDB scandal. 
 

MH17/370 also set back our tourism for many years, due to the shock of twin crashes but also due to MH’s withdrawal of 777 services (all of Europe/SA/north and South America). … there is no visibility of MH as well as tourism Malaysia in those regions … there is not even much promotion on social media which is cheaper … bit mistake by the garmen to ignore our 3rd biggest income earner. 

the green wave is creating own goals in our country’s efforts to move out of the middle income trap. No one wants to invest really… not if you want to keep the 51% requirement for local companies to own anything that is set up. Anwar is too scared to make major reforms.

 

 

[KK Lee 5]

1 hour ago, Izanee said:

True, the ringgit is suffering a lot because of our over reliance on China. It was a big mistake. I don’t see why we could not keep our trading with our usual diversified base of countries. 
This was worse during the Jibby era when we were the pariahs internationally due to the 1MDB scandal. 
 

MH17/370 also set back our tourism for many years, due to the shock of twin crashes but also due to MH’s withdrawal of 777 services (all of Europe/SA/north and South America). … there is no visibility of MH as well as tourism Malaysia in those regions … there is not even much promotion on social media which is cheaper … bit mistake by the garmen to ignore our 3rd biggest income earner. 

the green wave is creating own goals in our country’s efforts to move out of the middle income trap. No one wants to invest really… not if you want to keep the 51% requirement for local companies to own anything that is set up. Anwar is too scared to make major reforms.

 

 

As over 50% of foodstuffs and necessities are imported, devalued RM will fuel inflation rate. Until BNM increase bank interest rate, could expect RM to devalue further.

Turkish Lira devalued substantially in the last few years and yet Erdogan got reelected. As Erdogan is PMX's buddy, PMX is likely to follow Erdogan's populist policy.

From the number of ME3 and Turkish flights serving KUL show, pax demand from KUL to EU and UK is fairly substantial. Tourism ministry in previous BN/PN administration were more interested to siphoning and travel than promoting the industry.

Edited September 8, 2023 by KK Lee

[Izanee 0]

1 hour ago, KK Lee said:

As over 50% of foodstuffs and necessities are imported, devalued RM will fuel inflation rate. Until BNM increase bank interest rate, could expect RM to devalue further.

Turkish Lira devalued substantially in the last few years and yet Erdogan got reelected. As Erdogan is PMX's buddy, PMX is likely to follow Erdogan's populist policy.

From the number of ME3 and Turkish flights serving KUL show, pax demand from KUL to EU and UK is fairly substantial. Tourism ministry in previous BN/PN administration were more interested to siphoning and travel than promoting the industry.

Absolutely, I think PMX will have to pander to the population to stem the rise in the green wave. 
 

Looks like EK is back to 3 class A380, plus two other 777 flights. TK is twice daily, EY daily, QR daily (+ two MH operated flights). And even SV has 3-4 flights a day. 

the garmen officials used the money to fund their travels, that’s for sure.
 

[Adam Lawrence 0]

Indonesian LCC, Super Air Jet will open Pekanbaru-Kuala Lumpur & Padang-Kuala Lumpur routes

https://en.tempo.co/read/1769616/super-air-jet-opens-new-pekanbaru-kuala-lumpur-international-route

https://travel.kompas.com/read/2023/09/09/175000427/super-air-jet-terbang-dari-padang-ke-kuala-lumpur-per-5-oktober-2023

[BC Tam 2]

Carrier to serve Sabah and Sarawak viable, say analysts (msn.com)

Shifting objectives/priorities and mobile goal posts 😩

[Robert 0]

1 hour ago, BC Tam said:

Carrier to serve Sabah and Sarawak viable, say analysts (msn.com)

Shifting objectives/priorities and mobile goal posts 😩

not surprised 

[Adam Lawrence 0]

Sichuan Airlines Sep 2023 SE Asia Network Additions

Sichuan Airlines this month is adding a pair of new international routes to Southeast Asia, including Malaysia and Indonesia. Planned new routes and schedules as follows.

Haikou – Kuala Lumpur eff 17SEP23 2 weekly A321
3U3749 HAK1055 – 1450KUL 321 47
3U3750 KUL1550 – 1915HAK 321 47
 

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230915-3usep23myid

[Adam Lawrence 0]

Xiamen Airlines Adds Xiamen – Penang From late-Sep 2023

Xiamen Airlines in late-September 2023 plans to add new service to Malaysia, where the airline schedules Xiamen – Penang nonstop flight. The Skyteam member plans to operate this route from 28SEP23 with Boeing 737-800 aircraft, 3 times weekly.

MF8705 XMN1430 – 1830PEN 738 247
MF8706 PEN1930 – 2330XMN 738 247

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230915-mfsep23pen