S V Choong 4 Report post Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) From Flight Global: Final assembly work on the Comac C919 has kicked into high gear, with assembly of the first prototype airframe almost complete.Pictures released to Flightglobal show an almost complete airframe joined from nose through to the tail. Wing-to-body join has also been done, with the vertical and horizontal stabilisers already attached to the aircraft's tail. The aircraft is still resting on struts, although the main landing gear and forward landing gear appear to have been installed. The aircraft's wingtip devices have also yet to be installed. No other aircraft are pictured in the final assembly centre area..... Read full article here (with photos): http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-c919-takes-shape-in-shanghai-409657/ Edited March 4, 2015 by S V Choong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted March 4, 2015 Design language borrowed heavily from the B787 and the A320.. couldn't they at least make it a bit different? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted March 4, 2015 Design language borrowed heavily from the B787 and the A320.. couldn't they at least make it a bit different? If it works, why change for the sake of being different? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) If it works, why change for the sake of being different? Firstly, being an easy target of lawsuit - potentially copyright infringement. Secondly, it will live under the shadow of someone else's design and not having a soul of its own. Imagine if Airbus copied pretty much everything from Boeing. Or B copied from A... At best, it will only be second best, not the best! Thirdly, it says about the country's culture... endless copying and duplicating, unable to come up with an original design or a point of difference... Come on... it is not that hard to make the cockpit windows a bit difference... I am sure you could just alter the lines even just slightly... Edited March 4, 2015 by S V Choong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted March 5, 2015 Don't think it is going to be a problem In the old days, the USSR had the same issues. Now China and Russia are talking about building a wide body together. Looks like they don't want to depend on the west for their aviation assets anymore... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alif A. F. 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2015 In hindsight, it will offer more choice for airline customers too. A vs. B might will be A vs. B vs. C. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted March 5, 2015 Don't think it is going to be a problem In the old days, the USSR had the same issues. Now China and Russia are talking about building a wide body together. Looks like they don't want to depend on the west for their aviation assets anymore... Yeah, good luck but not sure if partnering with Russia is the right choice. Russia lagged behind the West in many areas and they had to depend on Western Avionics and more efficient engines too. Then again, I can't see China partnering with anyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waiping 12 Report post Posted March 5, 2015 Design language borrowed heavily from the B787 and the A320.. couldn't they at least make it a bit different? Good luck in combining A and B, but they did copy the successful Land Rover Evoque. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted March 5, 2015 Good luck in combining A and B, but they did copy the successful Land Rover Evoque. They call it "Land Wind'' right? In the past, Chinese car manufacturer, BYD, had copied the Honda Accord CL7 model and various other models. Actually China is already manufacturing the proper Land Rover Evoque under licence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alif A. F. 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2015 A college friend once told me that when it comes to some of these mainland businesses, 'copyright' perhaps being interpreted as 'the right to copy'... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted March 5, 2015 A college friend once told me that when it comes to some of these mainland businesses, 'copyright' perhaps being interpreted as 'the right to copy'... The mentality of learning from the west in China has taken further to mean copying rather than learning the principles and essence. Across Asia, mimicking the West and westerners is a norm but just to different degrees. I guess! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) ..... 'copyright' perhaps being interpreted as 'the right to copy'... Actually if 'copy' and 'right' are interpreted word for word in that order, without hassle of grammatical interference, into the Chinese language, it comes to "copy correctly" Voila - go ahead, it's meant to be done, but make sure it's done the right way ! Edited March 6, 2015 by BC Tam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) "China's first large passenger aircraft to be made in the country was rolled out of the final assembly line in Shanghai on Monday. The C919 aircraft was developed by Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd. It is expected to make its maiden flight in 2016 and begin test flights for three years before commercial use." - BBC News reported. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34695863 Chinese article (Hong Kong) http://news.mingpao.com/ins/instantnews/web_tc/article/20151102/s00004/1446436119470 http://china.hket.com/article/955188/%E9%A6%96%E6%9E%B6%E5%9C%8B%E7%94%A2%E5%A4%A7%E9%A3%9B%E6%A9%9FC919%E7%AB%A3%E5%B7%A5%E6%9B%9D%E5%85%89%20%E5%B7%B2%E6%9C%89517%E6%9E%B6%E8%A8%82%E5%96%AE%EF%BC%88%E6%9C%89%E7%89%87%E5%A4%9A%E5%9C%96%EF%BC%89 It is said to have up to 517 orders already on hand. Edited November 2, 2015 by S V Choong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J. Suri 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2015 Some said never buy anything made in China but Airbus also has a factory there. Details: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/02/asia/china-new-c919-passenger-jet/index.html?sr=fbCNN110215china-new-c919-passenger-jet0934PMVODtopLink&linkId=18449333 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted November 4, 2015 Some said never buy anything made in China but Airbus also has a factory there. Details: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/02/asia/china-new-c919-passenger-jet/index.html?sr=fbCNN110215china-new-c919-passenger-jet0934PMVODtopLink&linkId=18449333 Made in China & manufactured in China are two different things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) C919 has a pair of CFM LEAP engines which are destined for the 737-Max and A320-neo series too. It is too early to jump into any sort of conclusion. We shall wait and see. After all, it is from a country which has built rockets and spacecraft. China is not one of those countries who hitched a ride on someone else's rocket and claimed they have been on space. That everyone were waiting for their experiment of exceptional importance... Edited November 4, 2015 by S V Choong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mulyadir Fitri 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2015 Some said never buy anything made in China but Airbus also has a factory there. Details: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/02/asia/china-new-c919-passenger-jet/index.html?sr=fbCNN110215china-new-c919-passenger-jet0934PMVODtopLink&linkId=18449333 That is purely a business decision. And their QC is the same whether in Europe or China. You buy enough of their planes, they will assemble them in your back yard. KTM ordered a lot of trainsets from China's CSR Zhuzhou that they agreed to set up an assembly plant at Batu Gajah. Similar arrangement Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) That is purely a business decision. And their QC is the same whether in Europe or China. You buy enough of their planes, they will assemble them in your back yard. KTM ordered a lot of trainsets from China's CSR Zhuzhou that they agreed to set up an assembly plant at Batu Gajah. Similar arrangement This is how they learn things too, China has had quite a bit of technology transfer through these assembly lines. On top of that China have recently been successful in bidding for the Indonesian High Speed Rail project. They are also building the first high speed rail system for the US (between Los Angeles and Las Vegas). http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/china-help-build-las-vegas-los-angeles-high-speed-railway-n429346 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-16/china-to-build-high-speed-rail-line-in-indonesia-joint-venture Yeah don't buy anything from China, before you know it, you could well be on a Chinese made train or plane. Edited November 5, 2015 by S V Choong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakan 2 Report post Posted November 5, 2015 Looks like Bombardier new C series and Airbbus A350 mixed. On the other hand, it is really smart invest about to China market that is ready to order at least 500planes in a year. China aviation is expending every year and it would be really profitable market for this new plane. Good job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alif A. F. 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2015 Japan also joining the competition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alif A. F. 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2015 Yeah don't buy anything from China, before you know it, you could well be on a Chinese made train or plane. Was onboard PK-AZA once. Realised later it was assembled in Tianjin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vicknesh PS 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2015 Products can be made/assembled anywhere. Most importantly QA/QC standards set by the designers and original manufacturer must be adhered to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted May 5, 2017 The Comac C919 narrowbody lifted off from Shanghai Pudong International airport's fourth runway at 14:00 local time, marking its maiden sortie seven years into its development. Read more: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/comac-c919-commences-maiden-flight-436873/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted May 10, 2017 China's C919 - a great leap forward? On 5 May China's new single-aisle airliner, the COMAC C919, took to the skies for the first time. TIM ROBINSON asks: is this the end of the Airbus-Boeing duopoly? https://www.aerosociety.com/news/chinas-c919-a-great-leap-forward/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites