RMAF : Eurofighter Typhoon to replace MiG-29N?

[fendy 2]

Germany is paying €90m (RM 387m) for each of their Eurofighters. It looks like the Malaysia will be buying the most expensive version of the Eurofighter Typhoon, at RM 3b each, approx 10 times more...

of course, its fully loaded highest spec, keyless entry, key memory function auto dimming mirrors, reverse sensor, parking sensor, auto folding wings, iDrive entertainment system with built in GPS (preloaded with KL maps) realtime traffic, voice navigation, mobile office with bluetooth audio support, reverse camera with audible warning system, active steering, bixenon adaptive landing lights with LED daytime running lights, 3m tinting on the canopy, heated power seats w/memory function and 8-way adjustment, comfort seats with 3 way power lumbar support, power height and power tilt, power thigh rest, built in cooler bar, cup holders x2 (one for your alcohol and one for your mixers), adjustable suspension, power and stability, illumated vanity mirror, stainless steel luggage storage compartment with space for shoes, laptop bag and golf clubs, auto park and shutdown at parking bay, active autopilot, heated yoke, 1080p high definition heads up display with built in GPS maps support, blu ray, DVD and further support for MP3, AVI with 2 USB ports input, premium BOSE high definition sound system with 16 speakers for premium surround sound quality, 2 bass speakers, 7 mid-range speakers and 7 tweeters with individual amplifiers, panoramic canopy with mood shades, mood interior lighting, etc. etc.

[Waiping 12]

of course, its fully loaded highest spec, keyless entry, key memory function auto dimming mirrors, reverse sensor, parking sensor, auto folding wings, iDrive entertainment system with built in GPS (preloaded with KL maps) realtime traffic, voice navigation, mobile office with bluetooth audio support, reverse camera with audible warning system, active steering, bixenon adaptive landing lights with LED daytime running lights, 3m tinting on the canopy, heated power seats w/memory function and 8-way adjustment, comfort seats with 3 way power lumbar support, power height and power tilt, power thigh rest, built in cooler bar, cup holders x2 (one for your alcohol and one for your mixers), adjustable suspension, power and stability, illumated vanity mirror, stainless steel luggage storage compartment with space for shoes, laptop bag and golf clubs, auto park and shutdown at parking bay, active autopilot, heated yoke, 1080p high definition heads up display with built in GPS maps support, blu ray, DVD and further support for MP3, AVI with 2 USB ports input, premium BOSE high definition sound system with 16 speakers for premium surround sound quality, 2 bass speakers, 7 mid-range speakers and 7 tweeters with individual amplifiers, panoramic canopy with mood shades, mood interior lighting, etc. etc.

 

Bro you virtually covered everything!

[Mohd Saat 0]

of course, its fully loaded highest spec, keyless entry, key memory function auto dimming mirrors, reverse sensor, parking sensor, auto folding wings, iDrive entertainment system with built in GPS (preloaded with KL maps) realtime traffic, voice navigation, mobile office with bluetooth audio support, reverse camera with audible warning system, active steering, bixenon adaptive landing lights with LED daytime running lights, 3m tinting on the canopy, heated power seats w/memory function and 8-way adjustment, comfort seats with 3 way power lumbar support, power height and power tilt, power thigh rest, built in cooler bar, cup holders x2 (one for your alcohol and one for your mixers), adjustable suspension, power and stability, illumated vanity mirror, stainless steel luggage storage compartment with space for shoes, laptop bag and golf clubs, auto park and shutdown at parking bay, active autopilot, heated yoke, 1080p high definition heads up display with built in GPS maps support, blu ray, DVD and further support for MP3, AVI with 2 USB ports input, premium BOSE high definition sound system with 16 speakers for premium surround sound quality, 2 bass speakers, 7 mid-range speakers and 7 tweeters with individual amplifiers, panoramic canopy with mood shades, mood interior lighting, etc. etc.

 

 

Must be Eurofighter E92 M3???? E46 cannot

[Fitri Shukri 0]

are we at war? are we on alert for war? and with just 10-15 aircraft? do you really want to go to war with those numbers?

whatever hardware the forces posses right now, just go for upgrades or status quo. all that purported costs should be channeled to the nations education and healthcare, which is of paramount importance...

 

I believe a responsible government and leadership will provide both... a strong and modern armed forces and world class quality education for the masses.

 

What good it is if more money to be channeled to education only for the politicians to decides on key education policy?

 

Having a strong armed forces is not just for war. In peaceful times, it is more as a deterrent force and stabilizing factor in regional peace.

 

Apart from that, Malaysia, along with many of our neighbor are expected to play a more active role in peacekeeping and UN mission overseas. Traditionally, Malaysia have been very active in peacekeeing roles, mainly by our Army and Police. However, as demonstrated in Libya (No Fly Zone mandated by UN, enforced by NATO and allies with US playing a minor role) can possibly happen in South East Asia too. Who knows RMAF, together with likes of RSAF, RAAF and TNI-AU will be requested by UN to patrol NFZ above Myanmar or Spratly in the near future!

[Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2]

are we at war? are we on alert for war?

 

I guess Singapore's on alert for war because they have in their arsenal - 74 F-16, 24 F-15 and they're going to get themselves the F-35 as well.

 

You don't need to be on war alert to have a strong defence force.

[Tamizi Hj Tamby 1]

... Who knows RMAF, together with likes of RSAF, RAAF and TNI-AU will be requested by UN to patrol NFZ above Myanmar or Spratly in the near future!

 

Due to the current issue regarding to the Spratlys,you do have a point there.

[fendy 2]

Must be Eurofighter E92 M3???? E46 cannot

yep, and NAZA will bring in the eurofighter for half the price!

[PaulMcgregor 0]

Its either f18 or sukhoi. without aesa radar its useless. i wonder why we keep on buying from eads.

[Fitri Shukri 0]

Its either f18 or sukhoi. without aesa radar its useless. i wonder why we keep on buying from eads.

 

That is if the US will allow AESA radars to be sold to Malaysia and if the Russian can build its AESA on time for the Sukhois. Our Su30MKM is still using PESA radars.

 

I believe, if the MRCA for RMAF were to proceed, it will be influenced by India's MRCA competition results which will be a showdown of Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale after the Indian ruled out Boeing FA-18E/F, Saab JAS-39, MiG-35 and the Lockheed F-16E/F.

 

One key requirement for India's MRCA is AESA radars must be available on time. One reason Dassault lost the Rafale to Boeing F-15SG for Singapore air force is due to lack of Rafale's AESA radars for the specific time given by the Singaporean.

[Waiping 12]

This is starting to look like shopping for a car. You want more inexpensive after market accessories go for Proton, Perodua, Toyota etc. You want only genuine/expensive accessories go for continental cars.

[KK Lee 5]

However, as demonstrated in Libya (No Fly Zone mandated by UN, enforced by NATO and allies with US playing a minor role) can possibly happen in South East Asia too. Who knows RMAF, together with likes of RSAF, RAAF and TNI-AU will be requested by UN to patrol NFZ above Myanmar or Spratly in the near future!

 

Given China has veto power in the Security Council, doubt UN can impose NFZ over Spratly or Burma.

 

The biggest bully in Spratly is China. Given substantial amount of China's oil import and export is passing through Strait of Malacca, as long as Malaysia can control Strait of Malacca, China is unlikely to confront Malaysia or Indonesia over Spratly.

 

Believe China will only exercise its muscle over Spratly if domestic politic become dire. However, given possible resources gain and supply route protection, venturing into northern territory might seem more probable.

 

Edited August 3, 2011 by KK Lee

[KK Lee 5]

At RM3 billion a piece, a squadron of 8 aircraft is more than enough to pay for construction of KL MRT. For the maintenance of a squadron, the public can have unlimited ride on KL’s MRT, LRT, KTM and public bus for a nominal fare of RM1 or free.

 

[KK Lee 5]

According to Jane’s Defence Weekly;

 

Uganda bought six Sukhoi Su-30 MK2 in 2010 for US$200 million.

 

Norway ordered four F-35 Lightning II JSF last April for US$887 million.

[Waiping 12]

Malaysia gets “very high risk” corruption ranking in procurement of defence equipment

The other countries in the study were Afghanistan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, China, Ethiopia, Iraq, Jordan, Morocco, Nigeria, Oman, Palestine, Pakistan, Rwanda, Singapore, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

"Malaysia’s band ranking went from “D” – high to “E” – very high,"

 

http://my.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-gets-very-high-risk-corruption-ranking-procurement-020817283.html

[Cire 0]

IMHO, I think we should not spend too much monies on highly sophisticated fighter jets. Any jets that could be scrambled to protect our off-shore interest effectively will do.

However, if the needs do outweigh the monies spent, I would think the best deals would come from the Russians where Malaysia could off-set the purchase with an extended cosmonaut programs, or the country's produce.

 

In Malaysia's geographical environment, the most likely threats would be guerilla fighters from the splinters of islands off east Malaysia where our shores are too wide to enable effective border control. In the event such as the Lahad Datu case, the ground offensive have to rely on land vehicles which are too cumbersome to move around. Our intelligence gathering assets were vague and very much dependance on land visual sightings rather than some sophisticated aerial reconnaissance.

It would be a different story if Malaysia have a couple of attack helicopters squadrans with such reconnaissance capability. An Apache attack helicopter for example could use its gadgets to coordinate ground troops, and as well provide aerial support when needed.

I am sure have these assets would boost the morale of our ground troops, and also boast the deterring level on would be aggressors.

[flee 5]

I reiterate that we are better off with armed UAVs - low cost and highly effective. That is why the Talibans are crying foul in Afghanistan - UAVs have levelled the playing field for the coalition forces.

[Amirul Mazlan 0]

They fight different wars.

[Arthur Van Straten 0]

flee has a point. Although you can not compare the Afghanistan conflict with any ongoing or imagenary conflict in the rest of the world.

However, next generation fighter jets are becoming expensive in an unsustainable way fast.

 

And there it is where the politicians and the Military have to find a balance in between mission profile and budget.

And as a mission profile is ultimately linked to an enemy or perceived threat, the decisionmakers should be able to define the enemy and the perceived threat first.

And also, yes, these two elements will be different in various parts of the world. Notwhitstanding, there is a trend visible, and a clear perception that you do not need a surplus of figther squadrons any longer to be able to play your role in a conflict. There are more ways to skin a cat and the UAV's are claiming their spot.

Priorities and concepts change. Yeterdays enemy is todays friend and vice versa.

 

Today i saw the finest of the RMAF do several flypasts over the citycentre. And i have to admit, seeing a squadron of UAV,s doing a flypast is by far not so impressive as eight fighter jets showing their capabilities.

 

Here is a link to an article which gives some real insights. http://www.migflug.com/jetflights/uav-replace-fighter-jets.html

 

And no, did not vote for which fighter jet should be bought next as i do not know where the enemy is or the perceived threat. But i am sure someone can educate me here.

 

Cheers

Art

Edited September 21, 2013 by Arthur Van Straten

[zeqa 1]

So which fighter did RMAF use for the lahad datu war? I recall there's an airstrike conducted by RMAF.

[Raymund Yeoh 1]

So which fighter did RMAF use for the lahad datu war? I recall there's an airstrike conducted by RMAF.

They used Hawks if I remember correctly

[flee 5]

And also the F/A-18s.

[Syukri 0]

My opinion is that we should upgrade and continue using the migs as of now. Our country will benefit more on attack helicopter for border control

[KK Lee 5]

RMAF can recommend based on aircraft performance, capability, life cycle cost, etc but nothing could beat a strong cable offering to PM RM.

 

[Syukri 0]

I once had a chance to chat with Migs crew,asking about its retirement.. They say the jets still have few good years to fly and even more if upgraded..

[flee 5]

Well our politicians are very good at acquiring new equipment, for obvious reasons! Performing maintenance and upgrades? Well, its not so lucrative for them...

 

Most Eastern European air forces operate the MiG 29 - these are even older than the RMAF's. They keep them well maintained and in good condition.

Edited September 23, 2013 by flee