KLIA2 - New Mega Low Cost Carriers Terminal

[Waiping 12]

Maybe there will be extra radar also since I'd heard the radar often breakdown...

[flee 5]

How many runways are there in the KLIA grand masterplan?? Therefore how many towers are they gonna build?

Original masterplan was for 4 runways. But I believe the third runway was originally not conforming to that plan. Perhaps it is now, as far as length and width is concerned. However, I think the location of the third runway is not as stated on the masterplan.

[BC Tam 2]

How many runways are there in the KLIA grand masterplan??

That piece of info largely irrelevant already I believe, cause 'people' already declared parts of it not suitable to be built upon

[idrus qader 0]

hello guys..i'm newbies here..enjoying read thoroughly this topic..

 

As per announce in MAHB website (http://www.malaysiaairports.com.my/)

Site Selection of klia2

 

The present site for klia2 was selected based on the recommendation in the National Airport Master Plan (NAMP) (2008) after a detailed and comprehensive study involving all stakeholders including Ministry of Transport, Department of Civil Aviation, Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Home Affairs and all airlines. The original KLIA Master Plan was reviewed so as to take into account the latest development in the aviation industry such as growth of low fare airlines and their specific requirements, rationalisation of routes, liberalisation of air service agreements and aviation security requirements. Major issues such as location, soil condition, airside/landside connectivity and existing infrastructure were also taken into consideration in the study.

 

This NAMP has superseded the original KLIA Master Plan (1992).

December/14/2011

[KK Lee 5]

KLIA2 cost hike: Call for heads to roll Aidila Razak

12:02PM Jan 4, 2012

 

Petaling Jaya Utara MP Tony Pua wants action against top managers of Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB) for not disclosing crucial information about the KLIA2 site, causing the project cost to bloat.

 

At a press conference at the DAP headquarters in Kuala Lumpur today, Pua said the drawbacks of the move were "conveniently left out" during the MAHB’s presentation to the government steering committee at a meeting in April 2008.

 

"There was specific reference to the site moving from KLIA North to KLIA West, but no good reason was given as to why the site was shifted,” Pua claimed.

 

"At the April 15, 2008, presentation, no mention was made of the reasons stated in the (1992 KLIA) masterplan as to why KLIA West was unsuitable.”

 

In 2007, MAHB told government officials that the western site - on which it is building KLIA2 today - was unsuitable as it was made of peat marine overlay, which has poor load-bearing capacity.

 

Pua had last year pointed out that the need to deal with the poor soil had contributed to the bulk of the RM2.2 billion jump in costs, as well as delays in construction.

 

Comparing slides from the MAHB presentation in April 2008 with another by the corporation in July 2007, Pua said figures appear to have been changed to support the shift.

 

In the 2008 presentation, MAHB stated that the northern site had a passenger load forecast of up to 80 million a year, some 20 million fewer than the western site.

 

However, the 1992 master plan cited in the 2007 presentation states that the northern site can handle up to 105 million passengers a year.

 

Besides the passenger load, MAHB had also argued in its 2008 presentation that the western site was better as it would allow for a third runway to be built.

 

"(Dr) Ling Liong Sik was charged in court for the same reason - leaving out data and information (on the Port Klang Free Zone project)," the DAP publicity chief noted.

 

Transport Ministry blamed

 

While representatives of the ministries of finance and home affairs and other agencies could not be expected to have the technical know-how to scrutinise the proposal to shift locations, Pua said, the same could not be said about the Transport Ministry.

 

"As a regulator, it should have been more diligent in the monitoring and not leave everything to MAHB," he said.

 

According to the minutes, those at the April 15, 2008, meeting were MAHB director Bashir Ahmad Abdul Majid, representatives from the finance, home affairs and defence ministries and other government agencies, besides stakeholders.

 

The decision to shift the location was made in 2008, under the watch of then Transport Minister Ong Tee Keat.

 

MAHB had in a Dec 14, 2011 posting on its website stated that the new site was selected based on the National Airport Master Plan 2008, which "superseded the original KLIA master plan (1992)”.

 

"Major issues such as location, soil condition, airside/landside connectivity and existing infrastructure were also taken into consideration in the study," MAHB said.

 

It said a "detailed and comprehensive study (had been done) involving all stakeholders, including the Ministry of Transport, Department of Civil Aviation, Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Home Affairs and all airlines.

 

"The original KLIA Master Plan was reviewed so as to take into account the latest developments in the aviation industry such as growth of low-fare airlines and their specific requirements, rationalisation of routes, liberalisation of air service agreements and aviation security requirements."

 

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/185631

 

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/2012/01/04/heads-must-roll-for-swampland-runway/

 

2009 NAMP 3 runways can handle more movements than 1992 master plan's 5 runways?

Edited January 4, 2012 by KK Lee

[alberttky 0]

This guy's days are numbered.

[flee 5]

At that time, MAHB was trying to wrest the approval of the RM 1.6b KLIA £ast@Labu project away from the Sime Darby/AirAsia partnership. So they conveniently forgot to include the engineering costs for land preparation in their estimated costs for the airport.

 

In other words, the govt. of sleepy head Badawi was conned!

[alberttky 0]

Pua: MAHB was aware that KLIA2 would cost more

 

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia Airports Holding Berhad (MAHB) was aware that moving the KLIA2 project to KLIA West would cost more than an earlier projection, said DAP national publicity chief Tony Pua.

 

He said MAHB knew that KLIA West was unsuitable for airport construction and that it would lead to its costs to rise from the estimated RM1.7bil in 2007 to RM3.9bil last year.

 

“The 1992 Master Plan clearly stated that ‘the western part of the site mainly comprises saturated marine clays with an overlay of peat material’.

 

“It also said that ‘the combination of the drainage problems and the type of material means that the western part of the site has poor bearing qualities and is not suitable for airport construction without undertaking significant engineering measures to improve load bearing capacity’,” he said yesterday.

 

At an earlier meeting on July 6, 2007, Pua said MAHB had stated that KLIA North was the best option available to build the new KLIA2.

 

“The advantages of KLIA North highlighted at the meeting included efficient operations since the aprons are well-connected to either runway one or two with ample land available for future expansion.”

 

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2012/1/5/nation/10204084&sec=nation

[flee 5]

Tee Keat backs DAP claim on KLIA2

 

KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 5 — Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat has backed DAP publicity chief Tony Pua’s claim that Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB) did not inform the government that shifting KLIA2 to its current site would lead to higher construction costs.

 

Ong, who was transport minister when MAHB first mooted the change, said he did not recall being told by the airport operator that additional costs would be incurred if the low-cost carrier terminal was moved from KLIA North to KLIA West.

 

“(When it comes to) earthworks, I feel I should be alert because normally I’m quite sensitive to that.

 

“What I can remember is that it wasn’t highlighted,” he told The Malaysian Insider last night.

 

Yesterday, Pua alleged that MAHB had failed to inform government officials that moving the terminal to the west of the existing KLIA building would push construction costs up by RM1.9 billion to RM3.9 billion.

 

He pointed out MAHB withheld this information when it first proposed the new site to Transport, Finance and Home Ministry officials at a meeting on April 15, 2008, even though it had endorsed KLIA North as the best possible site as late as July 6, 2007.

 

This was despite the original KLIA Master Plan 1992 warning that soil to the west had “poor bearing qualities and is not suitable for airport construction without undertaking significant engineering measures”, he said.

 

Ong said the plans for KLIA2 were still preliminary after he took over the transport portfolio in March 2008, adding that the KLIA West site was presented to him in “introductory” fashion.

 

“Certain things presented to me as a new minister may not be linked to some of the older proposals. Certain things may not be resurrected,” he said, in reference to the 1992 KLIA Master Plan.

 

MAHB has denied withholding crucial information from government officials, stressing that the terminal was only shifted upon approval from all stakeholders.

 

The airport operator previously said the inflated cost of KLIA2, which has nearly doubled to RM3.9 billion from RM2 billion, was due to its decision to increase the terminal’s capacity to 45 million passengers per annum from 30 million.

 

This was done to accommodate budget carrier AirAsia’s projections that 45.3 million passengers would be using the new low-cost carrier terminal by 2020, it said.

 

MAHB also blamed the latest six-month delay to a change in the baggage handling system (BHS) which, it said, had been requested by AirAsia.

 

But AirAsia has denied asking for a more powerful BHS or a larger terminal, noting that it had only asked MAHB to ensure KLIA2 could be expanded if needed.

 

KLIA2 will be the world’s largest low-cost carrier terminal when it is completed in April 2013.

 

Source

[michgyver 0]

KLIA2 Floor Plan

 

http://www.klia2retail.com.my/klia2_Tender_Brief_Slide.pdf

[flee 5]

KLIA 2 Construction Progressing On Schedule

By Linda Khoo

 

SEPANG, March 5 (Bernama) -- The new low-cost carrier terminal, KL International Airport 2 (KLIA 2), with the capacity to cater to 45 million passengers yearly, is almost half-way completed and is on schedule, said Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB) managing director and chief executive officer, Tan Sri Bashir Ahmad Monday.

 

He said work on the 257,000-sq metre KLIA 2, which is due for completion in April next year, started in October 2009.

 

The cost of the LCCT will be between RM3.6 billion and RM3.9 billion, he told a press conference here today, adding that the project was within the budget.

 

Earlier, Transport Minister, Datuk Seri Kong Cho Ha attended a briefing on the project with Bashir and senior officials at the MAHB headquarters before visiting the KLIA 2 site here.

 

Bashir said MAHB expected to welcome more low-cost carriers to the KLIA 2 once the terminal is completed.

 

"At the moment, the biggest operator at KLIA 2 will be AirAsia. Other low-cost carriers such as Tiger Airways will move to KLIA 2 and if there are new low-cost airlines wanting to operate at KLIA 2, they are welcome to do," he said.

 

On the awarding of concessionaires for outlets at KLIA 2, Bashir said MAHB received overwhelming response from interested parties for space at KLIA 2.

 

"The tenders will be done in stages," he said, adding that no decision has been made yet on the retailers as the exercise was ongoing.

 

It was reported before that MAHB will be making the awards for the 225 outlets at KLIA 2 by July this year for a scheduled opening in April next year.

 

Of the 225 outlets, 118 outlets have been allocated for retail offerings, 81 lots for food and beverages and 26 lots for services.

 

MAHB expects an annual sales of RM1.6 billion in five years, judging from 30 million passengers expected to fly via the KLIA 2.

[Naim 6]

http://www.starprope...htBox/19554/0/0

 

Mar 6, 2012

 

KLIA2 on course for completion in April next year

 

SEPANG: The construction of KLIA2 is on schedule to meet its target completion date in April 2013, said Malaysia Airports Holdings Berhad (MAHB).

MAHB managing director Tan Sri Bashir Ahmad said the new low-cost terminal was now 45% completed “as per schedule”.

He was speaking to reporters after accompanying Transport Minister Datuk Seri Kong Cho Ha on a visit to the KLIA2 construction site.

“This is the second time the Minister is visiting the site and we have updated him on the progress,” said Bashir.

The construction work for KLIA2 started in October 2009.

It is now estimated to cost be­­tween RM3.6bil and RM3.9bil, at least 80% more than its provisional budget of RM2bil.

In November last year, MAHB had cited additions to the new terminal for passenger comfort as reasons for the cost increase.

These include a shopping mall, an automated baggage handling system and significant upgrades in terms of floor space, the length of runways and the number of aircraft stands at the terminal.

Currently, MAHB is in the process of calling for tender bids for the new terminal’s commercial space.

According to Bashir, the response from retailers is “very good”.

Upon completion, KLIA2 is estimated to have the capacity to serve up to 45 million passengers annually – three times the capacity of the existing LCCT.

[Pieter C. 5]

April 2013;

 

OK ?, well let's see !!!

[Jamal 0]

Airports Authority of India (AAI) bought aerobridges for about RM1.6 million per piece. Assume there will be 50 gates at the new LCCT, total cost is RM80 million or only 4% of RM2 billions budget.

 

Airport should be built for the functionality and for users (pax and airlines) convenience, architecturally finish should not be the priority.

 

Progress is about improvement, what’s wrong if the new LCCT is better and more efficient than MTB?

 

http://www.mid-day.c...aon-airport.htm

 

 

We don't care about functionality or else which is useless to us. We only want to make our Swiss banks personal account full . We don't care about u public... we care us only

[michgyver 0]

[Radzi 2]

Just wonder, what will happen to the (new) LCCT if the low cost carriers AK and D7 are no longer around. Will the whole complex be abandoned?

[JuliusWong 0]

Just wonder, what will happen to the (new) LCCT if the low cost carriers AK and D7 are no longer around. Will the whole complex be abandoned?

You mean the current LCCT? It will be converted to Cargo Terminal.....

[dean hizudy 0]

or what he meant is AK and subsidiaries ceased flying?

[Ikman Ikreza 0]

Just wonder, what will happen to the (new) LCCT if the low cost carriers AK and D7 are no longer around. Will the whole complex be abandoned?

 

Maybe Firefly will move to KLIA2 and for MH domestic? KLIA remain for international and regional.

[flee 5]

Just wonder, what will happen to the (new) LCCT if the low cost carriers AK and D7 are no longer around. Will the whole complex be abandoned?

The KLIA2 design is actually much like a normal airport. That is one of the reasons it is costing so much now. So I don't think that there should be any problems accommodating other non LCC airlines in this terminal should LCCs stop flying to KUL.

Edited April 9, 2012 by flee

[Isaac 0]

Maybe Firefly will move to KLIA2 and for MH domestic? KLIA remain for international and regional.

Then KLIA MTB/Satellite will look even emptier than it already is.

[michgyver 0]

Then KLIA MTB/Satellite will look even emptier than it already is.

 

every airport are the same. when i was in changi, there are lots of pax in terminal 1 between 7am to 9am but terminal 2 was empty. apart for those in uniform, i reckon there were no more than 50 pax.

 

likewise when i was arrived in incheon at 6.20am, we are the only pax in the concourse area tho' 30 min after disembark.

[Isaac 0]

every airport are the same. when i was in changi, there are lots of pax in terminal 1 between 7am to 9am but terminal 2 was empty. apart for those in uniform, i reckon there were no more than 50 pax.

 

likewise when i was arrived in incheon at 6.20am, we are the only pax in the concourse area tho' 30 min after disembark.

I was talking about the aircraft, not passengers. Anyway, the terminals in Changi and Incheon are very full during peak hours. Assume that Air Asia Group one day stops operating into KUL and FY/MH domestic move to the new KUL LCCT, all the terminals will look very empty 24/7.

Edited April 9, 2012 by Isaac

[dean hizudy 0]

as a passenger i will feel waaayyyy comfortable waiting in an empty terminal. y wanted to be stuck in crowded area???

[Isaac 0]

Good for you and all passengers using the facility but not good for MAHB and being a GLC, it means a lot of precious Rakyat's money are involved too. So in general, it's not good for the country as a whole.