SIA 744 doing touch & go at Senai

[Teo CK 0]

I was surprise to catch this megatop doing touch & go at Senai on 6 May on my way back to sabah. First time saw it in Senai act.

 

 

 

cheers

[Kevin Teh 0]

nice catch, but do you mind to resize it to 800*600 or 1024*768... the image is way too big to be displayed here...

[Azuddin 1]

that is awefully rare. changi is not far away but you see the megatop there. i think something must be wrong, Big time wrong.

 

the picture might be big, but you nailed two birds with one shot and it a full body shot. congats.

 

Azuddin

Edited May 27, 2006 by Azuddin

[Keith T 2]

SQ uses JHB as a training base.

[Min Chun 0]

SQ uses JHB as a training base.

For new pilots who just go into 747 fleet?

[Keith T 2]

For new pilots who just go into 747 fleet?

 

Not sure about the details unfortunately.

[Sneeze Lam 0]

is the guy near the tail was having a shot on the SQ also?

[Kevin Teh 0]

hmm... one thing i wondered... is the 747 empty? or fully loaded with passengers?

[Bing Chu 0]

hmm... one thing i wondered... is the 747 empty? or fully loaded with passengers?

What passengers ?! Travelling SIN-JHB-SIN ? And a full load ? The bus queue was quite bad the last time I travelled across the causeway, but surely it has not reached the point where they have to deploy a megatop to relieve the strain

Quite certain it's empty, if not only for safety considerations

[Tamizi Hj Tamby 1]

SQ uses JHB as a training base.

 

Really,Keith? That's mean SQ always doing touch and go's at JHB?

[Keith T 2]

Really,Keith? That's mean SQ always doing touch and go's at JHB?

 

AFAIK it does happen.

[Kevin Teh 0]

What passengers ?! Travelling SIN-JHB-SIN ? And a full load ? The bus queue was quite bad the last time I travelled across the causeway, but surely it has not reached the point where they have to deploy a megatop to relieve the strain

Quite certain it's empty, if not only for safety considerations

 

haha... i tot they will do a touch and go before landing at SIN later.... with passenger

[Keith T 2]

What passengers ?! Travelling SIN-JHB-SIN ? And a full load ? The bus queue was quite bad the last time I travelled across the causeway, but surely it has not reached the point where they have to deploy a megatop to relieve the strain

Quite certain it's empty, if not only for safety considerations

 

Yeah those touch and go training flights would be empty with such a short runway at JHB. The only times training flights would occur with a full load would be those crew familiarisation flights and training flights needed to fulfil some the quotas you need to keep a certain licence (no clue what exactly), like the SQ A345 flights SIN-CGK vv. And then there are flights to ensure max fleet utilisation like those NZ 744s they throw across the tasman for a quick run before returning later in the arvo for a long haul to LAX, or SQ865/866 SIN-HKG vv.

 

haha... i tot they will do a touch and go before landing at SIN later.... with passenger

 

That would be way too costly a diversion...

Edited May 27, 2006 by Keith T

[Bing Chu 0]

Plus it would really freak your (average) passengers out !!

[Raj 0]

Good Catch Teo CK..

JHB is a Good Place for Spotting..Plenty of Suprises..

FIve years ago when i was there i Saw an SQ Learjet 45 used for training as well as a SQ T7 doing Touch n go..

 

[Keith T 2]

Plus it would really freak your (average) passengers out !!

 

Even I was quite anxious last July when the BA 735 I was on suddenly aborted its final approach when it was extremely close to landing and regained altitude abruptly. I thought there was something wrong with the wheels or other random catasthropic occurance. Turns out that the jet in front of us didn't clear the runway quickly enough.

[Arthur Lee 0]

What passengers ?! Travelling SIN-JHB-SIN ? And a full load ?

 

Maybe SQ was doing some form of community service like what MH was publicising a few months back, giving a few hundred children who has never flown an opportunity to fly Being a SIN based airline, nothing goes to waste, not even a training flight (just kiddding)

 

Do all the wheels touch the runway during these touch-and-go sessions ?

 

 

[Peter Smith 1]

As Keith said, SQ use JHB for training purposes.

 

1) its cheaper than Changi

2) its bloody close to Changi

3) traffic is almost non-existent

4) with Changi's traffic, you'd never be able to fly circuits. It would be t'n'g, then into a holding pattern for about an hour until you can get another approach, and thus in the short time allocated for solely training purposes (you have to remember this pulls one a/c out of "earning" service), you would get very little out of it other than perfecting manual handling in a holding pattern over the SJ VOR.

Very logical, and convenient for SIA.

[Keith T 2]

Do all the wheels touch the runway during these touch-and-go sessions ?

 

I think there's a reason why it's called a 'touch-and-go.'

[Arthur Lee 0]

I think there's a reason why it's called a 'touch-and-go.'

 

My question is whether all wheels (including the front wheels) actually touched, or just the main wheels coming into contact for a split second. Either scenario could be interpreted as "touch-and-go". I am not familiar with the mechanics of flying an aircraft and from the viewpoint of a layman, both scenarios seems possible. I am sorry for sounding thick, but you didnt quite answer my question

 

If you are saying all wheels are rolling on the runway, I would imagine the speed to be quite substantial since the brakes (or whatever you call it) wont be applied inview of the impending takeoff. How many seconds does the plane remain in contact with the runway before lifting up ?

 

[Keith T 2]

My question is whether all wheels (including the front wheels) actually touched, or just the main wheels coming into contact for a split second. Either scenario could be interpreted as "touch-and-go". I am not familiar with the mechanics of flying an aircraft and from the viewpoint of a layman, both scenarios seems possible. I am sorry for sounding thick, but you didnt quite answer my question

 

Ok now it seems that you'd know better than me as to the technical details of the procedure. I thought you meant whether the wheels would have any contact with the ground at all. No clue that there's supposed to be 2 distinct categories of this exercise. The specialist knowledge of the plane experts we await...

 

By the way, *arm twist attempt number 2* come to AKL! Just NZD155/night at the Langham if you get in quick...

Edited May 28, 2006 by Keith T

[Arthur Lee 0]

By the way, *arm twist attempt number 2* come to AKL! Just NZD155/night at the Langham if you get in quick...

 

..but it would cost me MYR14,700 for a return biz class seat on MH ! My old bones would not be able to survive this long flight in Econ, and you should know how few miles Enrich members generally have in their account for upgrades

 

BTW if the Langham was the old Sheraton Auckland, its not exactly located in the most exciting part of town. Hilton looks nice at the harbour but their rates seems a bit off. Any reason why you are sticking with the Langham chain ? I am currently with SPG, HHonnors and PC; each of which gives me a far wider choice of hotels than Langham.

 

[Aaron Goh 1]

My question is whether all wheels (including the front wheels) actually touched, or just the main wheels coming into contact for a split second. Either scenario could be interpreted as "touch-and-go". I am not familiar with the mechanics of flying an aircraft and from the viewpoint of a layman, both scenarios seems possible. I am sorry for sounding thick, but you didnt quite answer my question

 

If you are saying all wheels are rolling on the runway, I would imagine the speed to be quite substantial since the brakes (or whatever you call it) wont be applied inview of the impending takeoff. How many seconds does the plane remain in contact with the runway before lifting up ?

 

Normal landing, all wheels on the ground, then flaps up/TO flaps, power up take off again. Runway not so long nevermind la, cos never brake. airspeed already there. Touch and go lor. SQ cadets do that in JB.

[Keith T 2]

..but it would cost me MYR14,700 for a return biz class seat on MH ! My old bones would not be able to survive this long flight in Econ, and you should know how few miles Enrich members generally have in their account for upgrades

 

BTW if the Langham was the old Sheraton Auckland, its not exactly located in the most exciting part of town. Hilton looks nice at the harbour but their rates seems a bit off. Any reason why you are sticking with the Langham chain ? I am currently with SPG, HHonnors and PC; each of which gives me a far wider choice of hotels than Langham.

 

Hmm...MYR14k hey, now that's tricky... Thankfully it's just across the tasman and back for me.

 

I've got PC and SPG. I don't really like the Hilton and Conrad brands for some reason so I didn't bother to touch them, even though there's the double dipping option on HHonours. I'm not sticking to the Langham chain per se, but there were no SPG properties in AKL and the Crowne Plaza there blows. Langham ended up to to be cheaper than Crowne also. Don't really care about the location as a few other Fters have booked rooms there so it'll be fun. Also, there's a free shuttle to the city run by the hotel every 30 mins. Langham's program is also by invitation (3 stays within 12 months) for some reason and by the end of the year, I'd have got an invite after Langham Boston - only USD155/night too. Maybe I should break up my stay up in between with a night at an SPG and then check into Langham again with my new club membership and get upgraded. :DAfter this year I'll be only concentrating on Langham and SPG stays, and using PC as a back up in case I can't find an SPG nor Langham (after all the ICH has about 3400 properties worldwide). But I must say a lot of the PC properties are dumps... I'd rather stay in a 4p than a HIX or even HI anytime. Some 4Ps are even nicer than the Crowne Plazas!

 

Having said that... in July I'll be doing HI HKT for only THB1/night.

Edited May 28, 2006 by Keith T

[Arthur Lee 0]

Normal landing, all wheels on the ground, then flaps up/TO flaps, power up take off again. Runway not so long nevermind la, cos never brake. airspeed already there. Touch and go lor. SQ cadets do that in JB.

 

Thanks Aaron.

 

So effectively the aircraft would be rolling along the runway at quite a high speed . I can imagine some passengers getting exceedingly worried in this scenario.

 

BTW is the old Paya Lebar Airport still there ? Just wondering, I know its too close to Changi for training flights.