Robert 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2018 SINGAPORE Malaysian budget airline Firefly will suspend all flights into Singapore from December 1, it said on Thursday (Nov 22) in response to media queries. https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/firefly-suspend-all-flights-singapore-dec-1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted November 22, 2018 So they are not keen on flying to Seletar? Airport charges still under negotiations? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lim Kar Yong 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2018 SINGAPORE Malaysian budget airline Firefly will suspend all flights into Singapore from December 1, it said on Thursday (Nov 22) in response to media queries. https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/firefly-suspend-all-flights-singapore-dec-1 No wonder I could not book any flights to Singapore on FY yesterday. Hope they resume flights to Seletar soon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jahur 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) Fireflys Ong also says he would like Seletar Airport to have an instrument landing system (ILS), so it can be a proper commercial airport. Hawker Pacifics Leong says, Our current VFR [visual flight rules] approach is inevitably presenting a lot of limitations. So, we do have some flights that are diverted to Changi Airport because of low cloud and potential storms. Having ILS would definitely make it easier for the pilots to bring aircraft in here. http://aviationweek.com/singapore-airshow-2018/seletar-airport-prepares-turboprop-service Singapore been known to throw in a lot weather. Without ils and full on visual approach don't think firefly or even malindo can maintain its otp into Singapore as they'll be spending time waiting for weather to clear up to meet the visual approach minimums criteria. Edited November 22, 2018 by jahur Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2018 Singapore responds and blames Malaysia: https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/malaysian-authorities-have-not-approved-fireflys-move-seletar-caas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted November 24, 2018 Malaysia’s Civil Aviation Authority ‘willing to work’ with Singapore to resolve suspension of Firefly flights to Changi “On this premise, Malaysia is willing to work with Singapore on the regulatory issues related to Singapore’s plan to move Firefly operations from Changi Airport to Seletar Airport, including outstanding airspace issues to be discussed, particularly on reviewing the terms and conditions of delegation of Malaysia’s airspace to Singapore for the provision of Air Traffic Services,” http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/malaysias-civil-aviation-authority-willing-work-singapore-resolve-suspension-firefly-flights Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radzi 2 Report post Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) What approach navaids does Seletar have? Could it be that Malaysian rules prohibit a passenger airline to operate to a destination without an approach navaid? Edited November 26, 2018 by Radzi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted November 28, 2018 What approach navaids does Seletar have? Could it be that Malaysian rules prohibit a passenger airline to operate to a destination without an approach navaid? Only visual approach IIRC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juergen Witte 0 Report post Posted December 2, 2018 But how come Berjaya operated into XSP until switching to SIN in 2010 ? Regulations have not changed since ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jit 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2018 https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/12/04/malaysia-to-send-protest-note-to-singapore-over-seletar-airport-la Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2018 https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/12/04/malaysia-to-send-protest-note-to-singapore-over-seletar-airport-la That link is dead The updated article is here: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/12/04/malaysia-not-opposed-to-development-of-seletar-airport-says-transport-minister How the Singapore press are reporting it, claiming that Malaysia wants to take back control: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-says-it-wants-to-take-back-airspace-over-south-johor-delegated-to-singapore What are the thoughts of the community on here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 4, 2018 How the Singapore press are reporting it, claiming that Malaysia wants to take back control: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-says-it-wants-to-take-back-airspace-over-south-johor-delegated-to-singapore What are the thoughts of the community on here? We need to go back in history as to why Singapore is controlling Malaysian airspace in the south of the Peninsula. I don't think this is something that can be done quickly - both countries need to negotiate privately and not make too many media statements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 4, 2018 Reclaiming southern Johor airspace will impact many, says Singapore https://www.malaymail.com/s/1699998/reclaiming-southern-johor-airspace-will-impact-many-says-singapore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jahur 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) The new ils which will go online in January seems to position approaching aircraft above pasir gudang on a steep 3.5 degree glideslope angle. If that's the case pasir gudang will have a lot of restriction in buildings like how Kota Kinabalu has no high rise building because it's near the runway 20 path. Maybe the relevant authorities could design a SIDstar where the aircraft can come in from a different angle instead of a straight in from Johor. Edited December 5, 2018 by jahur Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jani 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) That link is dead The updated article is here: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/12/04/malaysia-not-opposed-to-development-of-seletar-airport-says-transport-minister How the Singapore press are reporting it, claiming that Malaysia wants to take back control: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-says-it-wants-to-take-back-airspace-over-south-johor-delegated-to-singapore What are the thoughts of the community on here? Great example of how media controls the world. Same set of facts, spun differently. Edited December 5, 2018 by jani Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mushrif A 3 Report post Posted December 5, 2018 Great example of how media controls the world. Same set of facts, spun differently. Not exactly. There were two separate things mentioned during the press conference. Some media chose to report only either one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 5, 2018 I think all these matters come to light because our PM is always at odds with Sg. So all issues between the two countries are now under his eagle eye. Sg will not have it as easy as during the previous gahmen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2018 SG claims CAAM ignored emails and now the port is an issue as well : https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/singapores-transport-ministry-releases-documents-consultations-malaysians-last-december https://mothership.sg/2018/12/airspace-dispute-mot-malaysia-singapore-emails/ Disappointed that the two governments can't sort this out internally Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 5, 2018 Singapore rebuts Malaysia's objection to ILS at Seletar airport https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/singapore-rebuts-malaysias-objection-to-ils-at-sele-454152/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 11, 2018 Firefly feels the pain from Singapore suspension https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/firefly-feels-the-pain-from-singapore-suspension-454262/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted December 12, 2018 Maybe Singapore can consider the IGS system a la Kai Tak for Seletar? https://www.facebook.com/lokesiewfook/videos/272125803497410 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radzi 2 Report post Posted December 12, 2018 Maybe Singapore can consider the IGS system a la Kai Tak for Seletar? https://www.facebook.com/lokesiewfook/videos/272125803497410 No need for IGS, can use the RNP-AR instead. For those who can't use the RNP-AR, there is always the visual approach option. Unfortunately, the problem with the ILS glideslope is real, considering that the glideslope height is 1000 ft for every nautical mile. At 5 nm (8 km) the height of the descending aircraft is only 1500 ft, not including the buffer zone. Too low for any future highrise development in Pasir Gudang. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike P 0 Report post Posted December 14, 2018 Luckily we have a smart Transportation Minister, Kudos for saying no to SG! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2019 This is getting more ridiculous https://observer.news/featured/heres-the-map-of-the-permanent-restricted-airspace-established-by-malaysia/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted January 19, 2019 How the Malaysia-Singapore tiff is hurting Firefly http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/how-malaysiasingapore-tiff-hurting-firefly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites