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Ethopian Airlines Crashed - Another 737Max


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#21 Craig

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 11:37 AM

CA will substitute their PEK-KUL 7M8 with A330 (currently showing operating 4 weekly flights) and CZ will substitute their CAN-KUL 7M8 with 738NG

 

 

MI is temporarily withdrawing its Max 8 fleet from service

 

It's a little more than that. CAAS is forbidding Max 8 into their airspace 

 

If you like to see the internet's reaction, visit WN and AA (as in American Airlines) social media. Interns are going to be up all night (and poor UA have to tell pax that theirs is Max 9, not Max 8).



#22 flee

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 11:45 AM

It's a little more than that. CAAS is forbidding Max 8 into their airspace


https://www.caas.gov...t-of-singapore/

#23 Craig

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 11:50 AM

It doesn't make the EASA and especially the FAA look good if CAAs around the world start grounding the fleet whilst they let theirs in the air. I imagine they'd succumb to "peer pressure" (sorry for the lack of better word) soon.

 

And AFAIK, only CA, CZ, and MI currently flies the Max 8 to KUL.


Edited by Craig, 12 March 2019 - 11:53 AM.


#24 Mohd Suhaimi Fariz

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 01:36 PM

It doesn't make the EASA and especially the FAA look good if CAAs around the world start grounding the fleet whilst they let theirs in the air. I imagine they'd succumb to "peer pressure" (sorry for the lack of better word) soon.

 

And AFAIK, only CA, CZ, and MI currently flies the Max 8 to KUL.

 

I don't think so, given that the FAA should & would know better seeing as they're the ones who certified it, and has a conduit to the investigation via the NTSB.



#25 Craig

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 01:57 PM

 

I don't think so, given that the FAA should & would know better seeing as they're the ones who certified it, and has a conduit to the investigation via the NTSB.

That's true. Whilst we don't have all the facts in regards to ET302, it looks eerily similar to JT610. And if you have a few large CAAs grounding the jet, it just makes the FAA looks negligent.

 

Grounding the 7M8 or not, I am not going to step foot on this plane (it's pretty easy to avoid for most Malaysians) until a fix is proposed (plus a few more months). And this is coming from a guy who flew MH after the twin tragedies. Caveat: this is coming from a regular pax, not a pilot nor a person who knows much about engines, MCAS etc, but I am aware that air travel is still safer than driving, but when I am given a choice of a self-drive holiday in say Germany or Thailand, I'd choose Germany in a heartbeat. 


Edited by Craig, 12 March 2019 - 02:11 PM.


#26 michgyver

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 02:40 PM

Ethiopian plane smoked, shuddered before deadly plunge

GARA-BOKKA: The Ethiopian Airlines plane that crashed killing 157 people was making a strange rattling noise and trailed smoke and debris as it swerved above a field of panicked cows before hitting earth, according to witnesses.

Flight 302 took off from the Ethiopian capital on Sunday morning bound for Nairobi with passengers from more than 30 countries. All on board the Boeing 737 Max 8 died.

The pilot had requested permission to return, saying he was having problems – but it was too late.

 

Half a dozen witnesses interviewed by Reuters in the farmland where the plane came down reported smoke billowing out behind, while four of them also described a loud sound.

“It was a loud rattling sound. Like straining and shaking metal,” said Turn Buzuna, a 26-year-old housewife and farmer who lives about 300 meters (328 yards) from the crash site.

“Everyone says they have never heard that kind of sound from a plane and they are under a flight path,” she added.

Malka Galato, 47, a barley and wheat farmer whose field the plane crashed in, also described smoke and sparks from the back. “The plane was very close to the ground and it made a turn… Cows that were grazing in the fields ran in panic,” he said.

Tamirat Abera, 25, was walking past the field at the time. He said the plane turned sharply, trailing white smoke and items like clothes and papers, then crashed about 300 meters away.

“It tried to climb but it failed and went down nose first,” he said. “There was fire and white smoke which then turned black.”

As the plane had only just taken off, it was loaded with fuel.

At the site, Red Cross workers in masks sifted gently through victims’ belongings. Children’s books – Dr Seuss’s “Oh The Thinks You Can Think” and “Anne of Green Gables” – lay near a French-English dictionary burnt along one edge.

A woman’s brown handbag, the bottom burnt, lay open next to an empty bottle of perfume.

The aircraft was broken into small pieces, the largest among them a wheel and a dented engine. The debris was spread over land roughly the size of two football fields.

Investigators found two black box recorders on Monday, which will help piece together the plane’s final minutes.

“When it was hovering, fire was following its tail, then it tried to lift its nose,” said another witness, Gadisa Benti. “When it passed over our house, the nose pointed down and the tail raised up. It went straight to the ground with its nose, it then exploded.”

Local resident Nigusu Tesema helped gather victims’ scattered identity papers to hand to police.

 

“We are shocked and saddened,” he said.



#27 Jeremiah Wong

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 05:59 PM

Well, those pro Boeing guys will always downplay this incident.

#28 flee

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 08:06 PM

Well, those pro Boeing guys will always downplay this incident.

Well some blind fan boy-ism is always present - they argue that the Max should not be grounded despite two crashes and the loss of 350+ lives. At the same time, they are shouting for PW engined A320Neos to be grounded even though none has crashed so far.

Boeing blamed Lion Air for the previous crash and did not work too hard to fix the issues found so far. Now that there is a second crash, they cannot simply dismiss it as another "user problem" again.

#29 Craig

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 08:17 PM

Australia's CASA just announced that they too are banning 737 Max into their airspace (like CAAS did). This will only affect FJ as MI is already grounded. Seems like the dominoes are falling - really puts pressure on the FAA and EASA now.



#30 flee

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 08:39 PM

Civil Aviation Authority: All Boeing 737 Max 8 flights to and from Malaysia suspended

See:
https://www.malaymai...alaysia/1731888

#31 David.W

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 09:12 PM

MAB getting 737 later might be a blessing in disguise? (Not having to ground planes)

#32 I. Wong

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 09:35 PM

UK the latest country to ban MAX 8

 

https://twitter.com/...siness-47493634



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Posted 12 March 2019 - 10:09 PM

MI's KUL-SIN route has been badly affected. Following taken from SQtalk forum:

 

FLIGHT CANCELLATIONS FOR 13MAR19:

MI324 from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur, departure 0920hrs, arrival 1020hrs

MI323 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore, departure 1105hrs, arrival 1215hrs

MI326 from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur, departure 1015hrs, arrival 1105hrs

MI325 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore, departure 1155hrs, arrival 1300hrs

MI328 from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur, departure 1250hrs, arrival 1350hrs

MI327 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore, departure 1435hrs, arrival 1535hrs

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Supplementary flights will be mounted by Singapore Airlines between Singapore and Kuala Lumpur in view of the situation:

SQ108 from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur, departure 1250hrs, arrival 1350hrs

SQ109 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore, departure 1435hrs, arrival 1535hrs


Edited by Robert, 12 March 2019 - 10:11 PM.


#34 Chris Tan

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 12:00 AM

Wow. I have not seen SQ108/109 operate for a decade or so.

Looks like a regional A359 operating, for those interested.

#35 flee

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 01:45 AM

EASA suspends all Boeing 737 Max operations in Europe

https://www.easa.eur...erations-europe

#36 Kee Hooi Yen

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 05:02 AM

Off topic : can an airline claim compensation for revenue loss if it is proved that there is design flaw by the manufacturer, or the airline has to bear all the revenue loss ?

Edited by Kee Hooi Yen, 13 March 2019 - 05:03 AM.


#37 Alif A. F.

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 11:11 AM

US pilots reported issues with Boeing 737 Max:

 

https://www.smh.com....313-p513t4.html



#38 JuliusWong

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 06:53 PM

Off topic : can an airline claim compensation for revenue loss if it is proved that there is design flaw by the manufacturer, or the airline has to bear all the revenue loss ?

Yes they can. They need to prove it in court though,since it is not US FAA the one grounding those plane.

This will be another big bill Boeing need to foot after 787 debacle, if proven true.

God, please hopefully 77X does not have same issues as 737max and 787. 425 pax!! Boeing moves from one bowl of hot soup to another...

#39 S V Choong

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 07:50 PM

Yes they can. They need to prove it in court though,since it is not US FAA the one grounding those plane.

This will be another big bill Boeing need to foot after 787 debacle, if proven true.

God, please hopefully 77X does not have same issues as 737max and 787. 425 pax!! Boeing moves from one bowl of hot soup to another...

 

Luckily not even one of the many 787s had fallen from the sky....

 

Then again, Airbus is no angel.


Edited by S V Choong, 13 March 2019 - 07:50 PM.


#40 flee

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 08:05 PM

Luckily not even one of the many 787s had fallen from the sky....

Boeing has a lot to thank ANA and JAL for that. If it wasn't for them grounding the 787, the FAA was still sleeping!




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