KS Ong 1 Report post Posted February 13, 2008 Capt Nik. Thanks for the arrangements. Is Mar 1st a confirmed flying date? Would there be another briefing for the Mar 1st batch? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mohamad nassir 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2008 sorry Capt Nik i wont be able on 23rd hopefully there is another session next time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Yohan 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2008 Hi Capt Nik, how about the 1 March session? or would there only be 1session which is on 23march? I believe some of our members will be in Singapore on 23march for the singapore international air show as its the only time open to public(not all come as trader visitors) regards, -Yohan- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Victor Goh 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2008 Sorry sorry for the very late reply!!! 23rd is ok but the briefing, erm i think i have to skip coz i'm travelling from PEN.. So, see u guys on 23rd!! Thanks a lot Capt Nik!! Victor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted February 14, 2008 wAHH another penang-ite... Wilson you have company! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerry Ang 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2008 Nik, is it too late if i tell u that one of my fren is interested to join as a flyer? He's not an MW member, but he's very keen to join... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meor 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2008 Nik, is it too late if i tell u that one of my fren is interested to join as a flyer? He's not an MW member, but he's very keen to join... Jerry, your GF ka?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chen Tzy Wen 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2008 i think jerry mentioned that his friend is a "he" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted February 16, 2008 Seen Jerry's Frienster Bulletins? KAAKKAKAKAKAK joking Jerry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerry Ang 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2008 "OT Seen Jerry's Frienster Bulletins? KAAKKAKAKAKAK joking Jerry cilaka! LOL....! :rofl: Did not expect u to even read it! hahaha.... I was so bored to receive such fwd bulletins which flood my bulletin board EVERYDAY! All sent by girls who are so bored - nothing to do! So i decided to improvise by modifying them - at least it kills my boredness! But I did say that i was joking, didn't i?? HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: OT" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik H. 3 Report post Posted February 16, 2008 (edited) KS Ong wrote Capt Nik. Thanks for the arrangements. Is Mar 1st a confirmed flying date? Would there be another briefing for the Mar 1st batch? mohd nassir wrote Hi Capt Nik, how about the 1 March session? or would there only be 1session which is on 23march? I believe some of our members will be in Singapore on 23march for the singapore international air show as its the only time open to public(not all come as trader visitors) regards, -Yohan- Sorry but 1st march I have a do for an orphanage. We'll see how 23rd event goes and will plan for another flying session for Mwingers. Jerry ang wrote Nik, is it too late if i tell u that one of my fren is interested to join as a flyer? He's not an MW member, but he's very keen to join... Please post details for consideration as this is a Mwing unofficial event. The Latest Update The Flying Date is confirmed on Saturday, 23rd of February 2008. 1. Wilson 23rd 2. David C 23rd 3. KK Lee 23rd 4. Mohammed Nasir 1st mar 5. Viktor A. 23rd 6. Walter Sim 23rd 7. Diadrian 23rd 8. Azuan Zaidi 23rd 9. Kelvin L 23rd 10. Irni 23rd 11. Jerry Ang 23rd 12. Chen Tzy Wen 23rd 13. Teo Z. Yao 23rd 14. Razlizam 23rd 15. PC Yuen 23rd 16. Meor 23rd 17. Hafizul 23rd 18. Victor Goh 23rd 19. Alan B 1st 20. KS Ong 1st 21 Nicholas 1st 22. Mohd Yohan 1st 23. Kevin Teh 1st 24. TW Teo 1st 25. M. Yohan 1st 26. Saadiah TBC 27. Andy TBC 28. TK TBC 29. LeeCH n/a Event Photographers 1. Norman 23rd 2. Gavin 23rd 3. Chong H.V. 23rd Contributing Photographers 1. Attan 23rd 2. Jonathan Kong N/A Briefing Contributor Capt Norhisham Kassim. (MH B777 Captain) 23rd We will be joined by Major ( RTD ) Zainal Abidin Aidid, a Malaysian DCA Flt Ops Director, who is an old friend of mine going back 37 years. He will do some flying duties on that day. He was formerly based in Kuantan flying the CL41G Tebuan before going on to the F5, based in Kuantan. After that he worked with SME Aviation as the Test Pilot flying and developing the MD3 Aerotiga before joining DCA in his present position. At this moment the tally looks as follows; 18 Flyers, 3 Photographers and 2 Contributor2 ( Total 22 ) are available on the 23rd. 7 Flyers ( Total 6 ) are available on the 1st. 3 Flyers and 1 Contributor ( Total 4 ) are yet to confirm the dates. Another comprehensive post will follow by Tuesday to finalise details for the briefing and for the event. Cheers. Edited February 16, 2008 by Nik H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted February 16, 2008 (edited) "OT cilaka! LOL....! :rofl: Did not expect u to even read it! hahaha.... I was so bored to receive such fwd bulletins which flood my bulletin board EVERYDAY! All sent by girls who are so bored - nothing to do! So i decided to improvise by modifying them - at least it kills my boredness! But I did say that i was joking, didn't i?? HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: OT" :rofl: :rofl: I had nothing to do too that time! nah knew you were joking!! Capt Nik, Do you still need my help for the notes stuff, do give me a notice a day ahead Thanks! Edited February 16, 2008 by Walter Sim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik H. 3 Report post Posted February 16, 2008 :rofl: :rofl: I had nothing to do too that time! nah knew you were joking!! Capt Nik, Do you still need my help for the notes stuff, do give me a notice a day ahead Thanks! Walter, Tuesday is a good day. Call me at my office +60378403331 at about 0930 hrs. TQ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted February 16, 2008 Will do so sir! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Victor Goh 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 Can't wait to fly.. Hehehe.. Bought myself a box of Koko Crunch, came with a free gift of Simulator, quite fun. haha!! Just wondering guys, anyone can drop me at my friend's house at Petaling Jaya after the events (23rd)? Just asking, just in case some1 stays nearby.. Hehe.. See ya all!! Cheers! Victor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 Just curious, Nik. During this flight, I believe even licence-less 'flight participant' gets to handle the controls of the plane. Is this legal? For a car, say, a non-licence holder is not supposed to handle the steering wheel (even L holder needs a licensed instructor next to him/her). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik H. 3 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 Its a dual control aircraft flown under private category. And the Captain or the licensed pilot of the aircraft is still in control of the aircraft and has not relinquished command to the unlicensed participant. Flying is not just about physical control of the aircraft. Its about overall control. Hence it is not illegal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norhisham K 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 Just curious, Nik. During this flight, I believe even licence-less 'flight participant' gets to handle the controls of the plane. Is this legal? For a car, say, a non-licence holder is not supposed to handle the steering wheel (even L holder needs a licensed instructor next to him/her). The mention of "flight participant" is already self explanatory. There are flying clubs offering such flights which they called "introduction flights" for the public to experience first time real flying on light aircrafts and usually it can be costly too. There shall be no full intervention of flight controls by the 'flight participant' inflight and the Commander will be in full control all the time. That is why the preflight briefing is very important. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 ... That is why the preflight briefing is very important. So are you implying this 'preflight briefing' to be as good as a car's L licence already, i.e. allowing a licenceless fellow to handle controls? When I took my driving licence in Aust many2 yrs ago, it was a dual-control car. The instructor next to me had the brake and clutch pedals too. I remember when I tried to dash across a T-junction once, the car did not respond - the instructor grinned at me and said, you would not make it, so I took over. :-) Anyway in a plane is it as 'easy' for the captain to take over if something does not look right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radzi 2 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 Anyway in a plane is it as 'easy' for the captain to take over if something does not look right? "Taking over / Handing over" is one of the first lesson in flying training. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy 1 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 sorry for late reply capt i cant make it on the 23..coz i am on training at that date..well i will be free for the march slot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norhisham K 0 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 So are you implying this 'preflight briefing' to be as good as a car's L licence already, i.e. allowing a licenceless fellow to handle controls? This particular preflight briefing is not for the purpose of making us as good as a car's L license. Not even near to be a student pilot already. There are do's and don'ts to be explained to the participants as well, besides other relevant informations. Please scroll back to Nik's earlier posts and we can see what it is all about. Hope this helps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 This particular preflight briefing is not for the purpose of making us as good as a car's L license. Not even near to be a student pilot already. There are do's and don'ts to be explained to the participants as well, besides other relevant informations. Please scroll back to Nik's earlier posts and we can see what it is all about. Hope this helps. I understand this well, the only thing ironic I find: to handle a car or a bike, one needs legal papers, but to handle a plane, one does not it as long as there is a commander. Btw this story comes to mind: http://edition.cnn.com/US/9604/11/pilot.wrap/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik H. 3 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 I understand this well, the only thing ironic I find: to handle a car or a bike, one needs legal papers, but to handle a plane, one does not it as long as there is a commander. Btw this story comes to mind: http://edition.cnn.com/US/9604/11/pilot.wrap/index.html It seems clear that from the report, weather was the main factor, not experience. In such circumstances, a take off should not even be attempted in the first place. Naim, you should join in and see for yourself just how much safer it is in a dual controlled aircraft as compared to a car having 'L' licensed driver at the controls. In some cases, being licensed to drive is akin to being given a license to kill given the standard of road etiquette here. BTW, the FAA concern that arose following the Jessica accident came to nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted February 17, 2008 (edited) ... Naim, you should join in and see for yourself just how much safer it is in a dual controlled aircraft as compared to a car having 'L' licensed driver at the controls. In some cases, being licensed to drive is akin to being given a license to kill given the standard of road etiquette here. BTW, the FAA concern that arose following the Jessica accident came to nothing. Hehehe ... thanks for invite, Nik, but I'll give it a pass this time. In the good old days, over the huge red desert of central Australia, I once found myself in the flight deck of a cruising 747-200, and we touched the yoke to demo the autopilot. A bit only lah. Btw my concern is more on innocent ppl and properties on the ground. Edited February 17, 2008 by Naim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites