Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted November 6, 2018 The authorities need to do something with Lion Air. Highest incident and accident recorded in Indonesia. I don't think this is a fair representation of Lion Air's record. Prior to this, their last fatal accident was in 2004. And all of their incidents are fairly common occurrence among airlines all over the world, including here in Malaysia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johan Z 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2018 I don't think this is a fair representation of Lion Air's record. Prior to this, their last fatal accident was in 2004. And all of their incidents are fairly common occurrence among airlines all over the world, including here in Malaysia. I think it's more to do with near misses and poor management. "However, it has struggled with issues of safety and poor management and was banned, along with other Indonesian airlines, from flying into European airspace until 2016. Its first deadly accident in 2004 saw 26 people killed and more than 100 injured when a Lion Air plane skidded at an airport in the central Java city of Solo, with the airline blaming bad weather and strong tailwinds. In 2013, a rookie pilot at the controls of a Lion Air plane undershot the runway and landed in the sea off Bali, splitting the plane in two and forcing passengers to swim to safety. Remarkably no one was killed in the accident. Three years later, two Lion Air passenger planes clipped wings as they were about to take off from Jakarta’s main Soekarno-Hatta airport." https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2170738/history-indonesias-lion-air-blighted-deadly-accident-2004 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted November 6, 2018 I don't think this is a fair representation of Lion Air's record. Prior to this, their last fatal accident was in 2004. And all of their incidents are fairly common occurrence among airlines all over the world, including here in Malaysia. It is also premature to blame Lion Air in this case as the cause of the crash is still to be determined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Sing 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2018 past four flights recorded similiar issue on the airspeed indicator, maybe there's some improvement opportunity in the service guidance. may it be Lion's aircraft service SOP, or Boeing technical service handbook. https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/indonesia-46105740 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tktoh 0 Report post Posted November 7, 2018 Another new incident https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/lion-air-plane-wing-torn-in-airport-runway-accident-10906496?cid=fbcna Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted November 7, 2018 Lion Air Crash: Boeing Publishes Bulletin, Warns 737 MAX Operators Of Potential Trim Fault https://airwaysmag.com/industry/lion-air-crash-boeing-warns-737-max-operators-of-potential-trim-fault/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted November 8, 2018 Indonesia conducts special audit on Lion Air https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/indonesia-conducts-special-audit-on-lion-air-453396/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted November 8, 2018 Didn't they just have another minor accident? One of their B737-900ER had just had its Winglet scraped through a lamp post? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) Didn't they just have another minor accident? One of their B737-900ER had just had its Winglet scraped through a lamp post? Yes, but people should not get into a tizzy over it. These things happen all over the world and are quite normal. There isn't a need to sensationalise them. Lately, there were quite a number of ground collisions too - at first world airports involving first world airlines. Human beings operating equipment will always make human errors. Our hope is that these errors do not become serious and fatal and the aviation industry does it best to minimise them. Edited November 8, 2018 by flee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted November 8, 2018 Angle-of-attack sensor replaced before 737 Max crash https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/angle-of-attack-sensor-replaced-before-737-max-crash-453455/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted November 9, 2018 The Hidden Message in Boeing’s Lion Air Service Bulletin http://christinenegroni.com/the-hidden-message-in-boeings-lion-air-service-bulletin/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtemujin 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2018 https://twitter.com/thatjohn/status/1062589840246530048 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted November 22, 2018 JAKARTA, Indonesia The government safety inspector had spent all night at the Makassar airport, in eastern Indonesia, several years ago, poring over a Lion Air jet that had suffered a hydraulic failure. Telling airline employees that the plane was to be grounded until the problem was fixed, the inspector went back to a hotel for a quick shower. When the inspector returned, the plane was on the runway, about to take off. Furious, the inspector demanded that the passengers disembark. But a supervisor with Lion Air explained how the airline had gone over the inspectors head: Federal transportation officials in Jakarta, the Indonesian capital, had given permission for takeoff, the inspector said. The plane was in the air minutes later. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/22/world/asia/lion-air-crash-safety-failures.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted November 22, 2018 Investigators and experts are uncertain why Lion Air Flight 610 plummeted into the Java Sea last month, killing all 189 people on board. But they are focusing on an automatic system designed to keep the plane, a Boeing 737 Max 8, from going into a stall condition. A stall can occur when the planes nose points upward at too great an angle, robbing the craft of the aerodynamic lift that allows it to stay aloft. But if the 737 receives incorrect data on the angle as the same plane did on the flight just before the crash the system designed to save the plane can instead force the nose down, potentially sending it into a fatal dive. The situation in this case is further complicated by Boeings installation of the system, which the company did without explaining it in the new models operating manual. So the pilots might well have been unfamiliar with it. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/world/asia/lion-air-crash-cockpit.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted November 23, 2018 IMHO, Lion Air still has to take a major share of the blame for putting an unserviceable aircraft into service. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted November 27, 2018 Data from the jetliner that crashed into the Java Sea last month shows the pilots fought to save the plane almost from the moment it took off, as the Boeing 737s nose was repeatedly forced down, apparently by an automatic system receiving incorrect sensor readings. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/world/asia/indonesia-lion-air-crash-.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted November 30, 2018 Boeing is weighing plans to launch a software upgrade for its 737 MAX in six to eight weeks that would help address a scenario faced by the Lion Air crew during last month’s deadly crash in Indonesia, two people briefed on the matter said on Thursday. https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2175726/boeing-eyes-software-upgrade-popular-737-model-lion-air Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted November 30, 2018 “Regardless of the outcome, we’re going to learn from this accident and continue to improve our safety record,” Muilenburg told employees in an internal memo. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/29/boeing-ceo-addresses-flight-system-update-after-criticism-pilots/?utm_term=.28c4b9daa06d Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted November 30, 2018 It appears that people who are suing Boeing might have a case.... But I think Lion Air will bear most responsibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 4, 2018 Lion Air ponders cancelling Boeing jets in row over crash PARIS/JAKARTA (Reuters) - Indonesia’s Lion Air is reviewing airplane purchases from Boeing Co and has not ruled out cancelling orders as relations worsen in a spat over responsibility for a 737 jetliner crash that killed 189 people in late October. Co-founder Rusdi Kirana is furious over what he regards as attempts by Boeing to deflect attention from recent design changes and blame Lion Air for the crash, while the airline faces scrutiny over its maintenance record and pilots’ actions. Kirana is examining the possibility of cancelling remaining orders of Boeing jets “from the next delivery,” according to a person familiar with his thinking. Another source close to the airline said it was looking at cancelling orders. No final decision has been made, but discussion over the fate of $22 billion of remaining orders highlights the stakes surrounding an investigation involving Boeing’s fastest-ever selling jet, the 737 MAX, which entered service last year. Lion Air has 190 Boeing jets worth $22 billion at list prices waiting to be delivered, on top of 197 already taken, making it one of the largest U.S. export customers. More: https://in.reuters.com/article/indonesia-crash-orders-idINKBN1O21XA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted December 4, 2018 Didn't they say that the practice at Lion Air is questionable? Especially the way they handle the defective item and allow it to fly soon after replacement being fitted onto the aircraft? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted December 12, 2018 Lion Air Stands Firm on Canceling $22 Billion Boeing Jet Orders See: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-11/lion-air-stands-firm-on-canceling-22-billion-boeing-jet-orders Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted December 27, 2018 In 12 Minutes, Everything Went Wrong How the pilots of Lion Air Flight 610 lost control https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/26/world/asia/lion-air-crash-12-minutes.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Li Ren 2 Report post Posted January 14, 2019 JT610 Cockpit Voice Recorder found. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46860074 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted February 3, 2019 Behind the Lion Air Crash, a Trail of Decisions Kept Pilots in the Dark https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/03/world/asia/lion-air-plane-crash-pilots.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites