jani 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2016 Ataturk will close while Sabiha Gocken will remain once the 3rd airport is open Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakan 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2016 There is no certain plan to close Ataturk Airport when 3rd airport opened but government is very insist about to create for new "shopping malls and recreation area with residences complex". It means Istanbul seems like a "simcity" right now! Too much buildings rising up to sky, everywhere is under construction. A government association TOKI is trying to get under control of this huge precious area from the government and Istanbul mayority. TOKI does for "managed the public-government area" instead of actual duty "to make low end user to residence complex with low cost", nowadays in Istanbul and it is really bother to people about to rising up populations and prices of lands. The most of peoples thinks about to keep Ataturk airport for non-schedule and cargo operations. Also we need a backup airport while waiting a strongly destructive earthquake in Istanbul into 30 years. 3rd airport is too far away from city center but it is not a simple "huge" airport project. 3rd Airport project is connect/related with some "madness projects" belong of former prime minister's Erdogan. So it is not an innocent project. -First of all, airport location is very complicated about weather conditions. Blacksea coasts are very strong windy in most of times the year. -there were "north forest" of Istanbul...but now the most of part destroyed for highways and new residence area. It means, the weather of IStanbul will be change beyond, no more fresh air which is comes from forests. -a new highway is connected with 3rd airport and 3rd bridge where located north of bosphorus. When you build the new highway, you can not stop the civilization along the ways!, much more forest and agriculture area will be destroyed! -there are a plan to make new city around the airport which is name "New IStanbul", almost accomodate 1.5m people more. -another madness project is "canal Istanbul" which is planned from Blacksea coast west of airport and goes to Marmara sea crossed and connected lakes. It does for; closed to vessels traffic of bosphorus. But the problem is, it is not a canal! new huge and crowded residences, offices, shopping malls would be build up along the canal and Istanbul divided 3 parts. Middle parts becomes like as "manhattan". Really idiotic project! Finally, we would be get just only a new airport, we would have a real trouble with the new airport in Istanbul.....Once again we are thinking about to move Malaysia! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2016 Finally, we would be get just only a new airport, we would have a real trouble with the new airport in Istanbul.....Once again we are thinking about to move Malaysia!Wait a moment, am I reading it right that you are considering moving to Malaysia because some "madness projects" in Turkey is bothering you ?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakan 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2016 Wait a moment, am I reading it right that you are considering moving to Malaysia because some "madness projects" in Turkey is bothering you ?! Affirm......but, do you have "madness project" too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Affirm......but, do you have "madness project" too? Yes and yes, Google up 1MDB... and the scandal that came along with it. Thought our Prime Minister is world famous by now? No? Some said, the KL international airport itself is already a "madness project". Quite a lot of project gets done without extensive public consultations too. Moving to Malaysia... might be a case of jumping from one muddy puddle to another muddy puddle...if you get what I mean! Edited January 4, 2016 by S V Choong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakan 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2016 But, KLIA project is a "model airport", how you made an airport properly. Location, transportation, distance from city center, expension plans, terminal designs etc. At least seems like from here. Is there any residental area with airport or airport is only stand alone project in there. I think it's second one. I don't know what you are thinking about Putrajaya, is it an expensive invest by Malaysian people's taxes, is it a logical project according by Malaysian, especially KL's people? Ofcourse I really don't know what kind of social and political problems in Malaysia. We says "drums sounds good from far away" in this situation. I'm sure politicians are the same everywhere. They are expecting too much things from 3rd airport especially passanger counts. It's true, Ataturk airport passanger traffics grows up with Turkish Airlines pushes. I don't know how Turkish Airlines grows much more? It is not logical about speed of growth. They are playing for "transit passanger market" but Istanbul is not a busy junction for transit passangers except carries by Turkish Airlines. Meanwhile, there is no serious transportation solution to new airport! except highway! They are planning a metro-railway line with integrated 3rd bridge (will be completed in 5 months) to Anatolia side (but we don't know where to be end yet) and joined existing a line comes from city center in Europe side. Thats all, I don't know it is enough or not. As you can see airport has 4 parallel runways which are direction north to south (like 18/36 +/- a few degress). Istanbul has sessional winds conditions. The major winds from north to south the most of year but sometimes we have strongly southern winds which is name "Lodos" in Turkish. There is just only one runway (5th runway) for southern winds which is direction west to east! (in normally it must be like 05/23 runways in LTBA) According me, 3rd airport is a bit sauciness. We could handle with near airport Corlu (LTBU)airport. As I said that, behind the 3rd airport, it is a part of huge residental civilisations project with others. Former PM's dreams is; to be a brand city of Istanbul with modern residental areas (also precious lands), new airports and "new Istanbul". The canal divide The Istanbul and middel part become "manhattan" like a new precious living area where the place to be need more taxes and pay for priviliged life! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alif A. F. 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2016 Do you mean that the upcoming Istanbul's 3rd airport will not have any more room for expansion after current construction? What about Sabiha Gokcen? Airlines like EK are expanding there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted January 5, 2016 Wait a moment, am I reading it right that you are considering moving to Malaysia because some "madness projects" in Turkey is bothering you ?! Meninggal. :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hakan 2 Report post Posted January 5, 2016 Do you mean that the upcoming Istanbul's 3rd airport will not have any more room for expansion after current construction? What about Sabiha Gokcen? Airlines like EK are expanding there. Not much like that but probably the same destiny will be waiting for 3rd airport; a lot of buildings near of airport! They would be completed the project like as planned, runways, terminals etc. First phase and runway will be operational in middle of 2018 and will be fully completed until 2020. They don't have any preventation about keeping distance residences area or non-civilization area around the airport. The land prices rised up like as rocket almost +%500~+%1000 (yes it's true, 5 or 10times more). It means, those lands will be turn on constructions. I don't have a positive hope to keep green. There are a lot of question marks. The best side; When completed new airport, Turkish Airlines deals with A380 operators or give orders to Airbus at least 10 plane. Ahh....a political issues, ofcourse if Turkish airlines orders A380, they must be orders B748 to Boeing.....like as everytime! almost the same orders for "balance" politics. Gökcen airport's 2nd runway will start up this year as we expected. Honestly I'm really curious how they will do?!? 15 years ago, ther were empty area, no buildings or residental areas! After opened Gokcen Airport, there were crowded suddenly. They had need to expropriation much for getting room for 2nd runway! After it will done, gokcen airports looks like much better. The pictures is not include that new planned residental areas around the field. Some of them locate near of end of 2nd runway! translate; HABOM= it's a technical facilities by Turkish Airlines (still operative) YENI PIST= new runway YENI KULE=new tower uydu terminaller= remote/satellite terminals mevcut terminal= existing terminal Terminal yapilacak=planned new terminal Yol yer altina aliniyor= existing surface road will be underway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted January 18, 2016 Bump! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
