Naim 6 Report post Posted May 4, 2006 Latest from armenialiberty.org ... 4 May 2006 (GI-Photolur photo: A Russian rescue worker stands at Sochi port dock next to the tail of the Armavia Airbus A320 plane.) Georgian Air Controllers ‘Told Armenian Plane To Turn Back’ By Heghine Buniatian, Armen Dilanian in Prague and Ruzanna Khachatrian in Sochi The crew of the Armenian airliner that crashed into the Black Sea on Wednesday were warned by Georgian ground controllers against landing in southern Russia due to stormy weather shortly before the disaster, officials in Tbilisi said on Thursday. Officials at Georgia’s state air navigation service claimed that the Armenian pilots heeded the warning but then decided to proceed to the Russian resort city of Sochi after receiving clearance from Russian air traffic controllers. “The plane remained in Georgia’s territory for about one hour and twenty minutes,†a spokeswoman for the service, Tea Godabadze, told RFE/RL from Tbilisi. “We informed the crew that the weather in Sochi is unfavorable and the crew decided to turn back. But twenty minutes later, when the plane reached [the western Georgian city of] Kutaisi, they told us, ‘Wait a minute, we are getting different information from [the southern Russian city] of Rostov.’†“They were apparently told from Rostov that the weather is good,†she said. “The commander of the aircrew bade us farewell at about three o’clock in the morning Yerevan time (2200 GMT) and even said, ‘Will talk to you in an hour,’†added Godabadze. “They were planning to return to Yerevan immediate after [arriving in Sochi]. We passed the plan on to the Rostov traffic controllers and it disappeared 15 minutes later.†... CONTINUE READING AT http://snipurl.com/q17x Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted May 4, 2006 Interesting read: what will YOU do when you were captain of this flight (bearing in mind these 105 passengers wanted and paid for to go to Sochi)and received these contradicting information ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin Yii 0 Report post Posted May 4, 2006 very true Pieter...no one had thought of an incident due to bad weather could be this serious..since IFR rules been created and Airbus + FLY BY WIRE.... bad luck is all i can say.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamizi Hj Tamby 1 Report post Posted May 5, 2006 Latest from armenialiberty.org ... 4 May 2006 (GI-Photolur photo: A Russian rescue worker stands at Sochi port dock next to the tail of the Armavia Airbus A320 plane.) Georgian Air Controllers ‘Told Armenian Plane To Turn Back’ By Heghine Buniatian, Armen Dilanian in Prague and Ruzanna Khachatrian in Sochi The crew of the Armenian airliner that crashed into the Black Sea on Wednesday were warned by Georgian ground controllers against landing in southern Russia due to stormy weather shortly before the disaster, officials in Tbilisi said on Thursday. Officials at Georgia’s state air navigation service claimed that the Armenian pilots heeded the warning but then decided to proceed to the Russian resort city of Sochi after receiving clearance from Russian air traffic controllers. “The plane remained in Georgia’s territory for about one hour and twenty minutes,†a spokeswoman for the service, Tea Godabadze, told RFE/RL from Tbilisi. “We informed the crew that the weather in Sochi is unfavorable and the crew decided to turn back. But twenty minutes later, when the plane reached [the western Georgian city of] Kutaisi, they told us, ‘Wait a minute, we are getting different information from [the southern Russian city] of Rostov.’†“They were apparently told from Rostov that the weather is good,†she said. “The commander of the aircrew bade us farewell at about three o’clock in the morning Yerevan time (2200 GMT) and even said, ‘Will talk to you in an hour,’†added Godabadze. “They were planning to return to Yerevan immediate after [arriving in Sochi]. We passed the plan on to the Rostov traffic controllers and it disappeared 15 minutes later.†... CONTINUE READING AT http://snipurl.com/q17x Looks like the pilots were confused,because there are different informations given by Tblisi and Rostov.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Attan 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2006 There could be many things wrong that day: 1. Communication/language problem? 2. Radio/weather effects on radio problem? 3. Fast weather changes from good to bad? 4. Running low on fuel? 5. No weather radar? Under normal circumstances, the crew would be constantly talking to the controllers on the weather conditions. However, the message regarding good weather was received from Rostov which could be a long way from Sochi. If that's really the case, they should have exercised more caution. I would describe this as an unfortunate accident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth K 3 Report post Posted May 5, 2006 (edited) The crews seem confused, but I doubt that, they know what they doing. Weather is the main point I suggest. The plane did try several approaches, and crashed 6 miles off runway at 0215 local. Eventually, the plane crashed because of the weather( I don't think there are other reasons can cause crash shortly before landing) and the Russian controllers also played the main key as they give them clearance. Controller don't concern about the weather or just take it easy? Let's wait for the investigation Edited May 5, 2006 by Seth K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted May 5, 2006 Guess, guys, Armavia lost another A320 last night, due to a big hangar fire at BRU airport (SN Technics): "Not confirmed... but possibly destroyed A330-300 SN Brussels A320 Armavia a Volare aircraft a C-130" Think, they had 4 of these, and fleet now reduced to 2 aircraft only Won't be seeing them at AMS no more in the near future, I think, as "no aircraft available" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Attan 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2006 Sorry to hear that. It's really tragic coming after the crash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth K 3 Report post Posted May 5, 2006 (edited) Damaged: A320 HellasJet SX-BVB A320 Armavia EK-32010 Destroyed: 1 C-130 of the Belgian Airforce-go buy A400 then EC-HUK The scene at Dublin at 2100 local time when Iberia Airbus A320 EC-HUK was about to depart on the evening flight to Madrid, ATC noticed a fire from the APU and the flight was stopped on the runway. Passengers used the emergency Chutes to exit the aircraft Edited May 5, 2006 by Seth K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted May 6, 2006 LATEST ... (note the Belgium connection) .ny +++ 18:23 05.05.2006 Permanent news address: http://www.regnum.ru/english/635726.html Witness: A-320 crew reported on fuel problems to air-traffic controller “The airbus did not fuel, to be more precise, it fuelled only on paper. As it is usually done, they put it done that they filled in 10 tons, but took less,†representative of the Armenian Community of Sochi Grach Makeyan is quoted as saying by Yerevan Aravot newspaper. According to him, the official version about bad weather conditions is unfounded. “We were standing near the air traffic controller, when he was in touch with the crew, who informed that they were having problems with fuel. The air traffic controller said ‘the crew started landing, its time to prey’.†As REGNUM earlier reported, official sources ruled out the version that the plane ran out of fuel for landing in Adler Airport. According to head of the Civil Aviation Department Artyom Movsisyan, the airbus was filled in with 10 tons of fuel, and for a flight to Sochi only 3.5 tons were enough. Head of Armavia to which the A-320 belonged, Mikhail Bagdasarov also insists that “in April the airbus was subjected to major repair in Belgium and was filled in with 10 tons of fuel.†=== Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherman 0 Report post Posted May 6, 2006 R.I.P. hope the airline still can survive after this two incident... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Smith 1 Report post Posted May 7, 2006 These tragic losses are echoed around the other side of the world. EK-32010 was also an ex-AN bird, VH-HYS. Its sad to think, but early speculation and some simple logic seem to think this second tragic event is a "too convenient" and coincidental. My condolences to everyone affected by these tragic events. It certainly makes myself personally reflect, as all my early childhood prior to the tagic loss of what will always be my favourite airline, I had no other passion other than to one take the reigns of an Ansett A320-211 "Skystar" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth K 3 Report post Posted May 7, 2006 Good to see the plane rego start with EK............sure the next Imran favourite airline The airline will survive but public may not belief in this airline unless official says the crash is not cause from the airline. It's all lease, so they can get on their feet back...ILFC is good to go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
