S V Choong 4 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) For Adrian, Dante and every other Fokker F-27/F-50 fans: Just thought I should start another thread regarding the different variations of Fokker F-27s. If you know of any F-50 variations post it here too. It is often said that Fokker F-27s are supposed to be the post war replacement of the infamous Douglas DC-3s. Fokker F-27-100 Fokker F-27-200 Fokker F-27-300 Fokker F-27-400 Fokker F-27-500 Fokker F-27-600 Fairchild F-27 Fairchild F-27 was manufactured in the USA under licence of Fokker Netherlands. May be the Americans thought the name Fokker sounded rude in their lingo.... Who knows? Fairchild F-27 http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1001933/L/ The initial Fokker F-27s have shorter nose.... which MSA had a few of these F-27-100 examples. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0008005/M/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0362939/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0269646/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0822988/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0101806/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0103397/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0103396/L/ MAS' Fokker F-27 was the Fokker F-27-500 series with large cargo hold door. Ex-MAS Fokker F-27s are still with Federal Express in the US as cargo a/c. Small Cargo hold: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0927585/L/ Large Cargo hold: (MAS opted for this version) http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0909616/L/ Edited February 12, 2006 by S V Choong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YiHao 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 does anyone know MH own how many F27 before? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian M 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) Hmm...so far I know theres 6 of them. F50 with F27 body n window. (F50 prototypes) F50 with 1 rear service door. (Ex-RBA) F50 with PW127B engines F50 normal version (PW125B) F50 Freighter version (Converted from pax version with a large front cargo door! Eek!) F50 Modifided Cockpit (Pelangi's) Dunno is this considered as one. Edited February 12, 2006 by Adrian M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian M 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 Choong, good effort!! i didnt know the fokker 27 got short nose. damn cute... hehe. i think the small cargo door looks nicer than the big ones. good effort by the way. thanx. Adrian, also good collection of available F50 configurations. isnt the F50 cargo know as F60? or is that different? the modified cockpit i dont think can count as different config because its not that different, just a few system items, probably customer preference... Nope. It's originally F50 pax but been convert to a freighter with front cargo door. Before Convertion: After Convertion: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian M 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 Yeah hehe I think maybe from the front right service door or maybe the staircase has move over the other side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 Adrian, thats interesting. actually, they should just have used the Fokker 60 as it comes wit the front cargo door. hmmm... interesting. i wonder how the ppl get in the aircraft? from the cargo door? The Fokker 60 was specifically made for the Royal Netherlands Air Force with the sizeable front-cargo door, so that spare F16 engines could be transported all-over the place (where need be), as far as I know, she does have a pax-door at the rear cabin; the Cargo Fokker F50 is purely a cargo-version, hence no pax-door in the front part of the fuselage, and was "marketed" for FedEx and/or UPS (Note: FedEx used a lot of Friendship's these days)... Did you know, KLM cityhopper is repainting their "old" F50's now into the new KLC colours ? Personally, I think it really looks fabulous on the 50 and will outline her sleek lines even more: 1st to be repainted was PH-LXJ (check A.net for photo-shots)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 hmmm, Rekkof? sound like Rip-off... hehe... how nice it would have been if Fokker Company didnt close down before... btw, before we get really OFF TOPIC, i think we should transfer this subject to the newly created F27/F50 thread by Choong. SEE YA THERE... OK, Dante, let's continue here... Rekkof is the reverse of Fokker; the Fokker name cannot be used anymore (for legal reasons), so that's why they choose the "reverse" name... It will be extremely costly to re-start these "new" series of 70 and 100 aircraft variants; Shorts/Belfast used to build the wings and is now part of Bombardier, so these chances of building them are nil...maybe, production can be placed in Russia or China ? Air France-KLM, and better, the KLM part is VERY much interested in the new F70/100 plane: the present models are very sturdy and can be flown for many, many years to come (high rotation/landing allowances).. Especially, the F70 is liked by the passengers: although it's a "regional" jet, if offers narrow-body comfort (not like the CRJ or E170); also, it overpowered because it shares the same 650 engines as the F100 (but has 21-23 less seats)... Hope, indeed, the Rekkof story will materialize, although I doubt it, for start-up costs are enormous !!! They should, at least, win >100 orders before (re)start production... Indeed, shame on the Dutch government to pull the plug on the Fokker factories: both Embraer and Bombardier would have had a tough job in the regional market nowadays !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 Dante, Because of the delay of re-starting this production, there are now rumours, AF-Regional will "shift" their F70 and F100 fleet to KL-cityhopper effective 2007; Regional will, in that case, operate new E170/190 aircraft; it will boost KLC's Fokker-jet fleet from 39 to over 60 !!! (sigh, even more work for me )... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 Looks like there is still a Left side rear door of the F-50 Freighter for crew access. I am going to try and fly the F-50s from TWU to BKI later this year! It is not easy as I have to time my flight to suit the BKI-HKG MH 734 flight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian M 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2006 Dante, Because of the delay of re-starting this production, there are now rumours, AF-Regional will "shift" their F70 and F100 fleet to KL-cityhopper effective 2007; Regional will, in that case, operate new E170/190 aircraft; it will boost KLC's Fokker-jet fleet from 39 to over 60 !!! (sigh, even more work for me )... Looks like Fokker birds finally heading back home coutry after spending most of it's life at foreign land. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted February 14, 2006 Pieter, thats alot of Fokkers you gonna be having there. well, at least its in good hands... btw, a bit of topic. does KLM and AF co-operate alot in terms of operations, just like what you've mentioned? Dante, the answer is YES: more and more schedules are integrated, like CCS going to AF and JKT going to KL...this will happen more and more in the future, and equipment will be swapped aswell in the future...also, on the technical field, AF and KL will cooperate closer and closer (synergies), like KL will do "heavy" checks on AF 737's and AF will do the same on KL 330's...rumours are, 777 will be maintained by AF, but the GE80 engines by KL... Don't forget, it's an one company/ two airlines/ three business set-up (passengers/cargo/maintenance)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted February 20, 2006 Dante, Adrian and Pieter, Here you are, the oldest flying Fokker F-27 and first production F-27 as well.... Still flying!! Banzai..... http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0912859/L/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian M 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2006 (edited) I like the blue-white-blue stripes over at the propeller ^^. Very vibrant all I can say. A great beauty. Hv u seen some pics of Netherlands Air Force flying a F27 with one engine running and doing 360 degrees roll? Netherlanders really know how to operate their own planes where nobody can. Edited February 20, 2006 by Adrian M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Attan 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2006 What a beauty! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth K 3 Report post Posted February 20, 2006 For some reasons, I think F-50 looks better than F-27 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted February 20, 2006 What a beauty! Agree with you here, bro Attan: and even better - it's based at Lelystad airport (EHLE), only 18 miles from my home !!! (Schiphol airport btw is 28 miles away)... She was "found" in Australia and flown over to her roots in 2004...the oldest lady still flying around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 Just wondering if the fokker's propellers rotate in same direction or opposite direction? What about jet engines, same direction or opposite? I like both F-27 and F-50s But the nose gear of F-27 sure is unique! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adrian M 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 Adrian, 360 in a F27 with one engine? Can ka? Got the video Gawd where have u been bro? U totally missed the action here in MW (And Azahan wearing MSPaint up rosey bra ) As for F27, no video but the next best thing is pictures. All on A.net http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0712553/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0319470/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0313505/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0313504/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0312807/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0312806/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0204911/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0146753/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0239776/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0024394/L/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0306789/L/ Enjoy PS: Fly your F50 on your last day in BKI like this. LOL Bwahahaha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 i didn't know fokker can do tat? haha!! with one engine somemore! too much man... maybe the engine 'tuned' oredy? Dante, Have seen this RNAF F27 "show" many times at the yearly "open day" many times; can still smell the Diesel in my nostrils They would climb up steep and make a left bank/turn with more than 90 degrees, making it look like a loop, but was actually a > 90 degree bank/turn at the top...also, they would descent to 200-300 feet, and switch off one engine to idle and make a 90 degree bank at that altitude: fond memories - it really shows how sturdy this Friendship was Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Attan 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2006 I'm impressed! What an aircraft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Attan 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 There are some maneouvres that look dangerous but actually do not impose much G on the aircraft. On the other hand some simple looking maneouvres such as a run-and-pitch can pull many G's. If the aircraft is well below its MLW and the G's are not pulled too high, I think many stunts can be carried out safely. Instead of tweaking the engines' performance up, one can also increase the entry speed into the maneouvre by starting with a shallow dive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radzi 2 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 Just wondering if the fokker's propellers rotate in same direction or opposite direction? What about jet engines, same direction or opposite? Normally for turbine engine the turning direction is the same for all engines. I haven't heard of a contra-rotating turboprop yet. Are there any out there? However, there are a few contra-rotating turboprops, with 2 propellers on a common axis. The Russian Bear is an example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Imran K. 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) Normally for turbine engine the turning direction is the same for all engines. I haven't heard of a contra-rotating turboprop yet. Are there any out there? However, there are a few contra-rotating turboprops, with 2 propellers on a common axis. The Russian Bear is an example. The Russian TU114 is also an example of this... Edited February 23, 2006 by Imran K. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 Normally for turbine engine the turning direction is the same for all engines. I haven't heard of a contra-rotating turboprop yet. Are there any out there? However, there are a few contra-rotating turboprops, with 2 propellers on a common axis. The Russian Bear is an example. Thanks Radzi. I was wondering about this for a long time already! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted February 23, 2006 Pieter, it really is one sturdy aircraft. it really shows how good the F27 was and still is today i still wonder though if they've used a different type or tuned engine for their F27? At the time, they used normal operational F27's (different rego's at different airshows)... The Russian TU114 is also an example of this... don't forget the "almighty" AN-22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
