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[S V Choong]

Will we soon be able to fly Australia to London DIRECT? Qantas predicts non-stop 18-hour flights to Europe 'within a year' after taking delivery of new Dreamliners

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Sorry but it looks like this will spell the end of the Kangaroo route stop over thing that many were keen to tap on.

[JuliusWong]

I wonder what is the obsession of Qantas flying non stop from Australia to UK directly, surely 18 hours on along metal tube is killing.....

[flee]

Wait till you see how much it will cost....

[JuliusWong]

I won't hold my breath tbh, next everyone wants to fly the longest long haul.....to planet Pluto......

[Sharil Abdul Rahman]

Wait till you see how much it will cost....

Sounds so like a clickbait title   

I wonder what is the obsession of Qantas flying non stop from Australia to UK directly, surely 18 hours on along metal tube is killing.....

Many would like to have a single trip than multiple stop trip to Queen's land, from Queensland.

[JuliusWong]

Sounds so like a clickbait title   

Many would like to have a single trip than multiple stop trip to Queen's land, from Queensland.

Hahahas, burning you butt on Y class 18 hours ain't a good experience....lolx..

 

Alan Joyce made it very clear they want the lonegst long haul title back after SQ launches SIN-SFO non-stop. They failed to realise ULR market profit margin is very very thin........

Edited by JuliusWong, 16 August 2016 - 11:06 AM.

[KK Lee]

Hahahas, burning you butt on Y class 18 hours ain't a good experience....lolx..
 
Alan Joyce made it very clear they want the lonegst long haul title back after SQ launches SIN-SFO non-stop. They failed to realise ULR market profit margin is very very thin........

Longer non stop flight is a natural progression in air travel. Similar argument could be said about 744 non stop from sin to lhr years ago.

Edited by KK Lee, 16 August 2016 - 11:34 AM.

[Mulyadir Fitri]

ME3 can counter them with pricing. So no, kangaroo route is still very much alive

[jani]

I think if you are sitting in the front-end of the plane, a non-stop is more appealing. But otherwise anything above 12 hours is a little bit too long

[S V Choong]

ME3 can counter them with pricing. So no, kangaroo route is still very much alive

 

My my...  aren't we a negative bunch?  It is too early to say.  I would very much glad to see an alternative choice for travelers who are sick of transiting.  

[Isaac]

ME3 can counter them with pricing. So no, kangaroo route is still very much alive

  
My my...  aren't we a negative bunch?  It is too early to say.  I would very much glad to see an alternative choice for travelers who are sick of transiting.

Fitri sounds very positive actually. And he is probably right. Transiting via the Middle-east is actually longer than transiting via Southeast Asian cities when getting from Australia to Europe. Yet that hasn't stopped price sensitive travelers to choose to transit in the Middle-east.

[Josh T]

I'm pretty sure those proposed ULR flights from Australia to LHR will have half of the cabin as J and a a quarter as F with the remaining cabin as W. Needs to be high yield for it to be profitable.

[Sandeep G]

if the plans are true, they still have to transit if their origin or destination is anything east of Perth.

[flee]

My my...  aren't we a negative bunch?  It is too early to say.  I would very much glad to see an alternative choice for travelers who are sick of transiting.  

 

Alan Joyce himself did not sound that positive when interviewed by CNN's Richard Quest at a recent CAPA conference. He said that before non stop flights can happen, lots of things have to be in place. I am not sure if QF want to waste its slots at LHR with low density, premium heavy B789 flights.

I'm pretty sure those proposed ULR flights from Australia to LHR will have half of the cabin as J and a a quarter as F with the remaining cabin as W. Needs to be high yield for it to be profitable.

 

Yes, it will be similar to what SQ will be doing to the A350s for their ULH flights from SIN to the US. Low density, premium heavy seating will be necessary to make the routes profitable.

if the plans are true, they still have to transit if their origin or destination is anything east of Perth.

 

Yes, that was why Alan Joyce was lukewarm about the idea. Ideally, it should be LHR-SYD or LHR-MEL non stop. For that to happen, he will need the A350-900 LR aircraft. But it will be a long, long 21 hour flight!

[JuliusWong]

Fitri sounds very positive actually. And he is probably right. Transiting via the Middle-east is actually longer than transiting via Southeast Asian cities when getting from Australia to Europe. Yet that hasn't stopped price sensitive travelers to choose to transit in the Middle-east.

Throw is a two to three hours complimentary tours, everyone will be head over heels.

 

I'm pretty sure those proposed ULR flights from Australia to LHR will have half of the cabin as J and a a quarter as F with the remaining cabin as W. Needs to be high yield for it to be profitable.

100 J seats like what SQ did previously will solve the issue. SQ enjoyed good load before A345 ULR was cancelled. 

[geoff.leo]

Qantas will have to sort out their operations at Perth for this route to work.

 

Qantas' Perth domestic operations currently sit at Terminal 4, west of the airfield. The international terminal (Terminal 1) sits east of the airfield.

 

Anyone who knows Perth's layout will know this is going to be a nightmare for feeder traffic from Qantas' domestic and regional (Q-link) services.

 

For this route to work, Qantas would have to convince the authorities to allow international operations at Terminal 1. Qantas only has one international route out of Perth (to Singapore) at present and so this would be easy to move. This would require some works at Terminal 1 for CIQ facilities, segregation of international / domestic pax flow, etc. This will take time and as we know from all things aviation in the West, things move at snail's pace when it comes to planning, approval, etc.

 

Still, it is the easier option. The other option would be to move all of Qantas' operations to T1/T2 but the infrastructure there is inadequate for Qantas at present.

 

So, unless Qantas can convince the WA and federal governments for funding and authorisation for Option 1, I doubt they will launch this route.

 

And if they do with the current layout, one is better off connecting through the Middle East or elsewhere.

[flee]

 

– Shortest and fastest version of the Kangaroo Route in its 70 year history

– First direct link between Australia and Europe, using WA as a hub

– Qantas Dreamliner designed to offer improved comfort on long haul flights

 

Qantas is set to add to its list of aviation firsts, with the national carrier confirming it will operate non-stop flights from Perth to London using the 787-9 Dreamliner.

 

The 14,498 kilometre service will be the first regular passenger service to directly link Australia with Europe when it begins in March 2018.

 

Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce said the history-making route would be a watershed for travel, tourism and trade.

 

“When Qantas created the Kangaroo Route to London in 1947, it took four days and nine stops. Now it will take just 17 hours from Perth non-stop.

 

“This is a game-changing route flown by a game-changing aircraft. Australians have never had a direct link to Europe before, so the opportunities this opens up are huge.

 

“It’s great news for travellers because it will make it easier to get to London. It’s great news for Western Australia because it will bring jobs and tourism. And it’s great news for the nation, because it will bring us closer to one of our biggest trade partners and sources of visitors.”

Mr Joyce said passenger comfort on the long flight was a key consideration.

 

“When we designed the interior of our 787s, we wanted to make sure passengers would be comfortable on the extended missions the aircraft was capable of.

 

“That’s why we have features in our Economy seats that other airlines reserve for Premium Economy. Our Business Suite has been nicknamed ‘mini First class’ by many of our frequent flyers. And we’re redesigning our on-board service to help reduce jetlag,” he added.

 

The enhanced Qantas cabin design is in addition to the comfort factors that Boeing built in to the Dreamliner – improved air quality, lower cabin noise and technology to reduce turbulence.

 

Mr Joyce said the direct route is expected to appeal to travellers on the East Coast as well as West Australians, helping to deliver a tourism boost.

 

“A direct flight makes travelling to Australia a much more attractive proposition to millions of people. We expect many travellers from Europe will start their time in Australia with a visit to Perth before going on to see other parts of the country.

 

“Our modelling shows that people from the East Coast as well as South Australia would fly domestically to Perth to connect to our non-stop London service. Some will take the opportunity to break their journey, whether it’s for business meetings in Perth, to holiday or to visit family.”

 

The new flight will operate through Qantas’ existing domestic terminals (T3/4), which will be upgraded to accommodate international flights. The airline’s current international services from Perth (to Singapore and to Auckland) will also move to this terminal, helping to simplify the journey for thousands of people every year. Qantas will move its operations to an expanded Terminal 1 at Perth Airport by 2025, pending a commercial agreement.

 

“We’ll be looking at the timing of our domestic flights through Perth to offer the best connections we can to our international flights, particularly given they will all be under the one roof,” added Mr Joyce.

 

“I’d like to acknowledge the support of the West Australian Government and Perth Airport in helping make this service a reality.”

 

Seats on the Perth-London flights will go on sale in April 2017 for the first services in March 2018. The Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners used on the route will carry 236 passengers across Business, Premium Economy and Economy cabins.

 

FAST FACTS – PERTH TO LONDON

 

– The 14,498km flight will take approximately 17 hours (slightly more or less depending on winds).

– When it launches, is expected to be the third-longest passenger flight in the world.

– Longest flight on the Qantas network, followed by our non-stop A380 Sydney-Dallas service (13,730km).

– Will be the longest Boeing Dreamliner flight in the world.

– The first regular passenger service from Australia to Europe adds to Qantas’ list of flying firsts, including:

 

o First passenger jet services across the Pacific in 1959 with a B707.

o First (and only) non-stop passenger flight from London to Sydney in 1989 with a B747-400.

o First to operate the world’s largest passenger aircraft (A380) on the world’s longest route (Sydney-Dallas) in 2014.

 

– Perth was also used as a stopover on flights to London between the 1940s and 1960s.

– In 2015, Qantas operated a one-off B747-400 charter flight from Perth to Istanbul to take Australians to the Centenary of Anzac at Gallipoli – the last time the national carrier flew from Australia to Europe non-stop.

 

http://www.qantasnew...erth-to-london/

 

Perth Airport and Qantas reach agreement on the 787-9 Dreamliner direct service from Perth to London

 

Perth Airport and Qantas have reached agreement on the use of Terminal 3 (T3) to facilitate the operation of the non-stop iconic service from Perth to London, on the airline’s new state-of-the-art Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft.

 

The direct flight is an exciting opportunity for Perth Airport, Qantas and Western Australia in the development of Perth as a Western Hub and a gateway to the United Kingdom.

 

Perth Airport and Qantas will work to ensure that the T3 facilities are upgraded to allow for commencement of the direct flight to London from 2018.

 

The State Government has also contributed $14 million towards the infrastructure and fit out required as part of the upgraded T3 facilities.

 

The agreement ensures that the overall customer experience at Perth Airport is not diminished particularly for the 4.3 million passengers processed every year through the existing Terminal 1 (T1) International.

 

Perth Airport and Qantas will work closely with all relevant government departments at a State and Federal level to ensure the ongoing delivery of high standards of customer experience, for both the new route as well as existing flights.

 

Today’s announcement will help to facilitate the eventual consolidation of all commercial air services into one precinct, Airport Central.  As part of the arrangement to upgrade T3 for the direct international service, Qantas has made an in-principal agreement to move all of their domestic and international services to a new terminal at Airport Central by 31 December 2025.

 

Perth Airport looks forward to working with Qantas to ensure the opportunities from this exciting proposal are realised and that the significant investments already made and proposed to be made at the airport support the long-term sustainability of the new service and future routes.

 

Perth Airport and Qantas are committed to the ongoing improvement of Perth Airport, which saw it win both the prestigious Australian Airports Association ‘Capital City Airport of the Year’ Award and the Skytrax ‘World Airport Award – Best Airport Staff Service Asia/ Pacific Region’ for 2016.

 

 

Perth Airport key facts                                                                                                                      

• Passenger movements – In FY16, 4.3 million passengers travelled through Terminal 1 (T1) International.
• The State Government will contribute $14 million towards the upgrade of T3 to accommodate international services.
• The proposed Perth to London direct service will accommodate approximately 150,000 passengers per year.
• Qantas and Perth Airport are committed to the eventual consolidation of all Qantas’ commercial air services into the Airport Central precinct by 31 December 2025.
• Perth Airport is committed to working with all of its Airline partners by providing a welcoming and iconic entry statement into Western Australia combined with a superior customer experience.
• Passenger access to Perth Airport has been greatly enhanced by the completion of Gateway WA, the $1 billion road project funded by the Commonwealth and Western Australian Governments, as well as the development of the $2 billion Forrestfield-Airport Link which will provide direct access to T1 International via an Airport train station located adjacent to T1.

 

 

This statement should be attributed to Kevin Brown, Chief Executive Officer, Perth Airport. 

http://www.perthairp...reach-agreement

[Tamizi Hj Tamby]

Wow; now that's one long flight. So they're flying to London-Heathrow?

[KK Lee]

Mean yield on one stop kangaroo route e.g via kul, sin, hkg, dxb, Bkk, etc will be lowered.

[RaymondT]

17 hours in Y on a 9 abreast 787? No thank you.
 

But one can see the appeal of not having to transit. Saves lots of time and also movements, unloading reloading of bag etc.

 

Mean yield on one stop kangaroo route e.g via kul, sin, hkg, dxb, Bkk, etc will be lowered.

 

But then this is only for Perth. So if Perth is their final stop, they would do so.

But if they're going to the east coast cities, they will still have one stop. So it's still better to be on a more comfortable plane, especially on Y like Emirates's A380.

Edited by RaymondT, 11 December 2016 - 10:16 PM.