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MAS KUL-PVG-KUL MH388/389 delays


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#1 Benjamin Ho

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 05:20 PM

What's wrong with MAS on this route?  massive delays for past few days.  Worried my wife's return flight is gonna be delayed.



#2 Walter Sim

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 05:31 PM

The famous flow control I would say. Air traffic control delays, nothing much the airline can do about it.



#3 Sandeep G

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 05:35 PM

All airlines facing flow control between South East Asia and China... not looking forward to my back to back PEK and PVG flights in August

#4 Mushrif A

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 05:53 PM

What's wrong with MAS on this route?  massive delays for past few days.  Worried my wife's return flight is gonna be delayed.


SQ too facing similar issues on the PVG route. Not specific to MH.

#5 Benjamin Ho

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:31 PM

some day it retimed from 8.40am to 2pm, that's pretty massive



#6 Arthur W.

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 07:33 PM

Yes China air traffic is notorious.

I once had a 6 hour wait sitting inside the plane, just awaiting for pushback clearance. Dragonair HKG to PVG.



#7 BC Tam

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 08:26 PM

Is this 'flow control' thing an issue that is likely to persist ?

Seeking advice since Nic has a 2:15 transit at CAN coming mid Sept and the scheduled flight time of 3:15 from BKI doesn't seem to have much padding for any potential ATC delays  :)



#8 David.W

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 10:08 PM

Why is there so much delay? China ATC can't cope?

#9 Chris Tan

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 12:34 AM

Why is there so much delay? China ATC can't cope?

It's usual for airspace restrictions to be in force due to the priority accorded to the military

#10 Amirul Mazlan

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 02:50 AM

Thats why i hate flying into China. Flow control is one thing, it's so jurassic in these days. Too egoistic military mentality coupled with boom in commercial aviation. They just cant move on with times, in terms of freeing up airspace for civil control and use.

#11 Alif A. F.

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 05:51 AM

So, is this the reason when flights begin to enter mainland China, the routes become zig-zag?

I have seen so many of them in FR24, where so many large detours occur when you can reach that destination in just a straight line.

And is that the reason why certain flights like JT2633 from DPS have to stop at BKI before continuing on to XIY when non-stop journey could have been done?

#12 Sandeep G

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 06:15 AM

Mainland China has very few Entry and exit points - and airlines must have approval to operate at the various entry points and accompanying routes.. one of the most congested is via Hong Kong FIR entering Guangzhou FIR via BEKOL... not only are these bottlenecks for traffic because of lateral separation requirements... most flights will need to transition to Metric FL requiring climbs and descents - further compounded by restricted North and southbound RVSM levels in the South China Sea at 310/320, 350/360 and 390/400... so there is a lot of criss crossing.. add into the mix ad-hoc military exercises or even weather and you have even more conservative spacing and timings...

More airspace needs to be released for civilian use.. one way of enhancing traffic but maintaining airspace availability for the PLA Air Force may be to offer flexi tracks every week in advance to permit optimal flight planning and scheduling.. this will help us limit fuel consumption and reign in costs while giving the airforce room to breathe too... unfortunately, easier said than done, but let's see.. the current is not manageable in the Long term, Nor really the short term.

#13 jahur

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 11:26 AM

My Uncle missed his connecting flight on ka to bki due to late arrival from yvr in hkg. Cx booked him on mh flights to kul and then kul to bki. Funny he went all the way south then back to north east. All of this is also due to traffic flow in china.

#14 Mohd Suhaimi Fariz

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 12:26 PM

Why only recently has it been a problem though? I've not heard of such problems previously.



#15 Roy Chin

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 06:15 PM

Why is there so much delay? China ATC can't cope?

 

even their homeland airline companies facing the same issue



#16 Alif A. F.

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 07:32 PM

Civil air traffic surely have grown by leaps and bounds in China, thus one of the factors that cause this issue.



#17 Walter Sim

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 08:03 PM

Why only recently has it been a problem though? I've not heard of such problems previously.


Always been there. You're just not hearing enough.

Edited by Walter Sim, 15 July 2017 - 08:04 PM.


#18 Waiping

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 09:48 PM

Always been there. You're just not hearing enough.

 

Probably too common that nobody bothers.






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