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Guide on Regional Flights by Non Regional Airlines


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#1 Mohd Azizul Ramli

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 03:11 AM

Hi folks,

As MH is getting worse and AK is getting boring, help me to compile regional services offered by non regional airlines within South East Asia (and maybe a bit beyond to southern China) for some changes in flying experience. Getting a bit technical, all this flights are fall under the 5th freedom agreement between the originating countries, the destination countries and the airlines and naturally, they are a short tag on from long inter continental flights.

*Definition:
Regional service - flights from a point in South East Asia into another point in South East Asia
Non Regional Airlines - airlines not from any countries of South East Asia



FROM KUL

The most dearest to me and something that I had flown myself:

Route: KUL-CGK vv
Airline: KLM Royal Dutch Airline
Schedule: Daily [KUL-CGK ETD 17:10 ETA 18:10] [CGK-KUL ETD 19:25 ETA 22:20]
Class offered: J and Y
Equipment: Boeing 777-300 ER and Boeing 777-200 ER
Price Range: As low as MYR 350 return all inclusive
Online Booking: www.klm.com
Trivia/Info: J class passengers will be given the famous miniature Delf house as a gift.


Those that I knew dearly but haven't try out myself:

Route: KUL-DPS vv
Airline: Qatar Airways
Schedule: 4 weekly every Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Thursday [KUL-DPS ETD 15:00 ETA 18:00] [DPS-KUL ETD 23:35 ETA 02:35 + 1 day later]
Class offered: J and Y
Equipment: Airbus A330-200 and Airbus A330-300
Price Range: As low as MYR 540 return all inclusive
Online Booking: www.qatarairways.com
Trivia/Info: The service will be terminated in early next year but QR will do the DPS run still via SIN instead (SIN-DPS-SIN beginning early 2010)

Route: KUL-BKK vv
Airline: Lufthansa
Schedule: 4 weekly every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday [KUL-BKK ETD 21:30 ETA 22:40] [BKK-KUL ETD 15:05 ETA 18:05]
Class offered: J and Y
Equipment: Boeing 747-400
Price Range: As low as MYR 510 return all inclusive
Online Booking: www.lufthansa.com
Trivia/Info: -

KUL used to be graced by Emirates' KUL-CGK vv run, but it was terminated on 29 September 2008 (I was on the very last flight). Flight EK 346/347 ran 3 weekly using 2 class Boeing 777-300 ER. Many other second rated Middle East airlines like Saudi Arabian Airlines, Kuwait Airways and Yemenia also fly from KUL into CGK but other than Kuwait Airways, I am not sure whether the flights are bookable or not. KUL-CGK vv with Kuwait Airways is possible but ticket can only be purchased from their ticketing office in Kuala Lumpur.

There is also KUL-SIN vv with Japan Airlines, but it can't be purchased online and the fare is a bit steep. Does anyone know the details? Air Madagascar and GMG Airlines are plying the KUL-BKK vv route, is it bookable? Air Mauritius' and Sri Lankan's KUL-SIN vv is not bookable, right?


I hope fellow members can help to complete the guide with flights originating from other regional airports especially those from SIN and BKK, South East Asia's biggest airports where there are a lot of flights of this nature. Some pointers that I may share:
  • SWISS' SIN-BKK vv is it still operational?
  • Lufthansa's SIN-CGK vv is it still operational?
  • Cathay Pacific's SIN-BKK vv
  • Qatar Airways' SIN-CGK vv
  • United Airlines' SIN-HKG vv?
  • Emirates' daily BKK-HKG vv using a 3 class Boeing 777-300
  • Lufthansa's BKK-SGN vv on the other 3 days the aircraft doesn't come to KUL
  • Air France's BKK-SGN vv and BKK-HAN vv (?)
  • KLM's BKK-MNL vv?
  • Biman Bangladesh's SIN-BKK vv made famous my Airpearl is it still bookable?
  • Kenya Airways' BKK-HKG vv
Would appreciate those participating to use the format as above for detail of the flights. The thread is also the place to inform should there is any changes in schedule or equipment in the future.

#2 Mushrif A

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 05:25 AM

In addition to what you have added/ stated

SIN-CGK vv by QR, JQ
SIN-CMB vv by CX (ok, so CMB is not in SEAsia, but you have stretched the geography by including CX and HKG when you did say an airline based in a city outside of SEAsia to a SEAsian city)
BKK-HKG vv by Ethiopian, UL, CI, RJ
SIN-BKK vv by CX

Edited by Mushrif A, 03 September 2009 - 05:43 AM.


#3 jani

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 07:21 AM

Useful thread. Would be looking to try the KUL-CGK routes whenever possible.

#4 Ryan Soh

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 08:26 AM

I hope fellow members can help to complete the guide with flights originating from other regional airports especially those from SIN and BKK, South East Asia's biggest airports where there are a lot of flights of this nature. Some pointers that I may share:

  • SWISS' SIN-BKK vv is it still operational?
  • Lufthansa's SIN-CGK vv is it still operational?
Would appreciate those participating to use the format as above for detail of the flights. The thread is also the place to inform should there is any changes in schedule or equipment in the future.

LX has terminated SIN-BKK along with a plethora of far flung airlines like AY, SK, SU, TK and not forgetting the rest of the airlines which also used to fly this route like QF, NZ, OZ, BG, RN etc. No more cheap JCL fares anymore! :( Oh yes, how can I forget the now-defunct Angel Air utilising leased MH 737-400 also flew this route.

LH's SIN-CGK is still very much alive although their fares are very similar to SQ. Any fool would know which airline to choose!

#5 Azri M.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 10:07 AM

You can book KUL-SIN flights with JAL on http://www.expedia.com

#6 Juergen Witte

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 02:18 PM

Well, i can tell at least a proposed route (but likely to be operational soon) ...

TK will start IST-MNL with A330 soon. Preferably via BKK ! They are in negotiations with Philippine/Thai authorities regarding traffic rights.
If they donīt get local rights for BKK-MNL they will go IST-MNL non-stop ... (statement by TK CEO)

#7 C.Foo

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 04:48 PM

You caN book JAL flights on Oneworld website :rolleyes:

#8 Pieter C.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 04:07 AM

[*]Air France's BKK-SGN vv and BKK-HAN vv (?)
[*]KLM's BKK-MNL vv?
Would appreciate those participating to use the format as above for detail of the flights. The thread is also the place to inform should there is any changes in schedule or equipment in the future.


Azizul,

You can fly BKK-SGN v.v. 4 times a week on AF A340...the other 3 times it's BKK-HAN v.v.
LH operates also 4 times a week BKK-SGN v.v. with 744
KL does not operate BKK-MNL anymore for years...it's now non-stop AMS-MNL v.v. You can still fly BKK-TPE v.v. on 744's though...

#9 Mohd Azizul Ramli

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 05:06 AM

There is also KUL-SIN vv with Japan Airlines, but it can't be purchased online and the fare is a bit steep. Does anyone know the details?

Route: KUL-SIN vv
Airline: Japan Airlines
Schedule: X weekly every X [KUL-SIN ETD 20:40 ETA 21:45] [SIN-KUL ETD 19:50 ETA 20:50]
Class offered: J and Y
Equipment: Boeing 767-300 ER
Price Range: As low as USD 210 return all inclusive
Online Booking: www.expedia.com
Trivia/Info: -

Was told by C.Foo that we can also book through OneWorld's website but I didn't try it. The price quoted by Expedia is quite steep in my opinion. Would appreciate is someone can help me on the info of the number of weekly flights. It is definitely not daily, is it 4, 5 or 6 weekly?


Well, i can tell at least a proposed route (but likely to be operational soon) ...

TK will start IST-MNL with A330 soon. Preferably via BKK ! They are in negotiations with Philippine/Thai authorities regarding traffic rights.
If they donīt get local rights for BKK-MNL they will go IST-MNL non-stop ... (statement by TK CEO)

The recent news also revealed that TK will start plying the SIN-CGK vv route, a tag-on for their IST-SIN vv route. However, it was later revealed that TK doesn't have a 5th freedom right to carry passengers from SIN to CGK and vice versa.


LH operates also 4 times a week BKK-SGN v.v. with 744

Was it 3 weekly? Because I am quite certain that this service is paired with KUL. LH serves BKK daily with the Boeing 747-400, 4 out of the 7 weekly flights continuing on to KUL, while on the remaining 3 days it continuing on to SGN.

#10 Mohd Azizul Ramli

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Posted 07 September 2009 - 03:19 AM

Many other second rated Middle East airlines like Saudi Arabian Airlines, Kuwait Airways and Yemenia also fly from KUL into CGK but other than Kuwait Airways, I am not sure whether the flights are bookable or not. KUL-CGK vv with Kuwait Airways is possible but ticket can only be purchased from their ticketing office in Kuala Lumpur.

Just to share my correspondence with Kuwait Airways on query of their KUL-CGK vv sector.

Dear Sir,
Warmest greeting from Roystar! Sir, do u need any help for the Jakarta Booking?? I can assits you in anyway! Sent me your details, departure date! i will make the booking for you! call me up, Im Ms LV if u need any further information or assistance!Thanks

Best Regards,
Ms LV Chan
Operation - Western Outbound
ROYSTAR TRAVEL & TOURS SDN BHD
171 & 171-1 Jalan Imbi
55100 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel : 03-21430188 Ext: 112
Fax: 03-21430388
Email: western@roystartravel.com.my


* * * * *


Hello Ms LV Chan,

May I know:
- How much is the price of a ticket for one adult KUL-CGK on X date?
- Is there a flight on X date? May I know the schedule (the ETD and ETA)? What type of aircraft are they using for the sector?

I need to know these before making the decision.

Azizul


* * * * *

Good morning,sir!

Sir for the X date depart, unfortunately Kuwait Airways dont have any flight to Jakarta! Due to the Peak Season period, the might cut out some of the routing! Or you can choose to travel on Y date ?Please let me know! Thanks

Best Regards,
Ms LV Chan
Operation - Western Outbound
ROYSTAR TRAVEL & TOURS SDN BHD
171 & 171-1 Jalan Imbi
55100 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel : 03-21430188 Ext: 112
Fax: 03-21430388
Email: western@roystartravel.com.my


So, for Kuwait Airways, bookings are in charged by Roystar Travel and Tours Sdn. Bhd. whom I believe is their GSA agent in Malaysia. The flight/aircraft service and frequency looks very patchy (instant cancellation, non fixed schedule etc) but the good and prompt service provided by Ms. LV Chan is much appreciated. While KU's booking engine is not as sophisticated as EK, EY or QR, I still hope if the service is bookable, we travellers can do so from their website.

#11 Isaac

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Posted 07 September 2009 - 04:02 PM

KL does not operate BKK-MNL anymore for years...it's now non-stop AMS-MNL v.v. You can still fly BKK-TPE v.v. on 744's though...

KL used to fly between KUL/MNL 4-weekly using 74M before it changed to KUL/CGK.


Route: KUL-SIN vv
Airline: Japan Airlines
Schedule: X weekly every X [KUL-SIN ETD 20:40 ETA 21:45] [SIN-KUL ETD 19:50 ETA 20:50]
Class offered: J and Y
Equipment: Boeing 767-300 ER
Price Range: As low as USD 210 return all inclusive
Online Booking: www.expedia.com
Trivia/Info: -

Was told by C.Foo that we can also book through OneWorld's website but I didn't try it. The price quoted by Expedia is quite steep in my opinion. Would appreciate is someone can help me on the info of the number of weekly flights. It is definitely not daily, is it 4, 5 or 6 weekly?

It is a daily flight (KIX-SIN-KUL-SIN-KIX), JL721/JL722, 763ER. JL usually have special fare ex-SIN only.

Edited by Isaac, 07 September 2009 - 04:04 PM.


#12 Mohd Azizul Ramli

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 12:08 AM

New service announced by KLM! 3 weekly SIN-DPS vv on Boeing 777-300 ER aircraft beginning 6 December 2009. The schedule are as follows:

KL835 SIN DPS 1730 2010 - days 1 3 6 - B77W
KL836 DPS SIN 2130 0005 - days 1 3 6 - B77W

This flight is an add-on to the AMS-SIN vv flight. It looks like there will be 2 new players for the SIN-DPS vv sector, KLM and Qatar Airways (which will change their KUL-DPS vv tag-on from DOH to SIN-DPS vv flight beginning 2010). The news also came out at the time KLM revealed a new uniform for their crews.

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#13 Pieter C.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 07:12 PM

On the uniform part: IMHO not an improvement :(

On the schedule part: SIN will have 2 different flightnumbers: KL837 to SIN only, and KL0835 to SIN and DPS...guess, they want to make better use of the 77W's (i.s.o. being idle at SIN for a few hours)...

#14 Mohd Azizul Ramli

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 10:32 PM

Yea, A.Net seems united about that as well, especially the one with the big long sleeve white shirt underneath the KLM blue dress. But the one on the guys look nice.

#15 Pieter C.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 02:50 AM

Yea, A.Net seems united about that as well, especially the one with the big long sleeve white shirt underneath the KLM blue dress. But the one on the guys look nice.


Yeah, exactly what I meant: those white sleeves underneath the blue dress is awful :angry:
The only guy in the picture is Mart Visser, the designer; the men's uniform will not be changed...

#16 Isaac

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 07:00 PM

It's hideous ! The management must be high on ecstasy when they approved this. The current uniforms look so much nicer. Pity those KL crew. They will all be a joke to crew of all other airlines.

Edited by Isaac, 05 October 2009 - 07:01 PM.


#17 Y C LEONG

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 08:13 PM

altho we have gone a bit off topic, hehe.. but yes i agree with Pieter.

the uniform does not look professional at all. i prefer the preset uniform. as for male uniform, i have worn it for about a year before our company changed our name to CObalt in LHR and i never liked the KLM uniform for male. maybe because i used to wear the BA ones that really fit to our size.. unlike KLM ones that were so loose i felt like i have a flap around my waist..

anyway, we will pretty much get used to the new uniform i guess after a year or so..

#18 Peter Smith

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 03:02 AM

FWIW...

JQ no longer fly SIN-CGK, 3K fly SIN-CGK-PER on their behalf (still JQ flight number).

JQ do however fly 4x weekly DPS-SIN-DPS (Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat) and operate two return services from SIN each day for 3K (PEN 3K673/674 and BKK 3K515/516)

#19 Mohd Azizul Ramli

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 12:44 AM

We are all aware that LH will start receiving the first of its 15 A380s by this coming summer. And by the look of it, the FRA-BKK vv sector is high on the list to get one of the A380s. If the route really being upgraded to A380 from the present B744, would it's tag-ons will be getting the A380s as well? I mean it may sounds a bit weird (because at the moment, there are no A380s doing a tag-on service) but if BKK gets it, the tag-ons into KUL and SGN will definitely getting it too, right?

#20 Mohd Azizul Ramli

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 04:15 AM

I mean it may sounds a bit weird (because at the moment, there are no A380s doing a tag-on service)

I stand corrected - EK does a tag-on service SYD-AKL vv on a daily basis (duh...)! So, LH's BKK-KUL A380 tag-on service is not entirely impossible.




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