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MAS Northern Winter 2012 Operational Changes


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#21 flee

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 01:52 PM

I think that the A380 question is slightly different - there is a pull factor to flying on the A380. More demand is generated by virtue that the route is operated on the A380.

What MH must do is to ensure that the A380 services to and from LHR are properly connected to their A380 services to and from Australia. That way, more business can be won on the kangaroo route.

#22 Jim Liu

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:13 PM

Already updated when I looked

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MH4 and MH1 will be the B772s


I was referring to Robert's comment on MAS website not showing the change because he was looking at timetable and not making actual booking.

#23 KK Lee

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 06:09 PM

If this is factually correct, MH should just completely drop F. Left pocket to right pocket.


Apart from MH executives, royalty and GoM are mostly paying full fare, very high yield and doubt they will permit MH to abolish F to LHR.

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#24 Robert

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 06:40 PM

I was referring to Robert's comment on MAS website not showing the change because he was looking at timetable and not making actual booking.



yes you are correct

#25 filipeseda

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 07:22 PM

I believe MHs loads will experience organic growth wants they use the A380s on its kangaroo routes. Downgrading to the B777 is a sensible thing to do given that MHs A380s are high density A380s and it can't fathom them sustaining double A380 services. MH is probably downgrading LHR services to the B777 to prepare the ground for the arrival of the A380 and thus has to adjust its operations for the whalejet, which is due to arrive in April next year.

Also MEL downgraded to 333. Reflecting competition and demand on this route?

And planned upgrades to the new 333 on some of the DXB routes have been canned! So MH has obviously given up on the DXB route to EK. Who wants to fly in MH's time machines (aka 330s) versus EK's 77Ws/ A380s?


Technically MH is not downgrading its MEL services. The A330s are far superior, in terms of Y, and have the same capacity as the B777. However, the only problem is that they're meant for REGIONAL flights. I certainly don't think MEL is regional at all. It'll be competing with SQs A380s and EKs B77Ws on this route. Good luck.

I think the sudden change in schedules and the deployment of the A330s on longer haul routes, reflects MHs lack of a new long-haul product. The A380 will hardly to a dent. MH needs to find a long-haul workhorse to replace the B777s, ASAP, if it wants to compete. The A330s lie-flat J is certainly not the right recipe for a competitive long-haul J product.

sorry I meant angled lie flat J-seats

#26 Johan Z

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 08:35 PM

I think the sudden change in schedules and the deployment of the A330s on longer haul routes, reflects MHs lack of a new long-haul product. The A380 will hardly to a dent. MH needs to find a long-haul workhorse to replace the B777s, ASAP, if it wants to compete. The A330s lie-flat J is certainly not the right recipe for a competitive long-haul J product.

That's so true. Even if they placed 777 replacement (787 or A350) a long time ago, they won't get it at least until 2013. What they have to do is re-furbish! KE, TG and SQ has refurbished/are refurbishing their 777, while MH couldn't bother to do so.

#27 JuliusWong

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 10:36 PM

MH new angled J class are only meant for regional flight; I have no idea why they would deploy it on MEL, a long haul route. The J class is way behind as compared to EK and SQ's. Opposite can be said for Y class.

With EKs and SQ dishing out superior service and hard products, MH is currently fighting a losing battle. MH will refurbish its B777s of course, but with new seat cover: more smarties seats anyone?? and handheld portable entertainment set.... :sorry:

Time to retire older A333s and A332, accelerate A333 and B738 deliveries, implement "new and complete refurbishment". With these, hopefully can allow MH to buy some time until B787 and A350 backlog is lesser.

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 12:23 AM

Woohoooo, a pleasant development for spotters at LHR.

#29 Stefan

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 08:25 PM

Technically MH is not downgrading its MEL services. The A330s are far superior, in terms of Y, and have the same capacity as the B777. However, the only problem is that they're meant for REGIONAL flights. I certainly don't think MEL is regional at all. It'll be competing with SQs A380s and EKs B77Ws on this route. Good luck.


It has reported on Airliner Route Update that melbourne will loose its SQ A380 service from January 2012. Not sure why, or for how long.

Also another query...

If I do a 'dummy' booking for both ADL-KUL-ADL and MEL-KUL-MEL it is showing B772's from November 1st onwards. From September 27th until Ocotber 29th it is showing A333's for both these sectors. does this mean the A333's will only last a month or Mh have not updated the booking system from beyond this point. Just a query that is intriging to me, I would hate for the A333's to last a month in Adelaide.

#30 JuliusWong

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 10:59 PM

It has reported on Airliner Route Update that melbourne will loose its SQ A380 service from January 2012. Not sure why, or for how long.

Also another query...

If I do a 'dummy' booking for both ADL-KUL-ADL and MEL-KUL-MEL it is showing B772's from November 1st onwards. From September 27th until Ocotber 29th it is showing A333's for both these sectors. does this mean the A333's will only last a month or Mh have not updated the booking system from beyond this point. Just a query that is intriging to me, I would hate for the A333's to last a month in Adelaide.

Equipment change quite frequently as the time approaches the date of flight. The aircraft we see now in the booking engine maybe just temporary and last minute adjustment can be made.Overbooking maybe also a reason, same goes to SQ's A380 MEL service.

#31 Craig

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 01:17 AM

Also MEL downgraded to 333. Reflecting competition and demand on this route?

It's actually an upgauge (although not by much). The 772 seats 35-247 while the 333 seats 36-247 (an additional seat in C). Although the seat pitch is reduced, passengers get a newer product with better IFE and more importantly, in-seat power.

#32 Jim Liu

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 10:28 AM

It has reported on Airliner Route Update that melbourne will loose its SQ A380 service from January 2012. Not sure why, or for how long.

Also another query...

If I do a 'dummy' booking for both ADL-KUL-ADL and MEL-KUL-MEL it is showing B772's from November 1st onwards. From September 27th until Ocotber 29th it is showing A333's for both these sectors. does this mean the A333's will only last a month or Mh have not updated the booking system from beyond this point. Just a query that is intriging to me, I would hate for the A333's to last a month in Adelaide.


Looks like MH changed it again over the weekend, that's why you're seeing ADL/MEL/PER operating with 772 and DEL 330 (old A330-300) from 30OCT11.

#33 Jim Liu

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 05:11 PM

More Changes as of Monday afternoon.

MEL 1 of 2 Daily NEW 333 replace 777-200ER
PER from 15FEB12 operates with NEW 333, 10 weekly

#34 Jim Liu

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 05:46 PM

the never-ending changes as of Tuesday afternoon.

MEL all A333 service from 30OCT11
ADL all A333 service from 30OCT11

#35 Geoff R.

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 04:54 AM

Emirates and Etihad have good connections on the LHR-KUL route. When I have checked the fares in recent months MH has always been more than 200 more expensive for a return flight. Also Etihad and Emirates have more modern aircraft, better in flight entertainment and better catering. My next LHR-KUL flight is on Etihad.

Air Asia X flights to London must have also had some impact on MH passenger numbers.

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#36 Kris Kim

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Posted 10 August 2011 - 03:56 PM

It has reported on Airliner Route Update that melbourne will loose its SQ A380 service from January 2012. Not sure why, or for how long.


I don't understand why SQ are pulling the A380s off MEL, and during peak season too! Where the flights go out and in jammed packed with pax. The booking system however and also SQ MEL office said that they will be back on March 25/26, so I'm confident they will come back soon! I was hoping for x2 Daily A380, I hope it eventually happens. Unless SQ plans to make MEL x4 Daily or introduce it's new low cost carrier on the route to fight with JQ on home turf. EK plans to put the A380 on MEL soon too on one of it's x3 Daily flights.

Hopefully MH will also send their A380s to MEL in 2012 or 2013! I'm very very hopeful! :)

#37 Cheng Kit

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 06:08 PM

Actually they decided to keep the 747 flight in the morning

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#38 BC Tam

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 06:20 PM

Actually they decided to keep the 747 flight in the morning


MH has no idea what the hell they want.


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#39 Mushrif A

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:36 AM

Title says it all. MH74 changed from departing at before 7pm daily to leaving KUL at almost 1am, effective Mar25. The change in timing is strange. Sure, it allows an (very) early start to the day in HKG and allows one to enjoy dinner in KUL before flying back to HKG - but on an A330 with an ancient cabin & LCC-esque flight timings?

Makes you wonder if this is more than just optimization of aircraft usage, given that it still leaves HKG (on the return leg) as per original schedule.

#40 KK Lee

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:36 AM

Likely that MH wish to have early morning departure from HKG to compete with CX723 but unwilling to pay for layover at HKG.




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