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#1 Robert

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 12:58 PM

SINGAPORE Malaysian budget airline Firefly will suspend all flights into Singapore from December 1, it said on Thursday (Nov 22) in response to media queries.

https://www.todayonl...singapore-dec-1

#2 flee

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 01:06 PM

So they are not keen on flying to Seletar? Airport charges still under negotiations?



#3 Lim Kar Yong

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 01:16 PM

SINGAPORE Malaysian budget airline Firefly will suspend all flights into Singapore from December 1, it said on Thursday (Nov 22) in response to media queries.

https://www.todayonl...singapore-dec-1

 

No wonder I could not book any flights to Singapore on FY yesterday. Hope they resume flights to Seletar soon



#4 jahur

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 01:30 PM

Fireflys Ong also says he would like Seletar Airport to have an instrument landing system (ILS), so it can be a proper commercial airport.

Hawker Pacifics Leong says, Our current VFR [visual flight rules] approach is inevitably presenting a lot of limitations. So, we do have some flights that are diverted to Changi Airport because of low cloud and potential storms. Having ILS would definitely make it easier for the pilots to bring aircraft in here.
 
http://aviationweek....rboprop-service

Singapore been known to throw in a lot weather. Without ils and full on visual approach don't think firefly or even malindo can maintain its otp into Singapore as they'll be spending time waiting for weather to clear up to meet the visual approach minimums criteria.

Edited by jahur, 22 November 2018 - 01:32 PM.


#5 Robert

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Posted 24 November 2018 - 07:21 PM

Singapore responds and blames Malaysia:

https://www.todayonl...ve-seletar-caas

#6 flee

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Posted 24 November 2018 - 07:52 PM

Malaysia’s Civil Aviation Authority ‘willing to work’ with Singapore to resolve suspension of Firefly flights to Changi

 

 

“On this premise, Malaysia is willing to work with Singapore on the regulatory issues related to Singapore’s plan to move Firefly operations from Changi Airport to Seletar Airport, including outstanding airspace issues to be discussed, particularly on reviewing the terms and conditions of delegation of Malaysia’s airspace to Singapore for the provision of Air Traffic Services,” 

 

 

http://www.theedgema...firefly-flights



#7 Radzi

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Posted 26 November 2018 - 07:12 PM

What approach navaids does Seletar have? Could it be that Malaysian rules prohibit a passenger airline to operate to a destination without an approach navaid?


Edited by Radzi, 26 November 2018 - 07:14 PM.


#8 Walter Sim

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 11:27 AM

What approach navaids does Seletar have? Could it be that Malaysian rules prohibit a passenger airline to operate to a destination without an approach navaid?

 

Only visual approach IIRC



#9 Juergen Witte

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 04:37 AM

But how come Berjaya operated into XSP until switching to SIN in 2010 ?

Regulations have not changed since ...



#10 jit

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:42 PM

https://www.thestar....etar-airport-la

#11 Robert

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 06:15 PM

That link is dead

 

The updated article is here: https://www.thestar....nsport-minister

 

How the Singapore press are reporting it, claiming that Malaysia wants to take back control: https://www.straitst...ed-to-singapore

 

What are the thoughts of the community on here?



#12 flee

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 06:59 PM

How the Singapore press are reporting it, claiming that Malaysia wants to take back control: https://www.straitst...ed-to-singapore

 

What are the thoughts of the community on here?

 

We need to go back in history as to why Singapore is controlling Malaysian airspace in the south of the Peninsula. I don't think this is something that can be done quickly - both countries need to negotiate privately and not make too many media statements.



#13 flee

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 07:21 PM

Reclaiming southern Johor airspace will impact many, says Singapore

 

https://www.malaymai...-says-singapore



#14 jahur

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 10:02 AM

The new ils which will go online in January seems to position approaching aircraft above pasir gudang on a steep 3.5 degree glideslope angle. If that's the case pasir gudang will have a lot of restriction in buildings like how Kota Kinabalu has no high rise building because it's near the runway 20 path. Maybe the relevant authorities could design a SIDstar where the aircraft can come in from a different angle instead of a straight in from Johor.

Edited by jahur, 05 December 2018 - 10:03 AM.


#15 jani

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 10:40 AM

That link is dead

 

The updated article is here: https://www.thestar....nsport-minister

 

How the Singapore press are reporting it, claiming that Malaysia wants to take back control: https://www.straitst...ed-to-singapore

 

What are the thoughts of the community on here?

 

Great example of how media controls the world. Same set of facts, spun differently.


Edited by jani, 05 December 2018 - 10:40 AM.


#16 Mushrif A

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 05:43 PM

 
Great example of how media controls the world. Same set of facts, spun differently.


Not exactly. There were two separate things mentioned during the press conference. Some media chose to report only either one.

#17 flee

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 06:26 PM

I think all these matters come to light because our PM is always at odds with Sg. So all issues between the two countries are now under his eagle eye. Sg will not have it as easy as during the previous gahmen.



#18 Robert

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 07:52 PM

SG claims CAAM ignored emails and now the port is an issue as well :

 

https://www.todayonl...s-last-december

 

https://mothership.s...ngapore-emails/

 

Disappointed that the two governments can't sort this out internally



#19 flee

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 08:21 PM

Singapore rebuts Malaysia's objection to ILS at Seletar airport
 


#20 flee

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 11:33 AM

Firefly feels the pain from Singapore suspension

 

https://www.flightgl...pension-454262/






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