Shootout at KLIA after robbery

[Seth K 3]

http://www.nst.com.my/Wednesday/Frontpage/...icle/index_html

 

more and more........

 

Is this happen inside or outside?

Edited April 9, 2008 by Seth K

[Kader 0]

Fuh.. fastest news update..

[Louis L. 2]

shootout ??? OMG , what is happening to KUL nowadays

[Chan CS 0]

It's not only a bad year for airlines. It's bad for our KLIA as well.......

[LW Wong 0]

From The Star : http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...&sec=nation

 

SEPANG: Armed robbers shot six people in a three-minute heist at KL International Airport and escaped with S$1.5mil (RM3.5mil) on Wednesday.

 

In the 7.30pm incident, two moneychangers were walking to Gate 8 with the money and two security guards when six robbers alighted from a BMW car and confronted them outside the gate.

 

The robbers, believed to be armed with two automatic pistols, shot at the legs of the four men, who collapsed.

 

An off-duty lance corporal and a Nepalese worker who happened to be in the area were also shot in the legs.

 

One of the robbers then grabbed a bag containing the money, which was to be deposited at an outlet on the fifth floor of the airport complex, and they fled.

 

The guards opened fire at the getaway car, but did not manage to stop the robbers, which included a woman.

 

Police later found 40 bullet slugs on the floor.

 

During the shooting, an off-duty lance corporal and a Nepalese worker were also shot in the legs. Five glass windows at the entrance were also shattered.

 

Sepang OCPD Asst Comm Zahedi Ayob said the moneychangers and guards were seriously injured in the legs.

 

“The robbers grabbed the bag containing the cash and fled in a vehicle believed to be a four-wheel drive. As the armed robbers were making their getaway, the two security guards fired at them but missed,” he said.

 

The six victims were taken to a clinic in the airport and later rushed to the Serdang Hospital.

 

It is learnt that one of the security guards is a policeman from the city police headquarters.

 

Police believed the robbers were involved in robbing a man later in Putrajaya.

 

These days robbers are getting bolder...

[MIR 2]

Robbery and Shootout at the World's Best Airport. (15-25 million passengers per annum)... :rolleyes:

 

Aiyo....They managed to escape some more..with RM3.5mil !!

Edited April 9, 2008 by MIR

[Mohd. Helmi 0]

Robbery and Shootout at the World's Best Airport. (15-25 million passengers per annum)... :rolleyes:

 

Aiyo....They managed to escape some more..with RM3.5mil !!

 

Makes KLIA a scary place to be... bullets flying everywhere, people getting shot..

 

[Seth K 3]

Are they professional? BMW equipped, made another robbery later too

[jani 0]

This has nothing to do with KLIA in general, its more that the crime rate in Malaysia is sadly just this bad.

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

OH MY GOD!

 

Now this is getting serious. Proves are appearing one after another that KUL is very lack in security in general. I guess it's high time for Malaysia to have all these x-ray machines, metal detectors and armed forces at the entrance gate and main road to KUL, just like what they have it here in Soekarno-Hatta International. It may cause some discomforts towards passengers but it's worth it.

 

This is serious, not just some cynical comment. This is about security confidence towards Malaysia's main gateway we are talking about.

 

In Jakarta and (to a certain extent) Bangkok, x-ray machines, security forces with metal detectors and bomb detector armed squads are stationed at ALL enctrance of major shopping malls and five star hotels.

 

It's high time. Don't question about it. Just do it Malaysia!

[Mohd. Helmi 0]

I don't think we need to be so intrusive as having armed forces at the entrance gate and main road to KUL.

 

One thing that I have noted at KUL is the lack of visible security presence.

 

In SIN I see armed, rifle or some sort of big gun wearing policemen being very much visible, I don't know if they are Gurhka, NS Men or a combination of both (Mr. Ryan Soh you being the resident Singaporean here care to expand), but you see them around SIN a lot. It does bring is a sense of security, since they do look menacing. Sure, there's a lot of CCTV coverage at KUL, but that's not much of a deterrence compared to a bunch of guys in blue uniforms walking around with big guns.

Edited April 9, 2008 by Mohd. Helmi

[jani 0]

This would not have been a shootout if the 'good guys' did not shoot back. So the argument that there is no security presence is not really valid.

 

The robbery happened when the guards were going to deposit money. Have any of you seen this? There are probably 6 guards amongst the ones carrying the actual money and they are armed.

 

Fact is, the gunmen came out and shot their legs and instantly causing chaos thus grabbing the money.

 

I would say that it again, it has nothing to do with KLIA. These types of robbery is just too common all over. We are only hearing about it because it happened at the airport.

 

Having bomb squads and 10 military men at KLIA is not going to change the situation..

[Mohd. Helmi 0]

Wait, were they rent a cop security guards or police? Because it seems like rent a cop guys to me from the article, also an off duty policeman happened to be there and he shot back??? So really that begs the question, where were the on duty guys that are supposed to protect??????... Security guard presence is one thing, but they can't beat having the authorities in authority in force patrolling visibly. Like I said before compared to Singapore, I hardly see the men in blue at KUL.

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

This would not have been a shootout if the 'good guys' did not shoot back. So the argument that there is no security presence is not really valid.

 

The robbery happened when the guards were going to deposit money. Have any of you seen this? There are probably 6 guards amongst the ones carrying the actual money and they are armed.

 

Fact is, the gunmen came out and shot their legs and instantly causing chaos thus grabbing the money.

 

I would say that it again, it has nothing to do with KLIA. These types of robbery is just too common all over. We are only hearing about it because it happened at the airport.

 

Having bomb squads and 10 military men at KLIA is not going to change the situation.

It WILL change the situation. Let me give you the scenario in CGK. At the main road leading to the terminal, they put a roadblock and the armed forces will ask for the boot to be opened. Some others will open the passengers' doors and check on what's inside. Another one will check the vehicle using the bomb detector machine. Another post guard on the way out is also beneficial as it can be used to stop/halt robbers from fledging away should they succeed in their attempts.

 

Now, if we have this setup right before the flyover/road leading to KUL main terminal building, wouldn't the robbers will be ambushed much earlier, before they manage to get into the terminal building? The chaos, if it is destined to happen, may happened at the this security post, between the robbers and this security armed forces, not inside the terminal building.

 

An airport with good securities won't be having such incident happened in its premise. An airport with good security personnel will at least managed to shot dead all the robbers. So I disagree about your point that KUL has nothing to do with this. This incident has became a precedent that KUL can be robbed. So, robbers will certainly consider robbing in KUL again if the state of security stays the same.

 

This news came out just a few hours after the knife slipaway incident. People way combine both news and write about KUL being the airport with the worst security in the world. I too can do it just by starting a thread in A.Net and the whole world will know about it.

 

As I said, the authorities shouldn't question about it. Just do it. Malaysians tend to be laid back, always tak apa and it won't get things done. The Indonesians learnt from their mistakes. The bomb squads, metal detectors, x-ray machines were stationed at this places in their airport's compound because they don't want what happened in Bali and the minor bombing in CGK Terminal 2 happened again. The same squads, detectors and machines are placed at their major shopping malls and five star hotels because they don't want the JW Marriott bombing incident to happen again.

 

If Indonesia and Thailand have implemented it, why would Malaysia be so reluctant? This is about confidence and reputation.

[KK Lee 5]

I guess it's high time for Malaysia to have all these x-ray machines, metal detectors and armed forces at the entrance gate and main road to KUL, just like what they have it here in Soekarno-Hatta International. It may cause some discomforts towards passengers but it's worth it.

 

This is serious, not just some cynical comment. This is about security confidence towards Malaysia's main gateway we are talking about.

 

One of our regular foreign guests told me, they feel more uncomfortable and insecure with Malaysian police around.

 

[Ryan Soh 3]

I don't think we need to be so intrusive as having armed forces at the entrance gate and main road to KUL.

 

One thing that I have noted at KUL is the lack of visible security presence.

 

In SIN I see armed, rifle or some sort of big gun wearing policemen being very much visible, I don't know if they are Gurhka, NS Men or a combination of both (Mr. Ryan Soh you being the resident Singaporean here care to expand), but you see them around SIN a lot. It does bring is a sense of security, since they do look menacing. Sure, there's a lot of CCTV coverage at KUL, but that's not much of a deterrence compared to a bunch of guys in blue uniforms walking around with big guns.

Hello, these guards that you mentioned were implemented after a plot was discovered that the JI cell here was just about to be activated to set off bombs at Yishun MRT station. How was the plot discovered? By accident really. After a bombing raid in Afghanistan, soldiers discovered documents and even a video surveillance of the Yishun MRT and a voice in the background suggesting where the bombs could be placed. Scary stuff...

 

More plots were later unearthed including one that was to hijack a plane to ram it into Changi Airport from the air.

 

With all these foiled threats, the SAF and the Singapore Police Force decided to join hands to up the security patrol. Thus, you will see both army personnel and policemen patrolling the airport with these menacing looking rifles trying to look garang. Hahahahaha... Many of us think it is a joke because these kids are no older than 21 and have not been battle hardened, so one flick of a terrorist's finger, they will be on the ground. But we would rather see some semblance of security rather than the authorities not doing anything about it.

 

It WILL change the situation. Let me give you the scenario in CGK. At the main road leading to the terminal, they put a roadblock and the armed forces will ask for the boot to be opened. Some others will open the passengers' doors and check on what's inside. Another one will check the vehicle using the bomb detector machine. Another post guard on the way out is also beneficial as it can be used to stop/halt robbers from fledging away should they succeed in their attempts.

This might be a little off topic, but related to the Cengkareng toll road leading to Jakarta's international airport. As far as I am concerned, this highway is a deathtrap. It is only ONE road with several toll booths with nothing but swamps on BOTH sides. There are only one or two exits after Trisakti / Kebun Jeruk junction which means if strategic areas are being blocked off, you are as good as stuck for good on that road. During floods, people were stranded. On a darker note, during the riots, cars that were trapped on the highway had no chance of u-turning after the road was blocked by burning cars. Families trying to flee the capital via the airport were ambushed right where they were. Fathers, daughters, wives, sons were dragged out of the cars by rioters and killed, raped, beatened by the roadside. There was no where to run to. Whenever I am in Jakarta along THAT stretch of toll-road, I never fail to remember those people that lost their lives trying to flee and the sight fathers had to endure, watching their wives and daughters getting raped and later stabbed. urgh...

 

[Izanee 0]

you're right about the lack of visible policemen with automatic weapons and rifles. there should be a show of force as a deterrent like many other airports worldwide.

 

KLIA doesn't even have regular policemen...they have auxilliary policemen.

 

 

[KC Sim 2]

... bullets flying everywhere, people getting shot..

 

Now (really) everyone can fly . . . wheelchair passengers . . . and now even bullets.

 

I am really surprised that the whole episode even happened. CCTVs are more useful retrospectively . . . armed guards to escort those carrying this much money and regular patrols (who take their task seriously) are perhaps more useful in deterring such attempts in the first place. Hopefully, someone among those whose legs were shot did note the number of the getaway car . . . and hopefully, the CCTV had all these and the vehicle registration number could be seen.

 

Setting up roadblocks on the highway leading to the airport is a very drastic measure that tends to un-nerve many people. Such a measure should perhaps be a last ditch effort.

 

You cannot really say that this has nothing to do with KLIA. It happened within KLIA's premises and MAHB should therefore work with whichever agencies is related to ensure this does not happen again. If robbers could get away so easily . . . you can imagine those with ill intent and are suicidal could be enticed to try something even more drastic. The operative word here is "deter".

 

KC Sim

 

[Wilber Tan 0]

haiz..y is this continue to be happen everyday everywhere...

KCH has many many robbery cases too..just last few weeks. everyday there is robbery case in the news..

malaysian police?? should i say useless??

[Denny Yen 0]

Alamak....very malu-lah!!! Reminds me about the cargo complext gold bars theft several years ago.

 

An international gateway to the nation becomes a crime-scene....imagine a Mat Salleh arrives and confronted with a crime-scene with blood drops, bullet casings and police cordon tape.

 

Obviously, KLIA's security arrangements need to be re-examined. And someone's head may roll in this aftermath.

 

Most countries' airports have extra/heavy security presence to deal with any security concerns. HKG airport has its own police unit, called Aviation Security Unit - they undergo elite training similar to the SDU and are well-equipped. LHR has similar unit and equipped with similar "tools."

 

Pic of ASU officers - look at their tools....MP5A3 with Aimpoint M2A laser sight, Glock pistols (most likely G17). They're identical to those used by SWAT.

 

Edited April 10, 2008 by Denny Yen

[Nizam 0]

haiz..y is this continue to be happen everyday everywhere...

KCH has many many robbery cases too..just last few weeks. everyday there is robbery case in the news..

malaysian police?? should i say useless??

 

Agree with you. Police especially at Kuching is really useless. Very hard to see them around ..

[David 0]

Alamak....very malu-lah!!! Reminds me about the cargo complext gold bars theft several years ago.

 

An international gateway to the nation becomes a crime-scene....imagine a Mat Salleh arrives and confronted with a crime-scene with blood drops, bullet casings and police cordon tape.

 

Obviously, KLIA's security arrangements need to be re-examined. And someone's head may roll in this aftermath.

 

Most countries' airports have extra/heavy security presence to deal with any security concerns. HKG airport has its own police unit, called Aviation Security Unit - they undergo elite training similar to the SDU and are well-equipped. LHR has similar unit and equipped with similar "tools."

 

Pic of ASU officers - look at their tools....MP5A3 with Aimpoint M2A laser sight, Glock pistols (most likely G17). They're identical to those used by SWAT.

 

 

 

Really agree with you, our Best KLIA short have take more security like Hong Kong & Singapore Airport, like Singapore Changi Airport even at mid night also have haevy security walk around the airport, because KLIA is main gate for others country people entry to our country. This case really made our "Best KLIA" getting malu. If still not to improve this matter sure this type of case will be happen againts. Now a day our country securities really is bad.

 

[Isaac 0]

With all these foiled threats, the SAF and the Singapore Police Force decided to join hands to up the security patrol. Thus, you will see both army personnel and policemen patrolling the airport with these menacing looking rifles trying to look garang. Hahahahaha... Many of us think it is a joke because these kids are no older than 21 and have not been battle hardened, so one flick of a terrorist's finger, they will be on the ground. But we would rather see some semblance of security rather than the authorities not doing anything about it.

I've seen these people before. Very professional of them. Patrolling in and out of Changi terminals with their big guns.

 

 

This might be a little off topic, but related to the Cengkareng toll road leading to Jakarta's international airport. As far as I am concerned, this highway is a deathtrap. It is only ONE road with several toll booths with nothing but swamps on BOTH sides. There are only one or two exits after Trisakti / Kebun Jeruk junction which means if strategic areas are being blocked off, you are as good as stuck for good on that road. During floods, people were stranded. On a darker note, during the riots, cars that were trapped on the highway had no chance of u-turning after the road was blocked by burning cars. Families trying to flee the capital via the airport were ambushed right where they were. Fathers, daughters, wives, sons were dragged out of the cars by rioters and killed, raped, beatened by the roadside. There was no where to run to. Whenever I am in Jakarta along THAT stretch of toll-road, I never fail to remember those people that lost their lives trying to flee and the sight fathers had to endure, watching their wives and daughters getting raped and later stabbed. urgh...

Let's pray there won't be another 1998 again in Indonesia. Still somehow remember the disturbing scenes/pictures on CNN. I was in Bangkok that time.

Edited April 10, 2008 by Isaac

[Chan CS 0]

Agree with you. Police especially at Kuching is really useless. Very hard to see them around ..

 

Can I say the whole Sarawak? So that's why the gangsterism activity is uncontrollable, or nobody is actually controlling it...

[Seth K 3]

I saw the scene photos, IT HAPPENED AT THE MAIN DEPARTURE HALL aka door to check in counters Can you imagine if you're there