Subang Skypark Development Including New RM 1.5 Billion KTM Rail Link

[Izanee 0]

The surprise announcement to me will be BA and Lufthansa flying to SZB, like in the old days  

[Kee Hooi Yen 0]

7 hours ago, Izanee said:

The surprise announcement to me will be BA and Lufthansa flying to SZB, like in the old days  

And AF, QF, Sabena, JAT…. 😜

[flee 5]

Indonesia's TransNusa to fly out of Subang Airport in Aug, Scoot remains mum

https://www.nst.com.my/business/corporate/2024/07/1075547/indonesias-transnusa-fly-out-subang-airport-aug-scoot-remains-mum

[BC Tam 2]

15 hours ago, Izanee said:

The surprise announcement to me will be BA and Lufthansa flying to SZB, like in the old days  

 

8 hours ago, Kee Hooi Yen said:

And AF, QF, Sabena, JAT…. 😜

And while the're at it, get them to fly in with retro liveries as well 😆

[KK Lee 5]

17 hours ago, JuliusWong said:

But problem is who wants to operate a small international airport. There ain't many industry players in the market. Gomen can invite international players perhaps. Let's get GIP to operate it. Hahaha! More "protek" will come.

MNC may not be interested but there is no shortage of professionals from PRC and EU could be employed under contract.

[Adam Lawrence 0]

https://www.nst.com.my/business/corporate/2024/03/1028371/main-road-subang-airport-be-realigned-ease-traffic

[Robert 0]

56 minutes ago, Adam Lawrence said:

https://www.nst.com.my/business/corporate/2024/03/1028371/main-road-subang-airport-be-realigned-ease-traffic

Of course it will be... perfect excuse for lots of additional infra work. Im waiting for somebody to come up with an LRT extension and then after it's built there will be Subang Central train LRT, bus and plane station LOL.
After that they can remove more forrest for houses.

[jani 0]

On 7/12/2024 at 4:55 PM, Robert said:

I keep an eye on the news but I think you are a magnet for it LOL
How do you keep so well informed ?

I have friends 😁😁😁

[JuliusWong 0]

1 hour ago, jani said:

I have friends 😁😁😁

Given to Malton Bhd aka Pavilion Group aka WCT Group for another shopping malls + condominium projects I would guess. Haha!

On 7/13/2024 at 12:51 PM, Robert said:

Of course it will be... perfect excuse for lots of additional infra work. Im waiting for somebody to come up with an LRT extension and then after it's built there will be Subang Central train LRT, bus and plane station LOL.
After that they can remove more forrest for houses.

How can they resume the jet operation without even getting the basic infrastructure like main road leading to the airport correct is a miracle. The whole stretch of Jln Lapangan Terbang from the airport to Kelana Jaya and Subang Jaya, especially near the Subang toll entry/exit for NKVE is a nightmare during peak hours...which is like all day long. 🥴

[jani 0]

The road infra is of course one major issue, but why wasn't the LRT alignment designed to include Subang Airport? Heck even both lines of the MRT are not too far away.

Wasted, wasted opportunity.. Especially when the KTM spur line just seems like an afterthought.

[JuliusWong 0]

1 hour ago, jani said:

The road infra is of course one major issue, but why wasn't the LRT alignment designed to include Subang Airport? Heck even both lines of the MRT are not too far away.

Wasted, wasted opportunity.. Especially when the KTM spur line just seems like an afterthought.

I think previous gomen and current gomen could not have seen or did not see there or maybe they choose not to see the potential to redevelop the Subang Airport areas. They would have thought a KTM line would be good enough. They failed to realise Elmina, Puncak Alam and Kwasa Damansara beside the airport are upcoming hot development areas. The current KTM service was unfortunately ended a few years ago because the ridership was very poor. For KL-ites and Selangor-ians everyone know how horrible, terrible and vegetable KTM services is within Klang Valley.

BUT, if they were to build a LRT station for Subang Airport, it will involve substantial detour. Temasya (provisional) and Kerajaya stations may need to be removed to accommodate Subang Airport. They have planned all the while to make Glenmarie the transit hub.

For those who are interested in the current metro services within Klang Valley, you can play with this link: https://www.google.com.my/maps/@3.1026568,101.5480576,13.79z/data=!4m2!6m1!1s1pG0doHd7_JKCCPAm4cfK8iukUw4?entry=ttu

Edited July 15 by JuliusWong

[flee 5]

6 hours ago, JuliusWong said:

I think previous gomen and current gomen could not have seen or did not see there or maybe they choose not to see the potential to redevelop the Subang Airport areas. They would have thought a KTM line would be good enough. They failed to realise Elmina, Puncak Alam and Kwasa Damansara beside the airport are upcoming hot development areas. The current KTM service was unfortunately ended a few years ago because the ridership was very poor. For KL-ites and Selangor-ians everyone know how horrible, terrible and vegetable KTM services is within Klang Valley.

BUT, if they were to build a LRT station for Subang Airport, it will involve substantial detour. Temasya (provisional) and Kerajaya stations may need to be removed to accommodate Subang Airport. They have planned all the while to make Glenmarie the transit hub.

For those who are interested in the current metro services within Klang Valley, you can play with this link: https://www.google.com.my/maps/@3.1026568,101.5480576,13.79z/data=!4m2!6m1!1s1pG0doHd7_JKCCPAm4cfK8iukUw4?entry=ttu

They should consider a spur line to Subang Airport from Glenmarie - Changi MRT style. I think maybe they should just link up with the KTM line to avoid making the KTM station a white elephant. KTM is clearly not an operator for mass rapid transit services.

[Robert 0]

A likely cheaper and simpler option is to convert the KTM link to LRT and build a link across to it from the existing LRT at Subang Jaya. A shuttle can then run on a regular basis plus for those that want to KTM there is an interchange at Subang Jaya. 

[Craig 0]

19 hours ago, jani said:

The road infra is of course one major issue, but why wasn't the LRT alignment designed to include Subang Airport? Heck even both lines of the MRT are not too far away.

Kota Damansara station (Kajang line) is about 2km from SZB as the crow flies. Problem is that 2km is almost all forest and would prefer to leave it untouched. The spur line can't be done to either the upcoming Shah Alam line or the existing Kelana/Kajang line without significant inconvenience (i.e. closing part of the line). Although might be good for the future (either Kelana or Kajang line get s a spur to SZB) and they can do higher frequencies around the city center (similar to current Ampang/Sri Petaling line with the split at Chan Sow Lin whereby Chan Sow Lin to Sentul receives higher frequency compared to the rest of the line. I have also never understood why MRTCorp never run higher train frequencies in the city center during off-peak, e.g. between Phileo Damansara / BU and Batu 11.

Another alternative is to have a new but shorter line from Elmina, passing through SZB and then take over the undead PJD link alignment. Problem with that is government need to convince Tropicana residents it's a good idea to have a train tracks running pass their backyards and whoever the PJD link developer is drops their wishes for that highway.

SZB was not part of the then government's plan to be a city airport. It was only in recent years they want to make it a city airport. There was excess capacity when KUL first opened and it was built to cater up to 100MM pax a year. Government at that time decided it's best to consolidate everything at KUL.

8 hours ago, Robert said:

A likely cheaper and simpler option is to convert the KTM link to LRT and build a link across to it from the existing LRT at Subang Jaya. A shuttle can then run on a regular basis plus for those that want to KTM there is an interchange at Subang Jaya. 

Don't think that's possible. They use a different system and the KTM link merges back onto the KTM tracks instead of the LRT line. KL Sentral is still quite far away from Subang LRT station (easily 35-40 minutes) because it goes up north close to Ara Damansara, back south again to Kelana Jaya and before heading northeast towards KL Sentral.

[JuliusWong 0]

A spur line from Glenmarie LRT station is possible, there are still same land space from the station to Subang Airport on the Saujana Hotel side. However, they may face massive opposition from the rich since the golf club and some T1  (that's top 1% of the population for our web visitor) are staying on that side. I was recently invited to one of the Datuk's house around this area. My God, I didn't even know this richies enclave exist in this area. All those Lamborghinis, Ferraris etc. On a side note, not sure if the public will approve it in term of the project and the alignment, because if it is to serve only the airport, it would need a lot of capital and given the topography, it will need to be elevated platform. They will never be able to recoup the investment in the next 20 year like many public transport in Malaysia, will forever be in the red. The area has also seen the worst of traffic jam in the past six years, I am not sure if the local residents will endure another few more years of it again.

The alternative will be like what Robert suggested to convert KTM link to LRT, that would be good, but technically wise it may not be possible as they are different technology. Well, of course with money, anything can be done, but it will need substantial investment to upgrade. KTM runs on land and LRT has either be elevated or underground.

Another idea would be spur line from Tropicana LRT station (again you need to convince the rich people here to sacrifice their privacy),  or the shortest one from Ara Damansara LRT station (Sime Darby owns most of the land here, maybe easier to convince since they are GLC). The current KTM extension link to SZB will go to waste though.

Either way, they need to think for the future when the Subang Airport upgrade is completed with final annual ppa of 8 million. 

Edited July 16 by JuliusWong

[Robert 0]

1 hour ago, JuliusWong said:

A spur line from Glenmarie LRT station is possible, there are still same land space from the station to Subang Airport on the Saujana Hotel side. However, they may face massive opposition from the rich since the golf club and some T1  (that's top 1% of the population for our web visitor) are staying on that side. I was recently invited to one of the Datuk's house around this area. My God, I didn't even know this richies enclave exist in this area. All those Lamborghinis, Ferraris etc. On a side note, not sure if the public will approve it in term of the project and the alignment, because if it is to serve only the airport, it would need a lot of capital and given the topography, it will need to be elevated platform. They will never be able to recoup the investment in the next 20 year like many public transport in Malaysia, will forever be in the red. The area has also seen the worst of traffic jam in the past six years, I am not sure if the local residents will endure another few more years of it again.

The alternative will be like what Robert suggested to convert KTM link to LRT, that would be good, but technically wise it may not be possible as they are different technology. Well, of course with money, anything can be done, but it will need substantial investment to upgrade. KTM runs on land and LRT has either be elevated or underground.

Another idea would be spur line from Tropicana LRT station (again you need to convince the rich people here to sacrifice their privacy),  or the shortest one from Ara Damansara LRT station (Sime Darby owns most of the land here, maybe easier to convince since they are GLC). The current KTM extension link to SZB will go to waste though.

Either way, they need to think for the future when the Subang Airport upgrade is completed with final annual ppa of 8 million. 

Let me try and add a little more detail to my initial thoughts. 

My idea is that after Subang station the line would branch off and further climb to an elevated section to cross all the highway intersections. 

The KTM track 1m gauge track would be removed and standard gauge tracks laid along with the LRT power/control infrastructure. There is plenty of space to do this from what I can see although a slight modification is required at Skypark station. 

The cost of trackbed conversion and platforms would be far lower than building a new elevated link from Glenmarie.

The only complicated  bit is the branch off the existing LRT and then crossing numerous highways before diving down to meet the trackbed of the airport link. The total distance of the difficult bit would be around 1-1.5 km.

This video shows that the line was build to a generous gauge. 

 

[KK Lee 5]

Many public transport solutions is available and possible but MAHB lack the will and don't want SZB to be more convenience than KUL.

 

[JuliusWong 0]

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Singapore’s budget airline Scoot to fly to Singapore via Subang from Sept 1, bookings open now

Malay Mail

https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/singapore-budget-airline-scoot-fly-092135809.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMDqjpsEWW9PtQEQJvyF-Ekn3goFKYd_r3f-yP0_3XlMHZmXwdn7jBRUyv3z0V7obVS-N3NzrsWpbVls23-imrNs0q84MMqJi36lYoYiW1ag6zOtfYIiCh1o-qAeU03nhV1ZltWtbkki2XOoTZlTWKfH8FHzswylcmlnrBe9GlkU

Thu, 18 July 2024 at 5:21 pm MYT

KUALA LUMPUR, July 18 — Singapore’s Scoot, a subsidiary of Singapore Airlines (SIA) announced that it will start operations from Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport in Subang from September 1.

The Subang to Singapore and Singapore to Subang routes will fly seven times a week, operating on the airline’s Airbus A320.

The airline plans to operate 10 weekly flights to Malaysia by September 2024.

• TR462 SIN-SZB Departure 11 55 Arrival 13 10 
• TR463 SZB-SIN Departure 14 10 Arrival 15 20

[JuliusWong 0]

Just saw the parking stand or aircraft docking stations at SZB....good luck for clearance. Very very tight......hope AirAsia and Scoot deploy their A320ceo without Sharklets. Batik Air and Firefly can't do much since their NG mmg come with winglet. God forbid, 737 Max with their Split Scimitar....

[JuliusWong 0]

Saw this on FB, thought of sharing it here. Not a bad start to SZB jet operation resumption, foresee JHB, TWU/ SDK, DMK/ BKK in the near future.

With this, KL will now have two main airports in the capital city and downtown areas, like TPE/TSA in Taipei, LHR/LCY in London (with arguably LGW, LTN, STN), although SZB is in smaller scale.

1. Domestic: Penang, KK, Kuching
2. International: Jakarta, Singapore

[Robert 0]

12 hours ago, JuliusWong said:

Just saw the parking stand or aircraft docking stations at SZB....good luck for clearance. Very very tight......hope AirAsia and Scoot deploy their A320ceo without Sharklets. Batik Air and Firefly can't do much since their NG mmg come with winglet. God forbid, 737 Max with their Split Scimitar....

My thoughts as well but Im sure that it will fit 

 

[Robert 0]

49 minutes ago, JuliusWong said:

Saw this on FB, thought of sharing it here. Not a bad start to SZB jet operation resumption, foresee JHB, TWU/ SDK, DMK/ BKK in the near future.

With this, KL will now have two main airports in the capital city and downtown areas, like TPE/TSA in Taipei, LHR/LCY in London (with arguably LGW, LTN, STN), although SZB is in smaller scale.

1. Domestic: Penang, KK, Kuching
2. International: Jakarta, Singapore

Nice... might grab this for another site 

[prosibu1 0]

Looks like 2 jets parking prepared for these schedule and still have some slot at 17:00 to 19:00...

 

https://i.imgur.com/Zokdq0u.jpeg

[jani 0]

4 hours ago, JuliusWong said:

Saw this on FB, thought of sharing it here. Not a bad start to SZB jet operation resumption, foresee JHB, TWU/ SDK, DMK/ BKK in the near future.

With this, KL will now have two main airports in the capital city and downtown areas, like TPE/TSA in Taipei, LHR/LCY in London (with arguably LGW, LTN, STN), although SZB is in smaller scale.

1. Domestic: Penang, KK, Kuching
2. International: Jakarta, Singapore

 

Interesting that Scoot gets exclusivity for SIN. That's going to be the winner of jet ops at SZB and only Scoot gets to fly it?

[Robert 0]

1 hour ago, jani said:

 

Interesting that Scoot gets exclusivity for SIN. That's going to be the winner of jet ops at SZB and only Scoot gets to fly it?

I see it that other airlines don't wish to fly there yet because wither they don't have the aircraft (FY), don't wish to affect the their XSP Ops (FY) or wish to focus on building a domestic market first eg Batik and Air Asia.