Chan CS 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 These are all purely based on rumours and there is no hard evidence to support this! I would definitely won't believe the rumours, esp with that tag line of 5 star airline with LCCs cost, who in their right business mind would think of such taglines to drive their staff? Well, for the inflight meals, no hard evident yet but as for the tag line, please refer to HERE. Well, MAS would think of such taglines to drive their business staff. Using a very cheap tagline! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth K 3 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 They actually doing it All ppl around the world or most of a.netter in this case know that MH is special bcuz of their domestic full meal.........coming up is 2 hrs flight to CGk and 3hr 50m to MNL, sounds like compare and contrast TR*** *** if I hv the money to buy new camera Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenneth T 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 (edited) Should that be true, then a fill EY fare between BKI-KUL-BKI will be very pricy. If im not mistaken it's priced at RM1,146. I dont think that's the fare they should charge if the meals is to be replaced by just snack. In the the long terms, passsengers may just switched to AK if the fare is comparatively lower plus they are now operating all new A320s fleets. Edited September 23, 2007 by Kenneth T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Victor A. 2 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 (edited) In the the long terms, passsengers may just switched to AK if the fare is comparatively lower plus they are now operating all new A320s fleets. All new A320s but terrible flight delays here and there, also not good for some people. those who travel a lot on business trip, i do think they would still prefer MH as MH flights are more punctual/on time as compared to AK. in flight meals would not be an issue for some of this people. would those travelers on business trip dare take AK flight if they have important meeting somewhere around the country when AK flights are facing terrible flight delay? would business travelers sacrifice cheaper flight fare with no meals and suffers delays? or would they take MH flight with much expensive fare and slightly above average in flight meal being served and flights being on time? Edited September 23, 2007 by Victor A. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chan CS 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 Actually, MAS do delay, yeah it is better then AK but they still delay. What is the difference? The only thing now has better than AK now I can think of is inflight service, which AK doesn't seems to be losing. And, to be honest, how many business man will fly everyday? Where the hell MAS going to dig those people out to fly with them everyday? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Imran K. 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 Management overhead and administrative chaos - these two things are the money eaters. But of course, a manager would never dream of cutting costs in his fields. Because even if he fails and he ruins the airline to death, he will surely receive a good bonus and gratification. This is precisely the problem within MAS. Always has been...and lets hope it won't always be a stick up their rear... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick R. 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 for First Class Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chan CS 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 Hey Nick the one is from AK, am I correct? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick R. 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 Yup. The SnackAttack snack box circa 2002. Inside: 1 *air kotak*(carton drink?), 1 cadbury chocolate wafer & 1 gardenia bun. Was sold for RM5~6ish ....now not sold anymore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louis L. 2 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 Yup. The SnackAttack snack box circa 2002. Inside: 1 *air kotak*(carton drink?), 1 cadbury chocolate wafer & 1 gardenia bun. Was sold for RM5~6ish ....now not sold anymore they stop selling it is because they have received couple of complain that the snack has actually attacked many passenger during flight.... so as a way to prevent it..they stop selling it... hahahaha ....just joking...no offence... PEACE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick R. 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 Yeah, it did attack me..although i didnt feel the effect of it didnt realize the bun(sardine) had expired. otherwise i would have spent my first ever KUL spotting trip in the bushes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth K 3 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 I shall try their nasi lemak when i due to fly with AK early next month, wow first low cost flight finally Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 agree that the main problem is HIGH management overheads. too many idiots running the show - too many overpaid foreign consultants who have not helped to improve MH's situation in the least. as mentioned before - JJ ong was a LOCAL who managed to turn around the fortunes of MASKargo. why can emirates and qatar airways have european managers who have the vision and foresight to continually improve the airline. why can SIA have LOCAL people with vision and foresight? MH's bosses are too comfortable with their positions - draining more money out of the ailing airline while kicking out deserving people who do the legwork. Its not about LCC cost - MH said categorically it is not an LCC. Why are they fixated on competing with one instead of focussing of SQ and EK? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mahmoud 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 as MH cabin crew... the rumour is true.. only for economy class but not GCC.. another rumor is.. MH will reduce one crew in economy for B737.. Detail from the e-mail: Meal Box implementation is guided by the following criteria: 1) Flight time is between 1 hour and 3.5 hours 2) Meal Box will replace the current EYCL meal, and it is strictly for EYCL passengers only 3) Meal Box includes normal meal and special meals (SPML) 4) Crew meal will remain unchanged (ie. Hot meal) 5) Only one (1) choice will be offered to EYCL passengers (100%) CATEGORY A • Flights between 1 to 3 hours • KUL – Indochina vv routes (Double-load sectors) • Effective date : 1st October 2007 – 31st December 2007 Flight details: Flight No Sector Type of Meal Day Current Uplift Station Trial Run Uplift Station Aircraft Type MH750 KUL/SGN Brunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH751 SGN/KUL Brunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH758 KUL/SGN Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL B734/A330-200 MH759 SGN/KUL Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL B734/A330-200 MH740 KUL/RGN Brunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH741 RGN/KUL Lunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH784 KUL/BKK Brunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH785 BKK/KUL Brunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH788 KUL/BKK Lunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH789 BKK/KUL Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH782 KUL/BKK Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL A330 MH783 BKK/KUL Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL A330 MH780 KUL/BKK Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH781 BKK/KUL Dinner 1234567 KUL KUL B734 CATEGORY B • Flights between 1 to 3 hours • Selected morning and evening flights KUL – BKI vv and KUL – KCH vv. - Single catering sectors to convert to double load sectors as trial run • Effective date : 1st October 2007 – 31st December 2007 Flight details: Flight No Sector Type of Meal Day Current Uplift Station Trial Run Uplift Station Aircraft Type MH2604 KUL/BKI Breakfast 1___5_7 KUL KUL B734 MH2605 BKI/KUL Brunch 1___5_7 BKI KUL B734 MH2504 KUL/KCH Breakfast _234_6_ KUL KUL A330-300 MH2507 KCH/KUL Brunch _234_6_ KCH KUL A330-300 MH2538 KUL/KCH Dinner ___45__ KUL KUL B734 MH2539 KCH/KUL Dinner ___45__ KCH KUL B734 MH2528 KUL/KCH Light Meal _____6_ KUL KUL A330-200 MH2529 KCH/KUL Dinner _____6_ KCH KUL A330-200 CATEGORY C • Flights between 1 to 3 hours • Selected supper/early breakfast flights KUL/KCH and KUL/MYY one way. • Effective date : 1st October 2007 – 31st December 2007 Flight details: Flight No Sector Type of Meal Day Current Uplift Station Trial Run Uplift Station Aircraft Type MH2534 KUL/KCH Supper 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH2598 KUL/MYY Dinner 1234567 KUL KUL B734 CATEGORY D • Flights between 1 to 3 hours • Selected supper/early breakfast flights KUL/BKI one way (MH2638) • Selected morning and evening flights KUL-BKI vv (MH2616 and MH2617) • Effective date : 28th October 2007 – 31st December 2007 Flight details: Flight No Sector Type of Meal Day Current Uplift Station Trial Run Uplift Station Aircraft Type MH2638 KUL/BKI 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH2616 KUL/BKI 1_3___7 KUL KUL A330-300 MH2617 BKI/KUL 1_3___7 KUL KUL A330-300 • Survey will be carried out to gauge passenger feedback on this product. • Information on the survey will be issued out separately Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 Mahmoud, any insights on how the snackbox looks like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mahmoud 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 YESS... but too lazyy for upload it... but the menu frame would be.. Breakfast A Sandwiches 3 slices (3 types of different filling per passenger) in transparent box with sticker B Cutlery pack (5 in 1) – non logo with sleeve C Drinking water (DELCOL) with sticker D Yogurt strawberry BLISS 100g E Flavoured muffin in individual pack Brunch/Lunch/Light A. Sandwiches 3 slices (3 types of different filling per passenger) in transparent box with sticker B. Cutlery pack (5 in 1) – non logo with sleeve C. Drinking water (DELCOL) with sticker D. Cookies 2 pcs E. Royal Gala red apple F. Cadbury BYTES and the box is elegent and comes with full plastic sleeve... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth K 3 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 CGK flight is not effected, wow I'm hopping for the snackbox on this flight <_> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter Sim 1 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 wow! Mahmoud, sounds more filling to me than the normal meals.. so many carbos there. Well the box would be value added for collecters I notice the effective date is 1st October 2007 – 31st December 2007 . Is this on trial only? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louis L. 2 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 (edited) YESS... but too lazyy for upload it... but the menu frame would be.. Breakfast A Sandwiches 3 slices (3 types of different filling per passenger) in transparent box with sticker B Cutlery pack (5 in 1) – non logo with sleeve C Drinking water (DELCOL) with sticker D Yogurt strawberry BLISS 100g E Flavoured muffin in individual pack Brunch/Lunch/Light A. Sandwiches 3 slices (3 types of different filling per passenger) in transparent box with sticker B. Cutlery pack (5 in 1) – non logo with sleeve C. Drinking water (DELCOL) with sticker D. Cookies 2 pcs E. Royal Gala red apple F. Cadbury BYTES and the box is elegent and comes with full plastic sleeve... i dun c any major difference between to two meal mentioned above <_ ......considering the main thing that i look at is highest calory value of food among two mean...and it still same...which sandwich...> better fly wif ak..pay less....if i want to eat oni i will purchase from them..... even how crazy i eat also..i mean in ak flight..i dun think my ticket price will be lower than mh but i usually don eat during flight(with ak)..since i will be sleeping all the way anyway ...thanks Mahmoud for the info Edited September 23, 2007 by Louis L. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isaac 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 (edited) as MH cabin crew... the rumour is true.. Oh NO. But luckilly this is just a trial run ... CATEGORY A • Flights between 1 to 3 hours • KUL – Indochina vv routes (Double-load sectors) • Effective date : 1st October 2007 – 31st December 2007 Flight details: Flight No Sector Type of Meal Day Current Uplift Station Trial Run Uplift Station Aircraft Type MH750 KUL/SGN Brunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH751 SGN/KUL Brunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH758 KUL/SGN Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL B734/A330-200 MH759 SGN/KUL Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL B734/A330-200 MH784 KUL/BKK Brunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH785 BKK/KUL Brunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH788 KUL/BKK Lunch 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH789 BKK/KUL Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH782 KUL/BKK Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL A330 MH783 BKK/KUL Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL A330 MH780 KUL/BKK Light Meal 1234567 KUL KUL B734 MH781 BKK/KUL Dinner 1234567 KUL KUL B734 Below is the picture of the meal currently serves by TG on the KUL/BKK sector. Hopefully TG will not do the same as i might fly with them in January 2008. CATEGORY B • Flights between 1 to 3 hours • Selected morning and evening flights KUL – BKI vv and KUL – KCH vv. - Single catering sectors to convert to double load sectors as trial run • Effective date : 1st October 2007 – 31st December 2007 Flight details: Flight No Sector Type of Meal Day Current Uplift Station Trial Run Uplift Station Aircraft Type MH2604 KUL/BKI Breakfast 1___5_7 KUL KUL B734 MH2605 BKI/KUL Brunch 1___5_7 BKI KUL B734 MH2504 KUL/KCH Breakfast _234_6_ KUL KUL A330-300 MH2507 KCH/KUL Brunch _234_6_ KCH KUL A330-300 MH2538 KUL/KCH Dinner ___45__ KUL KUL B734 MH2539 KCH/KUL Dinner ___45__ KCH KUL B734 MH2528 KUL/KCH Light Meal _____6_ KUL KUL A330-200 MH2529 KCH/KUL Dinner _____6_ KCH KUL A330-200 Currently i am booked on MH2663 (BKI-KUL, 734 on 16/10/07), MH065 (KUL-BKI, 333 on 20/10/07), MH069 (BKI-KUL, 734 on 3/1/08) and MH080 (KUL-BKI, 772 on 13/1/08). None of my flights are affected so far • Survey will be carried out to gauge passenger feedback on this product. • Information on the survey will be issued out separately Be smart, my friends ... Edited September 23, 2007 by Isaac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth K 3 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 Next thing we know MH propose their own 5 star terminal, same like LCC but 5 star Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith T 2 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 (edited) The snack box idea sounds VERY VERY familiar.... Just a question to MH experts - are any of MH's senior staff or consultants ex-BA staff/consultants? Because all these sound like how BA's EU catering went from hot food, to all day deli boxes (the EXACT same thing which is now confirmed for MH). And now BA's shorter EU flights are offering just a drink and a pack of chips... OT: Going for an interview with a management consulting firm in a few weeks so i might just end up as one of those con-sultans...*blush* Edited September 23, 2007 by Keith T Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isaac 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 LH also has this "snack box" thingy and it is very well-designed. But then, LH only serves the snack box on very short flights (and also KUL/BKK and SIN/CGK sector). And MAS intends on serving this snack box as far as BKI from KUL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Imran K. 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 Well... Just start buying your burgers and nuggets from McD's before you board...then inflight..makan! Been doing that for years...nothing beats a Big Mac, supersized coke (transferred into plastic bottle) and 12 piece nuggets at cruising altitude Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted September 23, 2007 (edited) Thank you so much Mahmood for the confirmation. My decision to look for the truth about this rumour here in MalaysianWings forum proved fruitful. I never expect to received such a very detailed information about it (routes effected and even the menu). Now, since you have mentioned it, I hope you'll let us MalaysianWings forumers to have a peep of how the snackbox looks like. I am glad to hear that they are coming up with a 'good' (content and design wise) snackbox, as I suggested in Post #12. Since the beginning, I am actually quite neutral with this snackbox issue taking MH's financial status into consideration (and also because I rarely fly in Economy Class nowadays). Although it is hard for most of us to accept this, I think we have to look on the business side of it. MH is in its final phase of turning around and a lot have to be done to ensure the record profit projected by the management is achieved. I understand the argument about the high management OVERHEAD cost but if those costs are 'untouchable' (being in Malaysia where such policies exist), MH has to find another way to cut cost and hence, the cutting in inflight meals. Regarding the pulling out of one cabin staff in all B734s' Economy class, service efficiencies and safety issues will arise. Reducing the number of cabin staff from 3 to 2 in Economy will increase the ratio of cabin staff to passengers from 1:43 (3 cabin staff for 128 Economy passengers) to 1:64 (2 cabin staff for 128 Economy passengers). Delivery speed will reduce as each cabin staff has to serve more passengers for inflight services and safety concern will increase as each during emergency procedures. However, in my opinion, MH's management still proceed with this idea because: - To improve cabin staff productivities and at the same time to help trimming the number of staff to favourable level as we are all aware that MH is overstaffed. When the number of staff is reduced, more costs can be saved and a proper perks for well performed staff can be laid down. - As for the concern for safety, I think given MH's excellent safety record, this aspect (unfortunately) can be overlooked. Therefore, cutbacks in inflight meals and cabin staff. Now, let bring this discussion (since it is no more a rumour) to the next level. Will be it permanent or just until the so called 'trial' period ends? What I can envisaged in the nearest future right now is that MANY POLITICIANS WILL BE BASHING MH BECAUSE OF THIS ISSUE AND DEMAND THE GOVERNMENT TO INTERFERE. Something I never couldn't accept