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Boeing confirms 787 will be at Farnborough

 

July 12, 2010

 

Boeing made official on Friday what many had speculated about for weeks: The 787 will make its international debut later this month at the Farnborough Airshow.

 

This website reported last month that the manufacturer was planning to fly Dreamliner flight test aircraft ZA003 to the UK on Sunday, July 18, to participate in the show. "We've chosen Farnborough as a venue for spotlighting the breakthrough capabilities and innovations" represented by the 787, Boeing said in a statement Friday, adding that it expected "an optimistic mood" to prevail at Farnborough "amid signs of economic recovery."

 

It said ZA003 will touch down at Farnborough the morning of July 18 and remain on static display through midday July 20. ZA003 is being used "to test and certify seats, galleys and associated cabin safety and comfort systems, among other test points," the manufacturer said.

 

It added that Qatar Airways will display its newest 777-300ER at the show as well.

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Qantas Airways has reached a deal with Boeing to bring forward delivery of eight Boeing 787-8s, so its low-cost carrier Jetstar can start operating the aircraft in mid-2012.

 

The Oneworld carrier has 50 787s on order and the first was due to be delivered in 2014, but Qantas now says the first will be delivered in mid-2012. Altogether eight 787-8s on order have been brought forward by about two years, it says.

 

These will be assigned to Jetstar which plans to use the aircraft for international flights to Asia and southern Europe and to replace its Airbus A330s.

 

Qantas says the remaining seven 787-8s and 35 787-9s on order will be delivered from 2014.

 

Jetstar will have 25 787s altogether and the other 25 787s will be for Qantas mainline.

 

Qantas plans to use the 787s and A330s for domestic flights and international services to Asia. These aircraft will replace its Boeing 767s, adds Qantas.

 

Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/14/344383/qantas-gets-earlier-delivery-slots-for-eight-787s.html

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So we'll see the 787 overhere in EU i.s.o. the 330 !!! :yahoo:

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Many here in MW criticised MH for not ordering brand new designs like the B787 and A350. After experiencing severe delays with the A380, I think MH could not risk having another aircraft experiencing delivery delays. So their decision to order proven existing designs is prudent under the circumstances.

 

New aircraft designs and technologies take time to mature. Responsible companies like Airbus and Boeing will not deliver products that are not fully tested or developed. Here is the FlightGlobal report:

 

Boeing cautions 787 first delivery could slip to 2011

 

With its debut at the 2010 Farnborough air show days away, Boeing has issued a "cautionary note" that the first 787 delivery could slip into early 2011, citing slower than anticipated instrumentation configuration changes and inspections of the horizontal stabiliser.

 

Boeing vice president and general manager Scott Fancher says some of the recent issues have "stacked up" and "could see [first delivery] move a few weeks into the new year".

 

Fancher says the schedule has not officially slipped beyond the fourth quarter timeframe to early to 2011, but adds the airframer will provide more information "as we get closer to the conclusion of flight test".

 

"None of the issues have to do with airplane performance," says Fancher, who emphasises the aircraft continue to perform as expected, adding the fleet of five flying 787 test aircraft has accumulated more than 1,100h of flight testing over 365 flights.

 

Boeing aims to complete 2,400h of flight testing on its four Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 powered test aircraft.

 

Fancher declined to say which instrumentation configuration changes had slowed the flight test programme that began in December 2009, though preparation for flight test aircraft ZA004's flight loads survey and returning ZA001, which last flew on 12 June, to flight testing, are believed to have taken significantly longer than first planned.

 

"We'll do one block of testing with one [instrumentation] configuration, then change," says Fancher who adds the changes have "taken a bit longer than first planned".

 

Additionally, Fancher says that inspections of the horizontal stabilisers of the test fleet are now complete, but that process has "led to a little bit of schedule pressure".

 

Following the revelation of the workmanship issue on 24 June that prompted the inspections, Boeing insisted the "issue will be addressed within the existing programme schedule," though that expectation appears to have shifted.

 

As a result, first flight of the sixth flight test aircraft, ZA006, the second General Electric GEnx-1B powered 787, has slid to August, says Fancher.

 

Boeing confirms ZA003, which will represent the company at the Farnborough air show, and ZA001, have both required re-work of their horizontal stabilisers.

 

In April a source at launch customer ANA indicated the carrier anticipated a slide in the schedule that could result in an early 2011 delivery.

 

Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/07/15/344496/boeing-cautions-787-first-delivery-could-slip-to-2011.html

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:Many here in MW criticised MH for not ordering brand new designs like the B787 and A350. After experiencing severe delays with the A380, I think MH could not risk having another aircraft experiencing delivery delays. So their decision to order proven existing designs is prudent under the circumstances.

 

New aircraft designs and technologies take time to mature. Responsible companies like Airbus and Boeing will not deliver products that are not fully tested or developed. Here is the FlightGlobal report:[/font]

 

IMHO, to order a new aircraft type for such circumstances is basically being a Launch Customer. A Launch Customer would be given greater benefits including discounts, attractive pricing for such frames from the manufacturers plus in some cases a co promotional campaign for such new products and the most important thing is to be involved in the evolution of the design itself. I think to miss out such opportunity is just like missing the big sale for the ladies! In the end, a "smart" airline would consider this as a big positive move. After all, once it's successfull, the price tag for such aircraft goes up ; 744, 744 and 332 are fine examples and by then getting good and reasonable delivery slots would be a challenge. Some carriers were need to pay more to "trade" their delivery slots.

 

Furthermore,once the aircraft is popular, that will be the best time to let them go and replaced a newer and improved version of maybe the same type or other types with better efficiency that's appropriately suited. Therefore the turnover may be high but the resale value will work in the carrier's favour. SQ has been practicing such approach since it's inception , their D10's were sold when it was at it's peak in the early 1980's, similarly to the 742s,757s,AB6,310 and even the 340's were out while others were trying to get them!

 

If the performance promise are not met , airlines have every right to cancel and subject to their agreement , may even seek damages with full refund. Interestingly , SQ was one of the launch customers for M11 in 1990s, however, it was later switched to 340 when M11 were not able to meet SQ's main performance demand. If i'm not mistaken the expectation was to enable the aircraft to fly non-stop from SIN - CDG with a full load of 300 pax.

 

Coming back to this particular case, late delivery means "free money" to the airlines, MH's compensasation is a fine example and that amount if not mistaken is almost the cost of at least 2 738s! Do u know that even 744s and 330s were also delayed? But fortunately it was just a mere 3 -6 months.

 

What worries me for MH is that the deliveries of the majority of these 3 types are of about the same time within the next 3 years. This may create a sudden need for CAPEX and the "age" of these fleets would be similar; this needs a carefull budget and finance game plan as to ensure that it remains relavent and profitable. A combination of lease and owned would be a way to resolve this.

 

A good way forward in MH ( or any airline) is to have a good continuous fleet renewal programme, specifically, it is not to have them replaced at the same time but distributed in a cycle of say 2000-2003 - Narrow Body replacement, 2004 - break year and 2005 - 2006 Wide body replacement and by 2007 the intro of superjumbo. By 2009 the same process again. This will ensure continuous young fleet, an equally distributed CAPEX and neccessary O&M / crew training focus and some continuos excitement amongst it's travellers.

 

Finally, a combination of the "new aircraft" like 787 or 350 with "proven aircraft" like 77W,33E,345 would be a wise idea in moving forward and not to depend on just one group. But, there should be afleet plan where eventually that the "New" ones will take over one day. If we are depanding 100% with the "proven" fleet, we may eventually come to a zero resale value.

Edited by Ruiz Razy

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Finally, a combination of the "new aircraft" like 787 or 350 with "proven aircraft" like 77W,33E,345 would be a wise idea in moving forward and not to depend on just one group. But, there should be afleet plan where eventually that the "New" ones will take over one day. If we are depanding 100% with the "proven" fleet, we may eventually come to a zero resale value.

Yes, this is fleet diversification and something that SQ and other airlines have done successfully. Unless an aircraft type is so vastly superior, it would be prudent to have different aircraft types in the fleet. MH has to learn that aircraft fleet management is an ordinary day in, day out business activity and not something that they do once every 10 or 15 years! Hopefully they will look at more fleet acquisitions by the end of the year (as stated by their CEO).

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Many here in MW criticised MH for not ordering brand new designs like the B787 and A350. After experiencing severe delays with the A380, I think MH could not risk having another aircraft experiencing delivery delays. So their decision to order proven existing designs is prudent under the circumstances.

 

New aircraft designs and technologies take time to mature. Responsible companies like Airbus and Boeing will not deliver products that are not fully tested or developed.

 

CASM of newer generation aircraft is typically 20% lower than previous generation.

 

Assumed both airline S and M are currently operating A333. If airline S ordered A350 and airline M ordered A33E to replace current A333. If airline M take delivery of A33E in 2011 and airline S take delivery of A350 in 2013 instead of 2011.

 

Between 2011 and 2013, airline M has marginal advantage over airline S, and airline S operation cost remain about the same. However, from 2015, airline S operation cost will be significant lower than airline M.

 

Will airline M remain competitive after 2013?

 

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Will airline M still be in existence after 2013 ?

Or will we be comparing statistics airline S vs airline A by then ? :D

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When both airline S and A are operating A350, airline M will almost certain be the underdog until 2021 the earliest, provided airline M can survive until that time :pardon:

 

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Boeing 787 Delivery Schedule May Slip

 

July 15, 2010

 

Boeing said on Thursday that issues raised in its 787 Dreamliner flight tests could delay first delivery of the long-awaited carbon-composite aircraft into the first part of 2011, but the company also expects an uptick in new plane demand over the next two decades.

 

Scott Fancher, general manager of the 787 programme, said the plane maker has not yet made a decision to move the first delivery to Japan's All Nippon Airways. First delivery is currently scheduled for the end of 2010.

 

"We've seen some issues recently that have pushed our schedule margin a bit," Fancher said.

 

The issues relate to "instrument configuration" and inspection work, Fancher said. He said the possible delay is not related to plane operations.

 

News of the potential delay comes ahead of the world's biggest air show next week at Farnborough near London. Boeing plans to display a Dreamliner at the air show.

 

The 787 is already more than two years behind its original schedule. Production of the plane was delayed five times in three years, and the first flight was postponed six times, because of parts shortages, design problems and a two-month strike at Boeing's factory in 2008.

 

Last month, Boeing temporarily stopped flying its test 787s after identifying a problem affecting the horizontal tail.

 

"We wanted to give a little bit of a cautionary note that things could push into the first part of next year," Fancher said on Thursday. "Our schedule still shows delivery for the end of the year."

 

Boeing said on Thursday it has chosen North Charleston, South Carolina, as the location to build a new facility to make parts for the Dreamliner interior.

 

The factory will be 10 miles from Boeing's 787 final assembly and delivery site in North Charleston. Construction is expected to begin in the fourth quarter of 2010.

 

(Reuters)

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B787 due to arrive at Farnborough on Sunday at 9.00am. Due out on Tuesday afternoon I think so only going to be at the show for the first two days.

 

Geoff

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Large pix here: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing/Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/1743725/L/

 

Dreamliner lands at Farnborough

 

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner has landed at Farnborough for its first appearance at an international air show.

 

Boeing's flagship aircraft is different from conventional aircraft, having been built largely out of light-weight composite material.

 

"This is the first time we've had a new airplane at an air show since the early 1990s," Jim Albaugh, boss of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, told the BBC.

 

The plane has been delayed by more than two years after a series of hitches.

 

When it was first conceived, the Dreamliner was a revolutionary concept, but rivals have since done much to catch up.

 

Airbus is building a similar series of planes dubbed A350, while newcomers in Russia and China are gearing up to enter the fast-growing market for single-aisle aircraft.

 

"The market is changing," said Mr Albaugh in a BBC News interview.

 

"There are a lot of companies that have a lot of technology and ambition, but competition is good. Competition makes us better. Competition makes us more innovative."

 

Long Life

The Dreamliner is scheduled for delivery to its launch customer All Nippon Airways later this year, though this deadline could slip into early 2011, Boeing told BBC News last week.

 

The plane is currently conducting daily flight tests in the US after its first flight in December 2009.

 

By then, the plane was already more than two years late, so Boeing is eager to avoid further delays.

 

However, the delays are not important in the bigger scheme of things, Mr Albaugh insisted.

 

"This is an airplane that's going to be in the market for 50 years," he said.

 

New orders

Optimism about the Dreamliner's performance in the market is mirrored by high hopes of a revival in the fortunes of the civilian aviation industry.

 

During the past two years, airlines in difficulty have held back from ordering new planes, though production schedules have been largely unaffected as aircraft manufacturers have order books stretching several years into the future.

 

This year, predicted Mr Albaugh, the customers will be back.

 

"We're going to hear a lot of orders being announced this week, both from Airbus and from Boeing," he said.

 

John Leahy, head of sales at Airbus, said on Saturday that he had bet parent company EADS chief Louis Gallois that the planemaker would match the number of orders it had taken in the year so far during the Farnborough show.

 

Industry watchers are also waiting for announcements from the world's leading airplane makers about whether and when they will update their best-selling but ageing Airbus A320 and Boeing 737 series of planes.

 

"We've got three options," Mr Albaugh said. "Do nothing, re-engine or build a new airplane."

 

A decision should be taken later this year, he said.

 

Airbus will also announce its decision after the middle of September, Mr Leahy said, hinting that it would probably fit its A320 jets with engines that should help it deliver fuel savings and thus emission cuts of about 15% from 2015.

 

"We think that is the way to go and that Boeing will be behind us before the end of the year," he said.

 

 

More videos here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10676791

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Ummmm, Sexy Curves from front to back and the blended wings reinforces the beauty of art within technology. :yahoo:

 

Would be excellent if we see such in those red and blue Wau's! After all, the curves of the Wau's matches the sexy curves of Dreamliners perfectly. :good:

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Absolutely gorgeous. Cant wait to have a chance to touch and feel.

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Boeing Sets 787 First Delivery Date for Mid-First Quarter 2011

 

EVERETT, Wash., Aug. 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing (NYSE: BA) Company said today that it now expects delivery of the first 787 in the middle of the first quarter 2011.

 

The delivery date revision follows an assessment of the availability of an engine needed for the final phases of flight test this fall.

 

While Boeing works closely with Rolls-Royce to expedite engine availability, flight testing across the test fleet continues as planned.

 

Boeing said last month that the cumulative impact of a series of issues, including supplier workmanship issues related to the horizontal stabilizer and instrumentation delays, could push first delivery of the 787 a few weeks into 2011. The delay in engine availability has extended that estimate to mid-first quarter 2011.

 

The schedule revision will not affect the company's financial guidance.

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Off-topic, even A350 production is expected to face a major delay. Has this become a norm for all newly developed aircraft?

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Off-topic, even A350 production is expected to face a major delay. Has this become a norm for all newly developed aircraft?

Another reason why MAS chose to order "old" planes like the A330. At least they know when it will be delivered - delivery delays are a luxury that MH cannot afford as its old fleet is overdue for replacement. So that is why "paper aeroplanes" like the B787/A350 cannot be considered at the moment. I dare say that once the initial and most urgent replacements are procured MH will have more breathing space and can then look at the latest tech jets like the B787/A350.

 

New, high tech aircraft are pioneering a lot of new technologies and it is not surprising that we have seen delays in the last few new generation aircraft. That is why Boeing and Airbus are baulking at bring all new designs to replace their cash cows, the B737 and A320 families. They have to get that 100% right and on schedule. Otherwise, they might bankrupt themselves!

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That is why Boeing and Airbus are baulking at bring all new designs to replace their cash cows, the B737 and A320 families. They have to get that 100% right and on schedule. Otherwise, they might bankrupt themselves!

 

I can see that having a major advantage over a clean sheet design.

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