Seng Lim 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2006 RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- The Brazilian air force continued searching Saturday morning in the densely forested Amazon region for a Gol airlines jet with about 155 people aboard that went missing Friday, Brazilian aviation authorities said. But authorities said they were no longer certain the disappearance was caused by a collision with a private jet as they earlier maintained. "During the afternoon there was another incident with a Legacy airplane, made by Embraer," federal aviation authorities said in a statement issued early Saturday morning. "It is impossible to confirm that there is a relation between the incident which caused the (Legacy) crew to perform an emergency landing in Cachimbo and the disappearance of the Gol airplane." Brazilian aviation authorities initially reported that the jetliner had collided with a smaller executive jet. Wladimir Caze, spokesman for the Brazilian aviation authority, said Gol Flight 1907 left the jungle city of Manaus and disappeared after a collision. It had been scheduled to land in Brasilia before heading to Rio de Janeiro's Antonio Tom Jobim International Airport. Manaus is a major river city in the heart of the Amazon rainforest some 1,700 miles (2,700 kilometers) northwest of Rio de Janeiro. Brazilian airport authority Infraero President Jose Carlos Pereira said the air force was searching for the jet in a densely forested region. Pereira said in a radio interview to CBN that a local farmer reported seeing a large plane flying low. The Brazilian Aviation agency said in a statement that the accident occurred midair about 130 miles (207 kilometers) south of the city of Caximbo in the municipality of Sao Felix de Araguaia in the remote southwestern region of Para state, some 2,000 kilometers (1,250 miles) northwest of Rio de Janeiro. According to the Globo news agency, about 70 family members and friends of the jetliner's passengers had been moved to a warehouse owned by Gol at the Brasilia airport to await news. Five planes of various sizes had been sent to search for the missing aircraft, the Brazilian air force said in a joint statement with the federal aviation and airport authorities. The accident occurred in the same region where a Varig 737-200 crashed in 1989 with 54 people aboard with 46 survivors. It was the first major incident for Gol Linhas Aereas Intelligentes SA, a Brazilian airline that took to the skies in 2001 with just six Boeing 737s in 2001, serving seven Brazilian cities. Gol has grown exponentially since then, dramatically boosting its fleet using the same model of plane to keep costs down while giving passengers cold box lunches and soft drinks instead of alcohol. The company is now Brazil's second largest airline after Tam Linhas Aereas SA, with more than 500 daily flights within Brazil and to Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay. It rapidly gained market share by offering low-cost tickets, modeling its service after low-cost carriers in the United States and Europe. Gol, started by the heirs of a successful bus company, also benefited from the demise of Brazil's flagship airline Varig, which virtually disintegrated earlier this year under a mountain of debt. For pictures, you can check out the following links from a chinese website: http://www.singtaonet.com/toppic/t20060930_348212.html http://www.singtaonet.com/toppic/t20060930_348212_1.html Apparently it was also being reported in chinese news channel there are 20 Japan Yamaha staffs (didn't mentioned are they japanese or not but most like they are) onboard the crashed flight. The crashed B738 delivered to GOL on 12 Sep 2006 and just logged 200 hours of flight time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azuddin 1 Report post Posted September 30, 2006 So this is the first crash involving the hull lost of 738, first pax fatallity with 737NG. and it's a 738 the one with the winglets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin Yii 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2006 TCAS not working ? or its human error(ATC perhaps)? we'll wait till the full report comes out ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y. J. Foo 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2006 (edited) first pax fatallity with 737NG. I thought it was WN at Midway crashing into a car killing a boy? Still, it is very bad indeed with a plane lost after only 2 weeks... Edited September 30, 2006 by Y. J. Foo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azuddin 1 Report post Posted September 30, 2006 I thought it was WN at Midway crashing into a car killing a boy? Still, it is very bad indeed with a plane lost after only 2 weeks... that's do involve fatallity but ground fatality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth K 3 Report post Posted September 30, 2006 So, ther crashed will have nothing to do with Boeing, I hope they all made it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 1 Report post Posted September 30, 2006 According to the Chinese website (SingTaoNet) Seng Lim provided, flight crew of the "small executive jet" confirmed collision with a large pax jet. AND the "small executive jet" landed miraculously!! :o Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seng Lim 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2006 According to the Chinese website (SingTaoNet) Seng Lim provided, flight crew of the "small executive jet" confirmed collision with a large pax jet. AND the "small executive jet" landed miraculously!! :o Yes, the executive jet is Embraer Legacy (Corporate jet version of ERJ-135). The wing of this corporate jet was damage but able to land safely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rozhan 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2006 Passenger and crew list. RIP. http://www.voegol.com.br/comunicado/pax_en...tra_noticia.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seng Lim 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2006 Wrekage has been found and no survivals. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/...rash/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Ong 1 Report post Posted October 1, 2006 So this is the first crash involving the hull lost of 738, first pax fatallity with 737NG. and it's a 738 the one with the winglets. I agree. Now GOL Airlines lost and brand new airplane: ONLY 2 WEEKS OLD!!! There goes a approx. US$85million Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Smith 1 Report post Posted October 1, 2006 Very sad news indeed. To clarify, this is the 2nd ever 737 Next Generation write-off, but the first ever crash. The other was earlier this year in a botched landing by an Air Algerie 736. The WN incident saw the a/c recover. The a/c involved was 737-8EH PR-GTD (as well as winglets has Special Performance Package). She was delivered on 4/9/2006, had 17 days and 200hr flight hours of revenue service with GOL. The Legacy I believe was N600XL who was on its delivery flight!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted October 1, 2006 Both virtually brand new machines. Reminds me of the bathtub curve in reliability theory: More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted October 1, 2006 (edited) Assuming the B738 really made contact with the Legacy. I wonder which part of the B738 touched which part of Legacy to cause the bigger plane to crash while the smaller one to fly on and land? Edited when I saw these reports: ... There was confusion over the part that may have been played in the disaster by the executive jet, an Embraer Legacy. Its pilot was reported to have said: “I practically did not see the plane. When I saw something it was nothing but a shadow. I felt a shock, which made me lose part of a wing.†However, radar showed the two planes flying about 1,000ft apart. The federal aviation authorities refused to confirm that the crash and the emergency landing were linked but aviation experts said the 737 may have been taking evasive action. ... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2383358,00.html === ... There were initial reports that the jet struck another plane, a Brazilian-made Legacy 600 executive jet near the Serra do Cachimbo region in Para state. The smaller plane was then able to land with damage to its wing and tail. ... http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...61001?hub=World So the wing+tail of the Legacy touched the B738? Maybe demolished its vertical stabilizer for the imminent crash? Here's another angle. ... Separately, seven people flying in a Legacy jet made by Empresa Brasileira de Aeronautica SA over the Amazon at the same time as the Gol plane said they felt a jolt while in the air, Globo reported today, citing police reports. Hit by Debris? The Embraer jet, as the aircraft maker is known, then lost stability and the automatic pilot disengaged, Globo said. The pilot took manual control of the aircraft and decided to make an emergency landing after noticing damage to the plane, according to the news service. None of the passengers on the plane said they saw the Gol aircraft and police aren't ruling out that the Embraer jet may have been hit by debris from the Gol plane that crashed, Globo said. ... http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...r=latin_america Edited October 1, 2006 by Naim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radzi 2 Report post Posted October 1, 2006 Some pictures of the GOL aircraft. http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.sear...inct_entry=true With only 2 weeks of service, there won't be too many pictures of her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 1 Report post Posted October 2, 2006 Assuming the B738 really made contact with the Legacy. I wonder which part of the B738 touched which part of Legacy to cause the bigger plane to crash while the smaller one to fly on and land? Amazing isn't it? One of the 738 systems must have been taken out as part of the collision. Vertical stabiliser being sliced, that's possible too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted October 2, 2006 LATEST ... Mercosur Monday, 02 October Brazil air crash 'was collision' A passenger plane which crashed in a remote Amazon region collided with another aircraft, Brazilian aviation officials have confirmed. The Boeing 737-800, flying from Manaus to the capital, Brasilia, crashed in the Amazon rainforest on Friday. All 155 passengers and crew are presumed dead after rescuers reported finding bodies but no survivors. Aviation officials had been investigating the possibility the plane hit a smaller executive jet. Denise Abreu, director of the National Civil Aviation Agency (ANAC), told reporters on Sunday that a mid-air collision occurred, but did not release any other details. Earlier, another aviation official said it was "highly probable" that a collision between the two aircrafts caused the crash. An executive jet made a forced landing with a damaged wing near the crash site on Friday. Everyone on it survived, but its pilot reported seeing a shadow and hearing a noise. Aviation officials were interviewing the jet's passengers and crew, while investigators had removed the aircraft's black box for analysis, another aviation official said. Rescuers re-started their search of northeast Brazilian state Mato Grosso on Sunday, two days after a Boeing 737-800 from Brazilian airline Gol with 155 people aboard crashed in the hard to reach area. The search, which began on Saturday at 1:30 p.m. local time, has not yet confirmed a death, the National Civil Aviation Authority told media. If all the 155 die, then it will be Brazil's worst ever fatal air crash. Jose Carlos Pereira, president of the Brazilian Airport Infrastructure Company, said the crash scene was a grisly mess, which gives rescuers little hope of finding anyone alive. "There are only bodies, fragments of bodies, more body parts and nothing else," he told reporters. Brigadier Antonio Gomes Leite Filho, from the Brazilian Air Force, said that the search would continue until a satisfactory number of bodies had been found, but said that many of the dead were mutilated beyond recognition. "Until we have a count which matches the number of passengers, the Air Force will remain in the area, searching until the chance of finding a passenger is zero," Leite said. On Sunday, 11 indigenous people joined the search, which is taking place in dense jungle in the Xingu National Park, a reserve for the Kayapo, who are known for their knowledge of the Amazon jungle. Also on Sunday, pilots and passengers from the executive jet --a 2002 Legacy manufactured by Brazilian company Embraer -- told media that they had not seen the large passenger craft until it was on top of them, but had felt an impact at 5:30 local time on Friday. Pilots told police that they had been very surprised that the Traffic alert and Collision Avoidance System had not alerted them to the nearby jet. The TCAS safety device -- which automatically communicates flight data to nearby aircraft -- is standard on modern aircraft. GOL officials told media that the pilot of the passenger jet, flight 1907 from Manaos to Rio de Janeiro, had been a very experienced pilot, having flown 15,000 hours. http://www.mercopress.com/Detalle.asp?NUM=8868 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rozhan 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2006 A picture in todays papers of the wreckage site showed the absence of burn or explosion marks etc on the ground. Wonder what happened to all the fuel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teoh Z Yao 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2006 How sad... Such nice new a/c is gone in just a flash... And also the lifes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Smith 1 Report post Posted October 2, 2006 (edited) I have seen photos of the Legacy, who was believed to have been flying with transponder off (or standby) thus no TCAS advisories would have been given to either a/c. The Legacy lost approx 80% of its port side winglet, and approx 20% of its port side horizontal stabiliser. If this is the case, this pilot is equally as skillful as he/she/it is stupid! Edited October 2, 2006 by Liam Gibb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radzi 2 Report post Posted October 2, 2006 If what they said about he Legacy switched off the transponder is true, it is not only stupid, it would be homicide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Denny Yen 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2006 Pics of Embraer Legacy 600 belonging to Brazillian AF, which survived the collision. Pic of 737 wreckage...take note of landing gear configuration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lawrence L 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2006 Pardon my ignorance.. What's up with the landing gear..??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted October 2, 2006 Pardon my ignorance.. What's up with the landing gear..??? Looks like it was selected down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lawrence L 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2006 Thx Pieter... If the landing gear was down.. Then maybe they were trying to do emergency landing.. ?? Anyone have the report of the black box..??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
