All Things FireFly

[Craig 0]

7 minutes ago, Robert said:

Was looking at this earlier and was wondering why BKK was on there because they are already flying. After a while I realised that the existing flights are to DMK haha. 
Wonder if DMK will get stopped?
Operating both locations is feasible because Scoot operate to both

Oh you are right. DMK is getting axed. The BKK-PEN is not the most desirable flight schedule with a 00:50 arrival into PEN. DMK has SL and FD where as BKK has FY and TG.

[jahur 0]

17 hours ago, Craig said:

FY applied for 3x weekly BKI-PVG and another 7x weekly PEN-BKK (making it double daily PEN-BKK). Will FY have enough 737s for this operation by May? It's going to get quite crowded for PEN-BKK with 2-3x FD, 1x TG, 1x SL, and 2x daily FY.

It is reported that 1 more 737ng will be entering around that timeline but with the 737max delays into MH not sure if this is still in check. Another 2 more due by late Q3. FY to have 8 aircrafts total by end of 2024 very lackluster on MAG's part and i could probably feel FY is also frustrated by this.

[JuliusWong 0]

8 minutes ago, jahur said:

It is reported that 1 more 737ng will be entering around that timeline but with the 737max delays into MH not sure if this is still in check. Another 2 more due by late Q3. FY to have 8 aircrafts total by end of 2024 very lackluster on MAG's part and i could probably feel FY is also frustrated by this.

My guess on the three additional B737-800NG 9M-FFF, 9M-MLK, and 9M-MLL?

[jahur 0]

1 minute ago, JuliusWong said:

My guess on the three additional B737-800NG 9M-FFF, 9M-MLK, and 9M-MLL?

MLK MLL yes but these two will only come after the 6th aircraft which was supposed to be FFF. Currently FFF has been dropped out pending some avionics upgrade. Was told the aircraft is not adequately fitted to enter into China. What aircraft no.6 is still unknown but i believe we can start asking planespotters to look out the mas hangar for any 738 that has been sitting still for more than 3 weeks once 9M-MVC has actually been delivered and doing commercial flights. 

[JuliusWong 0]

7 minutes ago, jahur said:

MLK MLL yes but these two will only come after the 6th aircraft which was supposed to be FFF. Currently FFF has been dropped out pending some avionics upgrade. Was told the aircraft is not adequately fitted to enter into China. What aircraft no.6 is still unknown but i believe we can start asking planespotters to look out the mas hangar for any 738 that has been sitting still for more than 3 weeks once 9M-MVC has actually been delivered and doing commercial flights. 

Curious to know what makes FFF different from MLK and MLL since they are from the batch and manufactured at the same time. I landed last Sunday evening unfortunately I could not see much of the hangar. Based on the customer code -8FZ, there is only one available in the market Aeromexico XA-AMW in storage since October 2023, not sure if FY would like to stick to same customer code or they will randomly grab any random B737-800NG from the used market. There are a lot of used B737-800NG available now.

[jahur 0]

7 minutes ago, JuliusWong said:

Curious to know what makes FFF different from MLK and MLL since they are from the batch and manufactured at the same time. I landed last Sunday evening unfortunately I could not see much of the hangar. Based on the customer code -8FZ, there is only one available in the market Aeromexico XA-AMW in storage since October 2023, not sure if FY would like to stick to same customer code or they will randomly grab any random B737-800NG from the used market. There are a lot of used B737-800NG available now.

Too early to speculate now as long mvc(recall it was due for delivery for late feb and it has already missed the mark) is not handed over. Fff had a few things short that most of the ml series after mlg onwards have already have them installed. 

The best is for fy to actually lease 1-2 2nd hand aircraft but as we all know MAG is very reluctant on that idea. But the slower FY is the more it will miss the bus in marketshare. Post takeover of the Sabah,  Sarawak Domestic routes and they've actually made the services even worse and inconsistent than MH with the only argument being they're about rm30-50 cheaper than MH consistently on the web bookings.

[JuliusWong 0]

22 hours ago, jahur said:

Too early to speculate now as long mvc(recall it was due for delivery for late feb and it has already missed the mark) is not handed over. Fff had a few things short that most of the ml series after mlg onwards have already have them installed. 

The best is for fy to actually lease 1-2 2nd hand aircraft but as we all know MAG is very reluctant on that idea. But the slower FY is the more it will miss the bus in marketshare. Post takeover of the Sabah,  Sarawak Domestic routes and they've actually made the services even worse and inconsistent than MH with the only argument being they're about rm30-50 cheaper than MH consistently on the web bookings.

Given how cheap the B737-800NG lease is nowadays, I don't see why MAG is reluctant to do so. They can quite easily induct two airframes from a same source to reduce the paperwork and pre-EIS activity. However this is MAG we are talking about, they have done stranger things. I have read some bad comments on the service KCH-MYY by FY vv. Certainly looks bad on MAG overall. Now that Maswings will be bought over by Sarawak government, will they be competing with MAG? That would be interesting to see. 

Many moons ago, MH domestic route map were quite extensive.

Edited March 14 by JuliusWong

[Robert 0]

24 minutes ago, JuliusWong said:

Given how cheap the B737-800NG lease is nowadays, I don't see why MAG is reluctant to do so. They can quite easily induct two airframes from a same source to reduce the paperwork and pre-EIS activity. However this is MAG we are talking about, they have done stranger things. I have read some bad comments on the service KCH-MYY by FY vv. Certainly looks bad on MAG overall. Now that Maswings will be bought over by Sarawak government, will they be competing with MAG? That would be interesting to see. 

and will they still be Enrich partners. 

[BC Tam 2]

There are Firefly flights with FY flight numbers and some with FM prefix

Any idea ?

[Robert 0]

4 minutes ago, BC Tam said:

There are Firefly flights with FY flight numbers and some with FM prefix

Any idea ?

Maybe code share flights?

[BC Tam 2]

From FR24 😀

[flee 5]

Isn't FM the IATA code for Shanghai Airlines?

[Robert 0]

3 hours ago, flee said:

Isn't FM the IATA code for Shanghai Airlines?

Looks like its an error FY also has the code FFM

 

[BC Tam 2]

🤔 ??

Edited April 21 by BC Tam

[flee 5]

13 hours ago, Robert said:

Looks like its an error FY also has the code FFM

 

Well FFM is the ICAO code and FY is the IATA code. So it is understandable that there is some confusion.

[BC Tam 2]

I am getting impression FR24 has gone bonkers - unless there is nefarious reason for the weird diversion 😀

Edited April 21 by BC Tam

[prosibu1 0]

Is it just load issue for FY reducing so many flights recently?

BKI - TWU - 7x weekly to 3x weekly

BKI - SDK - 7x weekly to 3x weekly

BKI - KCH - 9x weekly to 6x weekly

BKI - MYY - 2x weekly to canceled

KCH - MYY - 7x weekly to 3x weekly

PEN - SIN -  14x weekly to 1 weekly

PEN - JHB - 21x weekly to 8 weekly

[Pall 0]

24 minutes ago, prosibu1 said:

Is it just load issue for FY reducing so many flights recently?

BKI - TWU - 7x weekly to 3x weekly

BKI - SDK - 7x weekly to 3x weekly

BKI - KCH - 9x weekly to 6x weekly

BKI - MYY - 2x weekly to canceled

KCH - MYY - 7x weekly to 3x weekly

PEN - SIN -  14x weekly to 1 weekly

PEN - JHB - 21x weekly to 8 weekly

Doesn't look good, this is massive frequency cuts.

[jahur 0]

There's a rumor 2-3 aircrafts are being called back to SZB jet ops.

[Craig 0]

1 hour ago, jahur said:

There's a rumor 2-3 aircrafts are being called back to SZB jet ops.

This is something I don't quite get. Why is there a rush to get jet ops back at SZB when FY is not ready? Is this because of slots (apply for slots now and it's a use it or lose it kind of thing?). All these cuts will make FY even less desirable to anyone who wants to fly with them. PEN-SIN from 14 to 1 (if there aren't any typo) is just crazy.

[flee 5]

1 hour ago, Craig said:

PEN-SIN from 14 to 1 (if there aren't any typo) is just crazy.

PEN-SIN is very completive with so many airlines on the route. What is FY's USP?

[prosibu1 0]

2 hours ago, Craig said:

This is something I don't quite get. Why is there a rush to get jet ops back at SZB when FY is not ready? Is this because of slots (apply for slots now and it's a use it or lose it kind of thing?). All these cuts will make FY even less desirable to anyone who wants to fly with them. PEN-SIN from 14 to 1 (if there aren't any typo) is just crazy.

I get the frequency from radar24, also not sure y reduced so much... last time they so proud to launch with 2 daily flight directly...

 

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/pen/routes

 

 

[BC Tam 2]

Those sort of reduced FY frequencies are bad by their own right, but do look decidedly clownish when you see what AK has on offer as an alternative 🙄

[Pall 0]

Probably with MH Max delays, FY's expansion plan got backfired. As MH cannot release NG's to FY.

[Craig 0]

17 hours ago, prosibu1 said:

I get the frequency from radar24, also not sure y reduced so much... last time they so proud to launch with 2 daily flight directly...

They filed for 7 weekly flights but as it comes closer to flight date, they cancel a few flights. Next week is showing 3 flights a week and the week after 5 flights a week. I am curious if anyone flies with them when you consolidate flights like this. Combining two flights a day into one is bad enough but they are combining a few days of flight into 1 day. 

4 hours ago, Pall said:

Probably with MH Max delays, FY's expansion plan got backfired. As MH cannot release NG's to FY.

Maybe don't expand that aggressively but do it so they don't have to cancel their flights. Passengers will get pissed off. Up till now, AK still can't shed their image of flights cancelations even though it's a lot better now.