All Things FireFly

[JuliusWong 0]

Too small fleet to meet the vigorous demand of flight frequency to various destinations. Also reason why they have not resume some of the East Coast flight. With Batik Air turboprop operation at SZB ceasing, they could have capitalise on it. They offloaded a few during the COVID19 now the travel came roaring back, they are caught off guard, short of pilot, crew and aircraft. There are a lot of used ATR72 in the market, just a matter of opening the purse to lease them. 

[JuliusWong 0]

July 2018: (note that they used to do SIN-KUA, SIN-IPH, SIN-SZB, now being monopolised by Scoot Airlines for KUA and IPH, soon SZB)

February 2020:

Current Route Map:

 

[Chris Tan 0]

There’s not much of a point in comparing FY vs TR in that sense. The latter can make second and third tier Malaysian destinations work because of the huge feed in SIN. For many long-haul destinations it’s more convenient travelling via SIN than KUL.

It’s not too unusual for this to happen. KLM for example serves more destinations in the UK than BA itself. 

[Pall 0]

FY ATR72s are basically just passing time before they go into full retirement by 2027. After which FY will only operate jets, so until more jets go into their system, don't expect to see any improvements from this OTP issue. Perhaps in the coming months we will see consolidation of frequencies once their 737s start operating to PEN and other routes currently served by their ATRs.

[JuliusWong 0]

2 hours ago, Chris Tan said:

There’s not much of a point in comparing FY vs TR in that sense. The latter can make second and third tier Malaysian destinations work because of the huge feed in SIN. For many long-haul destinations it’s more convenient travelling via SIN than KUL.

It’s not too unusual for this to happen. KLM for example serves more destinations in the UK than BA itself. 

FY used to carry full load to/from these three destinations (IPH, SZB and KUA) even without any feed from SIN side., perhaps you are unaware.

[Robert 0]

35 minutes ago, JuliusWong said:

FY used to carry full load to/from these three destinations (IPH, SZB and KUA) even without any feed from SIN side., perhaps you are unaware.

yes you are correct. Didn't it stop because of CV19?

[JuliusWong 0]

1 hour ago, Robert said:

yes you are correct. Didn't it stop because of CV19?

Not really, they stopped KUA and IPH after they were caught in between the Singapore and Malaysia aviation authorities' dick measuring contest in 'forcing' FY to move to Seletar Airport in December 2018. It happened at the same time when Malaysia and Singapore were quarreling with each other because Singapore wanted to install Instrument Landing System (ILS) procedures at Seletar Airport. This will limit the building heights at Pasir Gudang areas in Johor. GPS-based instrument approach procedures was installed as an alternative. Flight to and from SZB only resumed in April 2019, four months after the fiasco first erupted.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/firefly-suspending-flights-to-singapore-malaysias-aviation-authority-raises

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-gps-based-procedures-for-seletar-airport-to-be-rolled-out-in-6-to-12-months

[Robert 0]

55 minutes ago, JuliusWong said:

Not really, they stopped KUA and IPH after they were caught in between the Singapore and Malaysia aviation authorities' dick measuring contest in 'forcing' FY to move to Seletar Airport in December 2018. It happened at the same time when Malaysia and Singapore were quarreling with each other because Singapore wanted to install Instrument Landing System (ILS) procedures at Seletar Airport. This will limit the building heights at Pasir Gudang areas in Johor. GPS-based instrument approach procedures was installed as an alternative. Flight to and from SZB only resumed in April 2019, four months after the fiasco first erupted.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/firefly-suspending-flights-to-singapore-malaysias-aviation-authority-raises

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-gps-based-procedures-for-seletar-airport-to-be-rolled-out-in-6-to-12-months

ah yes Id forgotten that sorry situation

[Robert 0]

There was an issue with my earlier data so I've updated it as of 18:00 today.

3 AOG
1 non moved since lunch time
4 operational

An update just in. Several KBR flights will now depart from KUL on a single MH flight and the passengers will be moved to KLIA soon. Estimated flight departure 10pm which is around 8 hours late.

 

Edited August 8 by Robert

[Mr.Bandit 0]

1 hour ago, Robert said:

There was an issue with my earlier data so I've updated it as of 18:00 today.

3 AOG
1 non moved since lunch time
4 operational

An update just in. Several KBR flights will now depart from KUL on a single MH flight and the passengers will be moved to KLIA soon. Estimated flight departure 10pm which is around 8 hours late.

 

It operated by FY callsign.

FY6988/6989

[Chris Tan 0]

6 hours ago, JuliusWong said:

FY used to carry full load to/from these three destinations (IPH, SZB and KUA) even without any feed from SIN side., perhaps you are unaware.

Ah yes, a “full load” always means guaranteed profit. You’re right, I wasn’t aware!

[JuliusWong 0]

11 hours ago, Chris Tan said:

Ah yes, a “full load” always means guaranteed profit. You’re right, I wasn’t aware!

You can take your sarcasm elsewhere.....

[kandiah k 0]

So what happened to community focused services by MAG for routes that may not require a narrow-body but instead a 70 to 120 seater?

I think routes like PEN-KBR, PEN-KUA, PEN-TGG, KUA-JHB, KUA-IPH, PEN-MKZ, KUA-KCH for example can be launched with a smaller aircraft such as the A220 or ERJ or CRJ? Just an idea. 

[flee 5]

3 hours ago, kandiah k said:

So what happened to community focused services by MAG for routes that may not require a narrow-body but instead a 70 to 120 seater?

I think routes like PEN-KBR, PEN-KUA, PEN-TGG, KUA-JHB, KUA-IPH, PEN-MKZ, KUA-KCH for example can be launched with a smaller aircraft such as the A220 or ERJ or CRJ? Just an idea. 

I think that those routes are more economically served by ATR72s. Just get some new ones so that they are more reliable.

[Pall 0]

23 hours ago, kandiah k said:

So what happened to community focused services by MAG for routes that may not require a narrow-body but instead a 70 to 120 seater?

I think routes like PEN-KBR, PEN-KUA, PEN-TGG, KUA-JHB, KUA-IPH, PEN-MKZ, KUA-KCH for example can be launched with a smaller aircraft such as the A220 or ERJ or CRJ? Just an idea. 

Contrary to beliefs, Regional jets are costlier to operate without the economies of scale. Its only possible if ticket prices are high enough. This model don't work in Malaysia/SEA as a whole as its a price sensitive market.

Hence ATR72 is the best type of aircraft to serve markets that are not viable for jets. 

How the E190 fits Scoot model is partly due to SIN being this regions super connector hub as well as riding on SQ's network for connections.