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Couldn't find a thread on FY (since most of the time it's lumped in MAS' Privatisation topic).

FY applied for 1x daily PEN-KNO and 2x daily SIN-PEN. Seems like a much better option than 2/3x weekly on MH. But where do they get the planes from tho?

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An evening/night departure from Singapore would definitely be welcomed, the only current option is an AK flight which leaves around 7-8pm.

Aircraft No.4 -MLJ is painted in FY livery and presumably is still being reconfigured. 

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On 11/26/2022 at 10:15 AM, Craig said:

Couldn't find a thread on FY (since most of the time it's lumped in MAS' Privatisation topic).

FY applied for 1x daily PEN-KNO and 2x daily SIN-PEN. Seems like a much better option than 2/3x weekly on MH. But where do they get the planes from tho?

They can recall back 9M-FYB msn814 and 9M-FYE msn840, currently listed without new owner or lease some extra airframes from OD, saw at least six parked at far end on the apron at SZB two days ago when I flew out of SZB, all wrapped up.

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17 hours ago, JuliusWong said:

Seems like MAG is doing refurbishment exercise for Firefly Boeing fleet too, similar to MH new interior for B737 fleet. Instead of the usual blue hues, Firefly will be getting dashes of orange colour instead. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClvLm7Gs01p/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

 

And the design of the seats are same too; except for the color mentioned by you above.

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On 11/29/2022 at 10:20 AM, JuliusWong said:

They can recall back 9M-FYB msn814 and 9M-FYE msn840, currently listed without new owner or lease some extra airframes from OD, saw at least six parked at far end on the apron at SZB two days ago when I flew out of SZB, all wrapped up.

Are they operational?

On 12/4/2022 at 5:29 PM, JuliusWong said:

Seems like MAG is doing refurbishment exercise for Firefly Boeing fleet too, similar to MH new interior for B737 fleet. Instead of the usual blue hues, Firefly will be getting dashes of orange colour instead. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClvLm7Gs01p/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

 

More suitable for FY than for MH. I am curious if FY will set up focus city at BKI/KCH and let MH concentrate on KUL. e.g. BKI-JHB/TPE/NRT/ICN/SIN/HKG or KCH/MYY-JHB/SIN on FY. 

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13 hours ago, Craig said:

Are they operational?

More suitable for FY than for MH. I am curious if FY will set up focus city at BKI/KCH and let MH concentrate on KUL. e.g. BKI-JHB/TPE/NRT/ICN/SIN/HKG or KCH/MYY-JHB/SIN on FY. 

FY still posed to take the inter sabah inter sarawak and inter peninsula. MH domestic is down to vice versa.

KUL-BKI 

KUL-KCH 

KUL-PEN 

KUL-JHB 

KUL-LGK

KUL-SBW 

KUL-BTU 

KUL-MYY 

KUL-LBU 

KUL-SDK 

KUL-TWU 

The rest will be given to FY in stages. 

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14 hours ago, Craig said:

I am curious if FY will set up focus city at BKI/KCH and let MH concentrate on KUL. e.g. BKI-JHB/TPE/NRT/ICN/SIN/HKG or KCH/MYY-JHB/SIN on FY. 

Going by the read below ? that will indeed be very much what it will look like in time ?

Malaysia's Firefly plans third hub at Kota Kinabalu, Sabah - ch-aviation

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On 12/8/2022 at 12:11 PM, jahur said:

FY still posed to take the inter sabah inter sarawak and inter peninsula. MH domestic is down to vice versa.

The rest will be given to FY in stages. 

Interesting. Seems like they are letting KUL-TGG, KBR, KUA, AOR to FY as well. Sounds about right since those destinations are served with FY from SZB more than from MH from KUL. I guess there aren't that many international connections from non-MH to/from those cities.

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5 hours ago, Craig said:

Interesting. Seems like they are letting KUL-TGG, KBR, KUA, AOR to FY as well. Sounds about right since those destinations are served with FY from SZB more than from MH from KUL. I guess there aren't that many international connections from non-MH to/from those cities.

Similar to what SQ has done with their lower-yielding regional routes - handed to TR but codeshared, so connections are still easy enough. Not so great for those expecting OW benefits, but they're probably a small minority in those markets.

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Hoping FY can increase intra-East Malaysia flights, don't mind replacing even MH itself on some routes e.g. BKI-SDK/TWU. Give AK some serious competition!

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18 hours ago, Craig said:

Interesting. Seems like they are letting KUL-TGG, KBR, KUA, AOR to FY as well. Sounds about right since those destinations are served with FY from SZB more than from MH from KUL. I guess there aren't that many international connections from non-MH to/from those cities.

MAG got rid of the previous FY CEO for segmenting Firefly too far out from MH that MH could not slot quite a lot of things into FY. Stuff such as Enrich and transiting became troublesome and complicating. Even staff benefits were not streamlined.The new team have already begun plans to integrate most of FY into MH. FFP, Transiting, codesharing and transfering would gradually be much more interlined. Only difference being the no frills business model with overall lower ticket pricing to suit local demand. Just like scoot to Sq and Thai smile  to Thai. 

Edited by jahur

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Firefly plans to fly Kch-Miri, Kch-KK from Q2 2023

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“CEO of Firefly, Philip See, has mentioned that they have planned two new routes for Sarawak which are Kuching-Miri and Kuching-Kota Kinabalu starting quarter 2, 2023,” the statement said.

While lauding the move, the ministry also said that he had suggested Firefly to add another new route to Penang from Miri given the lack of direct flights.

 

 

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On 12/17/2022 at 3:56 PM, jahur said:

MAG got rid of the previous FY CEO for segmenting Firefly too far out from MH that MH could not slot quite a lot of things into FY. Stuff such as Enrich and transiting became troublesome and complicating. Even staff benefits were not streamlined.The new team have already begun plans to integrate most of FY into MH. FFP, Transiting, codesharing and transfering would gradually be much more interlined. Only difference being the no frills business model with overall lower ticket pricing to suit local demand. Just like scoot to Sq and Thai smile  to Thai. 

The previous FY CEO you mentioned is Ignatius Ong?

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On 12/30/2022 at 2:54 PM, JuliusWong said:

The previous FY CEO you mentioned is Ignatius Ong?

Yeap. Dude penny count to a point they removed kettle heaters and ovens to save weight on the atr's. Own staffs have separate hotels not inline with MAS or even MASWings panel list. Any measures to distant itself from MAS as much as possible. 

After leaving MAG he went to touch n go digital and introduce wallet based app without thinking or finding ways upgrade the archaic TNG cards and transfer balance over before approving the app for public release. No app to card fund linkage.

Edited by jahur

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On 12/31/2022 at 2:35 PM, jahur said:

After leaving MAG he went to touch n go digital and introduce wallet based app without thinking or finding ways upgrade the archaic TNG cards and transfer balance over before approving the app for public release. No app to card fund linkage.

Maybe it's time to let him or TnG go. Much better to have a debit/credit contactless system like they do in London. TnG is creating nothing but jams at toll booths. And that 10% surcharge is BS when Visa/MC only charges 2-4%.

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On 12/31/2022 at 2:35 PM, jahur said:

Yeap. Dude penny count to a point they removed kettle heaters and ovens to save weight on the atr's. Own staffs have separate hotels not inline with MAS or even MASWings panel list. Any measures to distant itself from MAS as much as possible. 

After leaving MAG he went to touch n go digital and introduce wallet based app without thinking or finding ways upgrade the archaic TNG cards and transfer balance over before approving the app for public release. No app to card fund linkage.

Just as what I have suspected. Under Ignatius's tenure, FY seems to be forging its own direction instead of aligning with MH's, not sure if this was the MH Group management decision. I found their timetable back in October 2011, quite substantial hubs in PEN and JHB.

INTERNATONAL

From / To Singapore
Period of Operation: 27 Mar - 29 Oct 2011
Aircraft Type: ATR72-500
Routing    Frequency (Days)    Flight No    Departure    Arrival    Fly Time
M    T    W    T    F    S    S
Subang - Singapore    Daily    3525    7:00    8:10    1:10
Subang - Singapore    Daily    3501    8:00    9:10    1:10
Subang - Singapore    Daily    3503    9:10    10:20    1:10
Subang - Singapore    Daily    3505    10:00    11:10    1:10
Subang - Singapore    Daily    3511    13:05    14:15    1:10
Subang - Singapore    Daily    3515    15:10    16:20    1:10
Subang - Singapore    Daily    3521    20:00    21:10    1:10
Singapore - Ipoh    Daily    3542    9:30    11:00    1:30
Singapore - Ipoh    Daily    3546    14:50    16:20    1:30
Singapore - Kuantan    M    *    W    *    F    *    S    3572    10:40    11:40    1:00
Singapore - Subang    Daily    3526    8:30    9:40    1:10
Singapore - Subang    Daily    3502    11:30    12:40    1:10
Singapore - Subang    Daily    3506    13:10    14:20    1:10
Singapore - Subang    Daily    3508    14:20    15:30    1:10
Singapore - Subang    Daily    3510    16:40    17:50    1:10
Singapore - Subang    Daily    3516    18:45    19:55    1:10
Singapore - Subang    Daily    3522    21:30    22:40    1:10
Ipoh - Singapore    Daily    3543    11:20    12:50    1:30
Ipoh - Singapore    Daily    3547    16:45    18:15    1:30
Kuantan - Singapore    M    *    W    *    F    *    S    3573    12:50    13:50    1:00
 

From / To Subang
Period of Operation: 27 Mar - 29 Oct 2011
Aircraft Type: ATR72-500
Routing    Frequency (Days)    Flight No    Departure    Arrival    Fly Time
M    T    W    T    F    S    S
Subang - Pekanbaru    *    T    *    T    *    S    *    FY3409    10:05    10:05    1:00
Pekanbaru - Subang    *    T    *    T    *    S    *    FY3408    10:25    12:25    1:00
Subang - Batam    M    *    W    *    F    *    S    FY3425    10:05    10:25    1:20
Batam- Subang    M    *    W    *    F    *    S    FY3426    10:45    13:05    1:20
Subang - Medan    Daily    FY3412    13:40    13:55    1:15
Medan - Subang    Daily    FY3413    14:15    16:30    1:15
Subang - Koh Samui    Daily    FY3608    13:35    14:35    2:00
Koh Samui - Subang    Daily    FY3609    14:55    17:55    2:00
 

From / To Johor Bahru
Period of Operation: 14 Aug 2011 - 24 Mar 2012
Aircraft Type: Boeing 737-400
Routing    Frequency (Days)    Flight No    Departure    Arrival    Fly Time
M    T    W    T    F    S    S
Johor Bahru - Bandung*    *    T    *    T    *    S    *    FY823    11:20    12:20    2:00
Johor Bahru - Surabaya    M    *    W    *    F    *    S    FY831    12:30    13:35    2:05
Bandung - Johor Bahru*    *    T    *    T    *    S    *    FY824    12:50    15:50    2:00
Surabaya - Johor Bahru    M    *    W    *    F    *    S    FY830    14:05    17:10    2:05
* Starts on 16 Aug 2011.

From / To Penang
Period of Operation: 27 Mar - 29 Oct 2011
Aircraft Type: ATR72-500
Routing    Frequency (Days)    Flight No    Departure    Arrival    Fly Time
M    T    W    T    F    S    S
Penang - Medan    Daily    FY3402    7:15    7:10    0:55
Penang - Medan    Daily    FY3406    17:40    17:35    0:55
Medan - Penang    Daily    FY3403    7:30    9:25    0:55
Medan - Penang    Daily    FY3407    18:00    19:55    0:55
Penang - Banda Aceh    Daily    FY3401    11:20    12:00    1:40
Banda Aceh - Penang    Daily    FY3400    12:20    15:00    1:40
Penang - Phuket    M    *    W    *    F    *    S    FY3604    13:30    13:45    1:15
Phuket - Penang    M    *    W    *    F    *    S    FY3605    14:10    16:25    1:15

DOMESTIC

From / To KLIA
Period of Operation: 15 Jan - 29 Oct 2011
Aircraft Type: Boeing 737-800
Routing    Frequency (Days)    Flight No    Departure    Arrival    Fly Time
M    T    W    T    F    S    S
Kuala Lumpur-Kota Kinabalu    Daily    FY502    0655    0930    2:35
Kuala Lumpur-Kota Kinabalu    Daily    FY514    1305    1540    2:35
Kuala Lumpur-Kota Kinabalu    Daily    FY528    1915    2150    2:35
Kuala Lumpur - Kota Kinabalu    Daily    FY526+    2215    0050    2:35
Kuala Lumpur - Kota Kinabalu    Daily    FY510+    0955    1230    2:35
Kuala Lumpur - Kota Kinabalu    Daily    FY522+    1605    1840    2:35
Kuala Lumpur-Kuching    Daily    FY602    0710    0855    1:45
Kuala Lumpur-Kuching    Daily    FY608    1145    1330    1:45
Kuala Lumpur-Kuching    Daily    FY622    1620    1805    1:45
Kuala Lumpur-Kuching    Daily    FY630    2045    2230    1:45
Kuala Lumpur - Kuching    Daily    FY604++    0830    1015    1:45
Kuala Lumpur - Kuching    Daily    FY612++    1305    1450    1:45
Kuala Lumpur - Kuching    Daily    FY624++    1730    1915    1:45
Kuala Lumpur-Sibu    Daily    FY660**    0720    0915    1:55
Kuala Lumpur-Sibu    Daily    FY664**    1745    1940    1:55
Kuala Lumpur-Sandakan    Daily    FY540#    0650    0935    2:45
Kuala Lumpur-Sandakan    Daily    FY546#    1840    2125    2:45
Kota Kinabalu-Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY501    1000    1225    2:35
Kota Kinabalu-Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY513    1610    1835    2:35
Kota Kinabalu-Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY527    2220    0045    2:35
Kota Kinabalu - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY509+    1310    1535    2:35
Kota Kinabalu - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY521+    1920    2145    2:35
Kota Kinabalu - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY525+    0700    0925    2:35
Kuching-Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY601    0935    1115    1:40
Kuching-Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY607    1400    1540    1:40
Kuching-Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY621    1835    2015    1:40
Kuching-Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY629    2300    0040    1:40
Kuching - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY603++    1045    1225    1:45
Kuching - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY611++    1520    1700    1:45
Kuching - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY623++    1945    2125    1:45
Kuala Lumpur - Langkawi    Daily    FY750##    8:00    8:55    0:55
Kuala Lumpur - Langkawi    Daily    FY752##    13:00    13:55    0:55
Kuala Lumpur - Langkawi    Daily    FY754##    16:05    17:00    0:55
Langkawi - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY751##    9:25    10:25    1:00
Langkawi - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY753##    14:25    15:25    1:00
Langkawi - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY755##    17:30    18:30    1:00
Sibu - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY661**    0945    1135    1:50
Sibu - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY665**    2010    2200    1:50
Sandakan - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY541#    1005    1250    2:45
Sandakan - Kuala Lumpur    Daily    FY547#    2155    0040    2:45
+ Starts operations on 15 May 2011
++ Starts operations on 1 June 2011
** Starts operations on 1 July 2011
# Starts Operations on 1 August 2011
## Starts operations on 1 December 2011

From / To Johor Bahru
Period of Operation: 19 May - 29 Oct 2011
Aircraft Type: Boeing 737-400
Routing    Frequency (Days)    Flight No    Departure    Arrival    Fly Time
M    T    W    T    F    S    S
Johor Bahru - Kota Kinabalu    Daily    FY802**    0700    0915    2:15
Johor Bahru - Kota Kinabalu    Daily    FY804**    1700    1915    2:15
Johor Bahru - Kuching    Daily    FY816*    0730    0855    1:20
Johor Bahru - Kuching    Daily    FY818*    1750    1915    1:20
Kota Kinabalu - Johor Bahru    Daily    FY801**    0945    1200    2:15
Kota Kinabalu - Johor Bahru    Daily    FY803**    1945    2200    2:15
Kuching - Johor Bahru    Daily    FY815*    0925    1045    1:20
Kuching - Johor Bahru    Daily    FY819*    2030    2150    1:20
* Starts operations on 19 May 2011
** Starts operations on 16 Jun 2011

From / To Subang
Period of Operation: 27 Mar - 29 Oct 2011
Aircraft Type: ATR72-500
Routing    Frequency (Days)    Flight No    Departure    Arrival    Fly Time
M    T    W    T    F    S    S
Subang - Alor Setar    Daily    FY2168    8:30    9:40    1:10
Subang - Alor Setar    Daily    FY2172    19:00    20:10    1:10
Alor Setar - Subang    Daily    FY2169    10:00    11:10    1:10
Alor Setar - Subang    Daily    FY2173    20:30    21:40    1:10
Subang - Johor Bahru    Daily    FY2141    7:25    8:15    1:00
Subang - Johor Bahru    Daily    FY2149    18:35    19:35    1:00
Johor Bahru - Subang    Daily    FY2140    8:45    9:45    1:00
Johor Bahru - Subang    Daily    FY2148    19:55    20:55    1:00
Subang - Kota Bharu    Daily    FY2060    7:15    8:20    1:05
Subang - Kota Bharu    Daily    FY2062    10:05    11:10    1:05
Subang - Kota Bharu    Daily    FY2064    12:20    13:25    1:05
Subang - Kota Bharu    Daily    FY2066    16:50    17:55    1:05
Subang - Kota Bharu    Daily    FY2068    18:10    19:15    1:05
Subang - Kota Bharu    Daily    FY2070    20:20    21:25    1:05
Subang - Kota Bharu    Daily    FY2072    21:15    22:20    1:05
Kota Bharu - Subang    Daily    FY2061    8:30    9:35    1:05
Kota Bharu - Subang    Daily    FY2063    11:30    12:35    1:05
Kota Bharu - Subang    Daily    FY2065    13:45    14:50    1:05
Kota Bharu - Subang    Daily    FY2067    18:15    19:20    1:05
Kota Bharu - Subang    Daily    FY2069    19:35    20:40    1:05
Kota Bharu - Subang    Daily    FY2071    21:40    22:50    1:05
Kota Bharu - Subang    Daily    FY2073    22:40    23:45    1:05
Subang - Kerteh    M    T    W    T    *    *    *    FY2002*    6:30    7:30    1:00
Subang - Kerteh    M    T    W    T    *    *    *    FY2006*    17:00    18:00    1:00
Kerteh - Subang    M    T    W    T    *    *    *    FY2003*    7:50    8:50    1:00
Kerteh - Subang    M    T    W    T    *    *    *    FY2007*    18:20    19:20    1:00
Subang - Langkawi    Daily    FY2050    11:30    12:45    1:15
Subang - Langkawi    Daily    FY2056    15:25    16:40    1:15
Langkawi - Subang    Daily    FY2051    13:05    14:20    1:15
Langkawi - Subang    Daily    FY2057    17:00    18:15    1:15
Subang - Penang    Daily    FY2080    6:55    7:55    1:00
Subang - Penang    Daily    FY2086    9:55    10:55    1:00
Subang - Penang    Daily    FY2088    12:35    13:35    1:00
Subang - Penang    Daily    FY2090    14:50    15:50    1:00
Subang - Penang    Daily    FY2084    16:10    17:10    1:00
Subang - Penang    Daily    FY2092    17:40    18:40    1:00
Subang - Penang    Daily    FY2094    18:25    19:25    1:00
Subang - Penang    Daily    FY2096    19:40    20:40    1:00
Subang - Penang    Daily    FY2098    21:00    22:00    1:00
Subang - Penang    Daily    FY2216    23:00    23:59    1:00
Penang - Subang    Daily    FY2081    7:00    8:00    1:00
Penang - Subang    Daily    FY2085    11:15    12:15    1:00
Penang - Subang    Daily    FY2087    13:55    14:55    1:00
Penang - Subang    Daily    FY2083    15:30    16:30    1:00
Penang - Subang    Daily    FY2089    16:20    17:20    1:00
Penang - Subang    Daily    FY2093    17:30    18:30    1:00
Penang - Subang    Daily    FY2095    19:45    20:45    1:00
Penang - Subang    Daily    FY2097    20:50    21:50    1:00
Penang - Subang    Daily    FY2099    21:40    22:40    1:00
Penang - Subang    Daily    FY2217    22:30    23:30    1:00
Subang - K.Terengganu    Daily    FY2100    7:05    8:05    1:00
Subang - K.Terengganu    Daily    FY2102    15:30    16:30    1:00
Subang - K.Terengganu    Daily    FY2106    19:50    20:50    1:00
K.Terengganu - Subang    Daily    FY2101    8:25    9:25    1:00
K.Terengganu - Subang    Daily    FY2103    16:50    17:50    1:00
K.Terengganu - Subang    Daily    FY2107    21:30    22:30    1:00
* - FY2002/2003/2006/2007 will not operate on 17May11, 30Aug11, 31Aug11 and 26Oct11.

From / To Penang
Period of Operation: 27 Mar - 29 Oct 2011
Aircraft Type: ATR72-500
Routing    Frequency (Days)    Flight No    Departure    Arrival    Fly Time
M    T    W    T    F    S    S
Penang - Langkawi    Daily    FY1010    8:20    8:55    0:35
Penang - Langkawi    Daily    FY1016    19:00    19:35    0:35
Langkawi - Penang    Daily    FY1011    9:15    9:50    0:35
Langkawi - Penang    Daily    FY1017    19:55    20:30    0:35
Penang - Kota Bharu    *    T    W    *    F    *    S    FY1002    10:10    11:05    0:55
Kota Bharu - Penang    *    T    W    *    F    *    S    FY1001    11:25    12:20    0:55
Penang - Kuantan    *    T    *    T    *    S    *    FY1035    13:30    15:00    1:30
Kuantan - Penang    *    T    *    T    *    S    *    FY1034    15:20    16:50    1:30

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1 hour ago, JuliusWong said:

Just as what I have suspected. Under Ignatius's tenure, FY seems to be forging its own direction instead of aligning with MH's, not sure if this was the MH Group management decision. I found their timetable back in October 2011, quite substantial hubs in PEN and JHB.

Its own direction is okay with route planning. The problem arises when it cant interlink many stuffs from MH. SQ to MI/TR, CX to KA they all did a clean subsidiary to subsidiary ecosystem. 

One of the he was not keen on was also the IATA Cat 5 dangerous goods certification and medevec. Was also against the oneworld linking and codesharing with MH, enrich points unusuable. Fy Engineering segmented far out til a point it was pretty much a skeleton team with no leverage from MH. MAG is trying to fix all of this now with very limited budget.

Even the Inter Sabah/Sarawak Domestic was not well thought off. With the upcoming potential takeover from MH, FY as of today is still not certified for medical paxing, can't carry pets, cant carry Medical equipment, cant carry electronics all in all no difference from Airasia. It will be a derivative of airasia without the perks from MH. It may come to a time where MASWings still has to do some of required flights as they the only ones certified apart from MH. Its one of the reason KUL to TWU/SDK/MYY/SBW/BTU will still be under MH. Some of the essential logistics is still not sorted and no other airlines wants to take the initiative. 

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On 1/4/2023 at 11:35 AM, jahur said:

Even the Inter Sabah/Sarawak Domestic was not well thought off. With the upcoming potential takeover from MH, FY as of today is still not certified for medical paxing, can't carry pets, cant carry Medical equipment, cant carry electronics all in all no difference from Airasia. It will be a derivative of airasia without the perks from MH. It may come to a time where MASWings still has to do some of required flights as they the only ones certified apart from MH. Its one of the reason KUL to TWU/SDK/MYY/SBW/BTU will still be under MH. Some of the essential logistics is still not sorted and no other airlines wants to take the initiative. 

Interesting. But yet some Malaysians want MAG to fold because it's useless and wants AK to be our national carrier.  

Are there any plans for FY to be an affiliate member of OW (e.g. what KA used to be) or more of what 3K is to some carriers at SIN. Since FY doesn't operate out of KUL (yet), I guess there'll be limited OW interline/connection but are they able to interline with OW carriers (e.g. DOH-KUL(QR)-BTU(FY)) in the future?

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1 hour ago, Craig said:

Interesting. But yet some Malaysians want MAG to fold because it's useless and wants AK to be our national carrier.  

Are there any plans for FY to be an affiliate member of OW (e.g. what KA used to be) or more of what 3K is to some carriers at SIN. Since FY doesn't operate out of KUL (yet), I guess there'll be limited OW interline/connection but are they able to interline with OW carriers (e.g. DOH-KUL(QR)-BTU(FY)) in the future?

Joining OW and linking most of the codeshare listing from MH is what FY was meant to gradually go towards during the early jet days. Cost prohibition is probably the reason why FY kept distancing itself from MH years ago. MH is also very penny constraint. With MAG streamlined this issue is still somewhat not rectified.

For the current jet ops it will open up KUL base and BKI in the future. Inter Peninsula flights are pretty much of no issue you can send your pets etc on the road that are within 3-6hours driving. Hence why FY can operate sectors like KUL-KBR/TGG/KUA/. Flying to east Msia is a different story. While MH can remove itself, Imagine the locals having to fork up sending a cat or dog on a chartered 737-800f or sharing cargo with the pure freighters like worldcargo/pos/raya and paying 4 figures. In maswings even on short 40minutes flights its very common for passengers to bring in live kampung dogs/chicken/ducks that will be stored in the aft cargo for the twin otter and front cargo for the atr72. Firefly cant do this.

Another issue being medical paxing, chartering private jets costing nearly 20-60k on the insurance bill on very rare occasion RMAF(itself running on budget fumes) will do some waiver mercy flights. A lot of this do not pop up on most of the rakyat living in their fluffy "Bangsar Bubble". Screaming "Orang kampung sila berhijrah ke bandar jangan kacau binatang liar bunuh gajah/buaya" and then caught dumbfounded when you have the opposite green wave took a large chunk in the previous election lol.

Hopefully MAG would sponsor FY's cargo certification. But that is a heavy cost startup.

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KA set-up was quite different from MH+FY and SQ+MI/TR actually. KA holds several landing rights to several airports in mainland China which explains why CX Group was reluctant to fully integrate it pre-COVID era. If they were to merge earlier, they would have lost some, if not, majority of the landing rights. CX only had Beijing and Shanghai, KA has all those other cities. Hence CX's leverage on tis uniqueness to be admitted as oneworld affiliate member.

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23 hours ago, jahur said:

Joining OW and linking most of the codeshare listing from MH is what FY was meant to gradually go towards during the early jet days. Cost prohibition is probably the reason why FY kept distancing itself from MH years ago. MH is also very penny constraint. With MAG streamlined this issue is still somewhat not rectified.

Another issue being medical paxing, chartering private jets costing nearly 20-60k on the insurance bill on very rare occasion RMAF(itself running on budget fumes) will do some waiver mercy flights. A lot of this do not pop up on most of the rakyat living in their fluffy "Bangsar Bubble". Screaming "Orang kampung sila berhijrah ke bandar jangan kacau binatang liar bunuh gajah/buaya" and then caught dumbfounded when you have the opposite green wave took a large chunk in the previous election lol.

Hopefully MAG would sponsor FY's cargo certification. But that is a heavy cost startup.

Thank you for your insight and info. Is FY's medical pax/cargo certification obtained fro CAAM or some international body (since they also operate international flights). Does MH want FY to be sort of TR of SQ (e.g. both MH and FY serving popular destinations e.g. HKT, SIN, BKK, DPS from KUL) so there's a slightly cheaper but less frill option than MH or is it more of a complement carrier, serving destinations that doesn't have business demand and more price sensitive travelers.

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1 hour ago, Craig said:

Thank you for your insight and info. Is FY's medical pax/cargo certification obtained fro CAAM or some international body (since they also operate international flights). Does MH want FY to be sort of TR of SQ (e.g. both MH and FY serving popular destinations e.g. HKT, SIN, BKK, DPS from KUL) so there's a slightly cheaper but less frill option than MH or is it more of a complement carrier, serving destinations that doesn't have business demand and more price sensitive travelers.

Most of certification training are usually conducted under IATA which CAAM recognizes and have to be renewed annually. 

Market forces has been steadily pushing the domestic travel demand for the no frills affordable. Hence MH has decided to offloaded most of the domestic routes to FY. It has also decided to not take over flights between peninsula to east msia due to logistic and certification issue that fy does not have.

How routing works so its like taking TPE/NRT to BKI MH and then you'll be transfered to FY for the BKI-SDK leg all bookable on mh website with enrich and potential ow listing if all is executed well.

If i am not mistaken once most of the domestic takeover has been covered. It will look into places that MH formerly terminates such as BKI-HKG, Peninsula- China routes. 

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