Craig 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2022 Couldn't find a thread on FY (since most of the time it's lumped in MAS' Privatisation topic). FY applied for 1x daily PEN-KNO and 2x daily SIN-PEN. Seems like a much better option than 2/3x weekly on MH. But where do they get the planes from tho? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom/PER 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2022 An evening/night departure from Singapore would definitely be welcomed, the only current option is an AK flight which leaves around 7-8pm. Aircraft No.4 -MLJ is painted in FY livery and presumably is still being reconfigured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2022 On 11/26/2022 at 10:15 AM, Craig said: Couldn't find a thread on FY (since most of the time it's lumped in MAS' Privatisation topic). FY applied for 1x daily PEN-KNO and 2x daily SIN-PEN. Seems like a much better option than 2/3x weekly on MH. But where do they get the planes from tho? They can recall back 9M-FYB msn814 and 9M-FYE msn840, currently listed without new owner or lease some extra airframes from OD, saw at least six parked at far end on the apron at SZB two days ago when I flew out of SZB, all wrapped up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2022 Seems like MAG is doing refurbishment exercise for Firefly Boeing fleet too, similar to MH new interior for B737 fleet. Instead of the usual blue hues, Firefly will be getting dashes of orange colour instead. https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClvLm7Gs01p/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamizi Hj Tamby 1 Report post Posted December 5, 2022 17 hours ago, JuliusWong said: Seems like MAG is doing refurbishment exercise for Firefly Boeing fleet too, similar to MH new interior for B737 fleet. Instead of the usual blue hues, Firefly will be getting dashes of orange colour instead. https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClvLm7Gs01p/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= And the design of the seats are same too; except for the color mentioned by you above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2022 On 11/29/2022 at 10:20 AM, JuliusWong said: They can recall back 9M-FYB msn814 and 9M-FYE msn840, currently listed without new owner or lease some extra airframes from OD, saw at least six parked at far end on the apron at SZB two days ago when I flew out of SZB, all wrapped up. Are they operational? On 12/4/2022 at 5:29 PM, JuliusWong said: Seems like MAG is doing refurbishment exercise for Firefly Boeing fleet too, similar to MH new interior for B737 fleet. Instead of the usual blue hues, Firefly will be getting dashes of orange colour instead. https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClvLm7Gs01p/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= More suitable for FY than for MH. I am curious if FY will set up focus city at BKI/KCH and let MH concentrate on KUL. e.g. BKI-JHB/TPE/NRT/ICN/SIN/HKG or KCH/MYY-JHB/SIN on FY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2022 10 hours ago, Craig said: Are they operational? Yes, they are. Just need a bit of TLC, then they are good to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jahur 0 Report post Posted December 8, 2022 13 hours ago, Craig said: Are they operational? More suitable for FY than for MH. I am curious if FY will set up focus city at BKI/KCH and let MH concentrate on KUL. e.g. BKI-JHB/TPE/NRT/ICN/SIN/HKG or KCH/MYY-JHB/SIN on FY. FY still posed to take the inter sabah inter sarawak and inter peninsula. MH domestic is down to vice versa. KUL-BKI KUL-KCH KUL-PEN KUL-JHB KUL-LGK KUL-SBW KUL-BTU KUL-MYY KUL-LBU KUL-SDK KUL-TWU The rest will be given to FY in stages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted December 8, 2022 14 hours ago, Craig said: I am curious if FY will set up focus city at BKI/KCH and let MH concentrate on KUL. e.g. BKI-JHB/TPE/NRT/ICN/SIN/HKG or KCH/MYY-JHB/SIN on FY. Going by the read below 👇 that will indeed be very much what it will look like in time 😀 Malaysia's Firefly plans third hub at Kota Kinabalu, Sabah - ch-aviation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 12:11 PM, jahur said: FY still posed to take the inter sabah inter sarawak and inter peninsula. MH domestic is down to vice versa. The rest will be given to FY in stages. Interesting. Seems like they are letting KUL-TGG, KBR, KUA, AOR to FY as well. Sounds about right since those destinations are served with FY from SZB more than from MH from KUL. I guess there aren't that many international connections from non-MH to/from those cities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Tan 0 Report post Posted December 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Craig said: Interesting. Seems like they are letting KUL-TGG, KBR, KUA, AOR to FY as well. Sounds about right since those destinations are served with FY from SZB more than from MH from KUL. I guess there aren't that many international connections from non-MH to/from those cities. Similar to what SQ has done with their lower-yielding regional routes - handed to TR but codeshared, so connections are still easy enough. Not so great for those expecting OW benefits, but they're probably a small minority in those markets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alif A. F. 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 Hoping FY can increase intra-East Malaysia flights, don't mind replacing even MH itself on some routes e.g. BKI-SDK/TWU. Give AK some serious competition! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jahur 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Craig said: Interesting. Seems like they are letting KUL-TGG, KBR, KUA, AOR to FY as well. Sounds about right since those destinations are served with FY from SZB more than from MH from KUL. I guess there aren't that many international connections from non-MH to/from those cities. MAG got rid of the previous FY CEO for segmenting Firefly too far out from MH that MH could not slot quite a lot of things into FY. Stuff such as Enrich and transiting became troublesome and complicating. Even staff benefits were not streamlined.The new team have already begun plans to integrate most of FY into MH. FFP, Transiting, codesharing and transfering would gradually be much more interlined. Only difference being the no frills business model with overall lower ticket pricing to suit local demand. Just like scoot to Sq and Thai smile to Thai. Edited December 17, 2022 by jahur Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zamir 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2022 Firefly plans to fly Kch-Miri, Kch-KK from Q2 2023 Quote “CEO of Firefly, Philip See, has mentioned that they have planned two new routes for Sarawak which are Kuching-Miri and Kuching-Kota Kinabalu starting quarter 2, 2023,” the statement said. While lauding the move, the ministry also said that he had suggested Firefly to add another new route to Penang from Miri given the lack of direct flights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2022 On 12/17/2022 at 3:56 PM, jahur said: MAG got rid of the previous FY CEO for segmenting Firefly too far out from MH that MH could not slot quite a lot of things into FY. Stuff such as Enrich and transiting became troublesome and complicating. Even staff benefits were not streamlined.The new team have already begun plans to integrate most of FY into MH. FFP, Transiting, codesharing and transfering would gradually be much more interlined. Only difference being the no frills business model with overall lower ticket pricing to suit local demand. Just like scoot to Sq and Thai smile to Thai. The previous FY CEO you mentioned is Ignatius Ong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jahur 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) On 12/30/2022 at 2:54 PM, JuliusWong said: The previous FY CEO you mentioned is Ignatius Ong? Yeap. Dude penny count to a point they removed kettle heaters and ovens to save weight on the atr's. Own staffs have separate hotels not inline with MAS or even MASWings panel list. Any measures to distant itself from MAS as much as possible. After leaving MAG he went to touch n go digital and introduce wallet based app without thinking or finding ways upgrade the archaic TNG cards and transfer balance over before approving the app for public release. No app to card fund linkage. Edited December 31, 2022 by jahur Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2023 On 12/31/2022 at 2:35 PM, jahur said: After leaving MAG he went to touch n go digital and introduce wallet based app without thinking or finding ways upgrade the archaic TNG cards and transfer balance over before approving the app for public release. No app to card fund linkage. Maybe it's time to let him or TnG go. Much better to have a debit/credit contactless system like they do in London. TnG is creating nothing but jams at toll booths. And that 10% surcharge is BS when Visa/MC only charges 2-4%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2023 On 12/31/2022 at 2:35 PM, jahur said: Yeap. Dude penny count to a point they removed kettle heaters and ovens to save weight on the atr's. Own staffs have separate hotels not inline with MAS or even MASWings panel list. Any measures to distant itself from MAS as much as possible. After leaving MAG he went to touch n go digital and introduce wallet based app without thinking or finding ways upgrade the archaic TNG cards and transfer balance over before approving the app for public release. No app to card fund linkage. Just as what I have suspected. Under Ignatius's tenure, FY seems to be forging its own direction instead of aligning with MH's, not sure if this was the MH Group management decision. I found their timetable back in October 2011, quite substantial hubs in PEN and JHB. INTERNATONAL From / To Singapore Period of Operation: 27 Mar - 29 Oct 2011 Aircraft Type: ATR72-500 Routing Frequency (Days) Flight No Departure Arrival Fly Time M T W T F S S Subang - Singapore Daily 3525 7:00 8:10 1:10 Subang - Singapore Daily 3501 8:00 9:10 1:10 Subang - Singapore Daily 3503 9:10 10:20 1:10 Subang - Singapore Daily 3505 10:00 11:10 1:10 Subang - Singapore Daily 3511 13:05 14:15 1:10 Subang - Singapore Daily 3515 15:10 16:20 1:10 Subang - Singapore Daily 3521 20:00 21:10 1:10 Singapore - Ipoh Daily 3542 9:30 11:00 1:30 Singapore - Ipoh Daily 3546 14:50 16:20 1:30 Singapore - Kuantan M * W * F * S 3572 10:40 11:40 1:00 Singapore - Subang Daily 3526 8:30 9:40 1:10 Singapore - Subang Daily 3502 11:30 12:40 1:10 Singapore - Subang Daily 3506 13:10 14:20 1:10 Singapore - Subang Daily 3508 14:20 15:30 1:10 Singapore - Subang Daily 3510 16:40 17:50 1:10 Singapore - Subang Daily 3516 18:45 19:55 1:10 Singapore - Subang Daily 3522 21:30 22:40 1:10 Ipoh - Singapore Daily 3543 11:20 12:50 1:30 Ipoh - Singapore Daily 3547 16:45 18:15 1:30 Kuantan - Singapore M * W * F * S 3573 12:50 13:50 1:00 From / To Subang Period of Operation: 27 Mar - 29 Oct 2011 Aircraft Type: ATR72-500 Routing Frequency (Days) Flight No Departure Arrival Fly Time M T W T F S S Subang - Pekanbaru * T * T * S * FY3409 10:05 10:05 1:00 Pekanbaru - Subang * T * T * S * FY3408 10:25 12:25 1:00 Subang - Batam M * W * F * S FY3425 10:05 10:25 1:20 Batam- Subang M * W * F * S FY3426 10:45 13:05 1:20 Subang - Medan Daily FY3412 13:40 13:55 1:15 Medan - Subang Daily FY3413 14:15 16:30 1:15 Subang - Koh Samui Daily FY3608 13:35 14:35 2:00 Koh Samui - Subang Daily FY3609 14:55 17:55 2:00 From / To Johor Bahru Period of Operation: 14 Aug 2011 - 24 Mar 2012 Aircraft Type: Boeing 737-400 Routing Frequency (Days) Flight No Departure Arrival Fly Time M T W T F S S Johor Bahru - Bandung* * T * T * S * FY823 11:20 12:20 2:00 Johor Bahru - Surabaya M * W * F * S FY831 12:30 13:35 2:05 Bandung - Johor Bahru* * T * T * S * FY824 12:50 15:50 2:00 Surabaya - Johor Bahru M * W * F * S FY830 14:05 17:10 2:05 * Starts on 16 Aug 2011. From / To Penang Period of Operation: 27 Mar - 29 Oct 2011 Aircraft Type: ATR72-500 Routing Frequency (Days) Flight No Departure Arrival Fly Time M T W T F S S Penang - Medan Daily FY3402 7:15 7:10 0:55 Penang - Medan Daily FY3406 17:40 17:35 0:55 Medan - Penang Daily FY3403 7:30 9:25 0:55 Medan - Penang Daily FY3407 18:00 19:55 0:55 Penang - Banda Aceh Daily FY3401 11:20 12:00 1:40 Banda Aceh - Penang Daily FY3400 12:20 15:00 1:40 Penang - Phuket M * W * F * S FY3604 13:30 13:45 1:15 Phuket - Penang M * W * F * S FY3605 14:10 16:25 1:15 DOMESTIC From / To KLIA Period of Operation: 15 Jan - 29 Oct 2011 Aircraft Type: Boeing 737-800 Routing Frequency (Days) Flight No Departure Arrival Fly Time M T W T F S S Kuala Lumpur-Kota Kinabalu Daily FY502 0655 0930 2:35 Kuala Lumpur-Kota Kinabalu Daily FY514 1305 1540 2:35 Kuala Lumpur-Kota Kinabalu Daily FY528 1915 2150 2:35 Kuala Lumpur - Kota Kinabalu Daily FY526+ 2215 0050 2:35 Kuala Lumpur - Kota Kinabalu Daily FY510+ 0955 1230 2:35 Kuala Lumpur - Kota Kinabalu Daily FY522+ 1605 1840 2:35 Kuala Lumpur-Kuching Daily FY602 0710 0855 1:45 Kuala Lumpur-Kuching Daily FY608 1145 1330 1:45 Kuala Lumpur-Kuching Daily FY622 1620 1805 1:45 Kuala Lumpur-Kuching Daily FY630 2045 2230 1:45 Kuala Lumpur - Kuching Daily FY604++ 0830 1015 1:45 Kuala Lumpur - Kuching Daily FY612++ 1305 1450 1:45 Kuala Lumpur - Kuching Daily FY624++ 1730 1915 1:45 Kuala Lumpur-Sibu Daily FY660** 0720 0915 1:55 Kuala Lumpur-Sibu Daily FY664** 1745 1940 1:55 Kuala Lumpur-Sandakan Daily FY540# 0650 0935 2:45 Kuala Lumpur-Sandakan Daily FY546# 1840 2125 2:45 Kota Kinabalu-Kuala Lumpur Daily FY501 1000 1225 2:35 Kota Kinabalu-Kuala Lumpur Daily FY513 1610 1835 2:35 Kota Kinabalu-Kuala Lumpur Daily FY527 2220 0045 2:35 Kota Kinabalu - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY509+ 1310 1535 2:35 Kota Kinabalu - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY521+ 1920 2145 2:35 Kota Kinabalu - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY525+ 0700 0925 2:35 Kuching-Kuala Lumpur Daily FY601 0935 1115 1:40 Kuching-Kuala Lumpur Daily FY607 1400 1540 1:40 Kuching-Kuala Lumpur Daily FY621 1835 2015 1:40 Kuching-Kuala Lumpur Daily FY629 2300 0040 1:40 Kuching - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY603++ 1045 1225 1:45 Kuching - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY611++ 1520 1700 1:45 Kuching - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY623++ 1945 2125 1:45 Kuala Lumpur - Langkawi Daily FY750## 8:00 8:55 0:55 Kuala Lumpur - Langkawi Daily FY752## 13:00 13:55 0:55 Kuala Lumpur - Langkawi Daily FY754## 16:05 17:00 0:55 Langkawi - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY751## 9:25 10:25 1:00 Langkawi - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY753## 14:25 15:25 1:00 Langkawi - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY755## 17:30 18:30 1:00 Sibu - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY661** 0945 1135 1:50 Sibu - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY665** 2010 2200 1:50 Sandakan - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY541# 1005 1250 2:45 Sandakan - Kuala Lumpur Daily FY547# 2155 0040 2:45 + Starts operations on 15 May 2011 ++ Starts operations on 1 June 2011 ** Starts operations on 1 July 2011 # Starts Operations on 1 August 2011 ## Starts operations on 1 December 2011 From / To Johor Bahru Period of Operation: 19 May - 29 Oct 2011 Aircraft Type: Boeing 737-400 Routing Frequency (Days) Flight No Departure Arrival Fly Time M T W T F S S Johor Bahru - Kota Kinabalu Daily FY802** 0700 0915 2:15 Johor Bahru - Kota Kinabalu Daily FY804** 1700 1915 2:15 Johor Bahru - Kuching Daily FY816* 0730 0855 1:20 Johor Bahru - Kuching Daily FY818* 1750 1915 1:20 Kota Kinabalu - Johor Bahru Daily FY801** 0945 1200 2:15 Kota Kinabalu - Johor Bahru Daily FY803** 1945 2200 2:15 Kuching - Johor Bahru Daily FY815* 0925 1045 1:20 Kuching - Johor Bahru Daily FY819* 2030 2150 1:20 * Starts operations on 19 May 2011 ** Starts operations on 16 Jun 2011 From / To Subang Period of Operation: 27 Mar - 29 Oct 2011 Aircraft Type: ATR72-500 Routing Frequency (Days) Flight No Departure Arrival Fly Time M T W T F S S Subang - Alor Setar Daily FY2168 8:30 9:40 1:10 Subang - Alor Setar Daily FY2172 19:00 20:10 1:10 Alor Setar - Subang Daily FY2169 10:00 11:10 1:10 Alor Setar - Subang Daily FY2173 20:30 21:40 1:10 Subang - Johor Bahru Daily FY2141 7:25 8:15 1:00 Subang - Johor Bahru Daily FY2149 18:35 19:35 1:00 Johor Bahru - Subang Daily FY2140 8:45 9:45 1:00 Johor Bahru - Subang Daily FY2148 19:55 20:55 1:00 Subang - Kota Bharu Daily FY2060 7:15 8:20 1:05 Subang - Kota Bharu Daily FY2062 10:05 11:10 1:05 Subang - Kota Bharu Daily FY2064 12:20 13:25 1:05 Subang - Kota Bharu Daily FY2066 16:50 17:55 1:05 Subang - Kota Bharu Daily FY2068 18:10 19:15 1:05 Subang - Kota Bharu Daily FY2070 20:20 21:25 1:05 Subang - Kota Bharu Daily FY2072 21:15 22:20 1:05 Kota Bharu - Subang Daily FY2061 8:30 9:35 1:05 Kota Bharu - Subang Daily FY2063 11:30 12:35 1:05 Kota Bharu - Subang Daily FY2065 13:45 14:50 1:05 Kota Bharu - Subang Daily FY2067 18:15 19:20 1:05 Kota Bharu - Subang Daily FY2069 19:35 20:40 1:05 Kota Bharu - Subang Daily FY2071 21:40 22:50 1:05 Kota Bharu - Subang Daily FY2073 22:40 23:45 1:05 Subang - Kerteh M T W T * * * FY2002* 6:30 7:30 1:00 Subang - Kerteh M T W T * * * FY2006* 17:00 18:00 1:00 Kerteh - Subang M T W T * * * FY2003* 7:50 8:50 1:00 Kerteh - Subang M T W T * * * FY2007* 18:20 19:20 1:00 Subang - Langkawi Daily FY2050 11:30 12:45 1:15 Subang - Langkawi Daily FY2056 15:25 16:40 1:15 Langkawi - Subang Daily FY2051 13:05 14:20 1:15 Langkawi - Subang Daily FY2057 17:00 18:15 1:15 Subang - Penang Daily FY2080 6:55 7:55 1:00 Subang - Penang Daily FY2086 9:55 10:55 1:00 Subang - Penang Daily FY2088 12:35 13:35 1:00 Subang - Penang Daily FY2090 14:50 15:50 1:00 Subang - Penang Daily FY2084 16:10 17:10 1:00 Subang - Penang Daily FY2092 17:40 18:40 1:00 Subang - Penang Daily FY2094 18:25 19:25 1:00 Subang - Penang Daily FY2096 19:40 20:40 1:00 Subang - Penang Daily FY2098 21:00 22:00 1:00 Subang - Penang Daily FY2216 23:00 23:59 1:00 Penang - Subang Daily FY2081 7:00 8:00 1:00 Penang - Subang Daily FY2085 11:15 12:15 1:00 Penang - Subang Daily FY2087 13:55 14:55 1:00 Penang - Subang Daily FY2083 15:30 16:30 1:00 Penang - Subang Daily FY2089 16:20 17:20 1:00 Penang - Subang Daily FY2093 17:30 18:30 1:00 Penang - Subang Daily FY2095 19:45 20:45 1:00 Penang - Subang Daily FY2097 20:50 21:50 1:00 Penang - Subang Daily FY2099 21:40 22:40 1:00 Penang - Subang Daily FY2217 22:30 23:30 1:00 Subang - K.Terengganu Daily FY2100 7:05 8:05 1:00 Subang - K.Terengganu Daily FY2102 15:30 16:30 1:00 Subang - K.Terengganu Daily FY2106 19:50 20:50 1:00 K.Terengganu - Subang Daily FY2101 8:25 9:25 1:00 K.Terengganu - Subang Daily FY2103 16:50 17:50 1:00 K.Terengganu - Subang Daily FY2107 21:30 22:30 1:00 * - FY2002/2003/2006/2007 will not operate on 17May11, 30Aug11, 31Aug11 and 26Oct11. From / To Penang Period of Operation: 27 Mar - 29 Oct 2011 Aircraft Type: ATR72-500 Routing Frequency (Days) Flight No Departure Arrival Fly Time M T W T F S S Penang - Langkawi Daily FY1010 8:20 8:55 0:35 Penang - Langkawi Daily FY1016 19:00 19:35 0:35 Langkawi - Penang Daily FY1011 9:15 9:50 0:35 Langkawi - Penang Daily FY1017 19:55 20:30 0:35 Penang - Kota Bharu * T W * F * S FY1002 10:10 11:05 0:55 Kota Bharu - Penang * T W * F * S FY1001 11:25 12:20 0:55 Penang - Kuantan * T * T * S * FY1035 13:30 15:00 1:30 Kuantan - Penang * T * T * S * FY1034 15:20 16:50 1:30 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted January 4, 2023 We flew on them Melaka to Penang in 2012 - peanuts and fruit cordial 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jahur 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JuliusWong said: Just as what I have suspected. Under Ignatius's tenure, FY seems to be forging its own direction instead of aligning with MH's, not sure if this was the MH Group management decision. I found their timetable back in October 2011, quite substantial hubs in PEN and JHB. Its own direction is okay with route planning. The problem arises when it cant interlink many stuffs from MH. SQ to MI/TR, CX to KA they all did a clean subsidiary to subsidiary ecosystem. One of the he was not keen on was also the IATA Cat 5 dangerous goods certification and medevec. Was also against the oneworld linking and codesharing with MH, enrich points unusuable. Fy Engineering segmented far out til a point it was pretty much a skeleton team with no leverage from MH. MAG is trying to fix all of this now with very limited budget. Even the Inter Sabah/Sarawak Domestic was not well thought off. With the upcoming potential takeover from MH, FY as of today is still not certified for medical paxing, can't carry pets, cant carry Medical equipment, cant carry electronics all in all no difference from Airasia. It will be a derivative of airasia without the perks from MH. It may come to a time where MASWings still has to do some of required flights as they the only ones certified apart from MH. Its one of the reason KUL to TWU/SDK/MYY/SBW/BTU will still be under MH. Some of the essential logistics is still not sorted and no other airlines wants to take the initiative. Edited January 4, 2023 by jahur Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 11:35 AM, jahur said: Even the Inter Sabah/Sarawak Domestic was not well thought off. With the upcoming potential takeover from MH, FY as of today is still not certified for medical paxing, can't carry pets, cant carry Medical equipment, cant carry electronics all in all no difference from Airasia. It will be a derivative of airasia without the perks from MH. It may come to a time where MASWings still has to do some of required flights as they the only ones certified apart from MH. Its one of the reason KUL to TWU/SDK/MYY/SBW/BTU will still be under MH. Some of the essential logistics is still not sorted and no other airlines wants to take the initiative. Interesting. But yet some Malaysians want MAG to fold because it's useless and wants AK to be our national carrier. Are there any plans for FY to be an affiliate member of OW (e.g. what KA used to be) or more of what 3K is to some carriers at SIN. Since FY doesn't operate out of KUL (yet), I guess there'll be limited OW interline/connection but are they able to interline with OW carriers (e.g. DOH-KUL(QR)-BTU(FY)) in the future? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jahur 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Craig said: Interesting. But yet some Malaysians want MAG to fold because it's useless and wants AK to be our national carrier. Are there any plans for FY to be an affiliate member of OW (e.g. what KA used to be) or more of what 3K is to some carriers at SIN. Since FY doesn't operate out of KUL (yet), I guess there'll be limited OW interline/connection but are they able to interline with OW carriers (e.g. DOH-KUL(QR)-BTU(FY)) in the future? Joining OW and linking most of the codeshare listing from MH is what FY was meant to gradually go towards during the early jet days. Cost prohibition is probably the reason why FY kept distancing itself from MH years ago. MH is also very penny constraint. With MAG streamlined this issue is still somewhat not rectified. For the current jet ops it will open up KUL base and BKI in the future. Inter Peninsula flights are pretty much of no issue you can send your pets etc on the road that are within 3-6hours driving. Hence why FY can operate sectors like KUL-KBR/TGG/KUA/. Flying to east Msia is a different story. While MH can remove itself, Imagine the locals having to fork up sending a cat or dog on a chartered 737-800f or sharing cargo with the pure freighters like worldcargo/pos/raya and paying 4 figures. In maswings even on short 40minutes flights its very common for passengers to bring in live kampung dogs/chicken/ducks that will be stored in the aft cargo for the twin otter and front cargo for the atr72. Firefly cant do this. Another issue being medical paxing, chartering private jets costing nearly 20-60k on the insurance bill on very rare occasion RMAF(itself running on budget fumes) will do some waiver mercy flights. A lot of this do not pop up on most of the rakyat living in their fluffy "Bangsar Bubble". Screaming "Orang kampung sila berhijrah ke bandar jangan kacau binatang liar bunuh gajah/buaya" and then caught dumbfounded when you have the opposite green wave took a large chunk in the previous election lol. Hopefully MAG would sponsor FY's cargo certification. But that is a heavy cost startup. Edited January 6, 2023 by jahur Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2023 KA set-up was quite different from MH+FY and SQ+MI/TR actually. KA holds several landing rights to several airports in mainland China which explains why CX Group was reluctant to fully integrate it pre-COVID era. If they were to merge earlier, they would have lost some, if not, majority of the landing rights. CX only had Beijing and Shanghai, KA has all those other cities. Hence CX's leverage on tis uniqueness to be admitted as oneworld affiliate member. Cathay Pacific Route Map as of July 1, 1996 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2023 23 hours ago, jahur said: Joining OW and linking most of the codeshare listing from MH is what FY was meant to gradually go towards during the early jet days. Cost prohibition is probably the reason why FY kept distancing itself from MH years ago. MH is also very penny constraint. With MAG streamlined this issue is still somewhat not rectified. Another issue being medical paxing, chartering private jets costing nearly 20-60k on the insurance bill on very rare occasion RMAF(itself running on budget fumes) will do some waiver mercy flights. A lot of this do not pop up on most of the rakyat living in their fluffy "Bangsar Bubble". Screaming "Orang kampung sila berhijrah ke bandar jangan kacau binatang liar bunuh gajah/buaya" and then caught dumbfounded when you have the opposite green wave took a large chunk in the previous election lol. Hopefully MAG would sponsor FY's cargo certification. But that is a heavy cost startup. Thank you for your insight and info. Is FY's medical pax/cargo certification obtained fro CAAM or some international body (since they also operate international flights). Does MH want FY to be sort of TR of SQ (e.g. both MH and FY serving popular destinations e.g. HKT, SIN, BKK, DPS from KUL) so there's a slightly cheaper but less frill option than MH or is it more of a complement carrier, serving destinations that doesn't have business demand and more price sensitive travelers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jahur 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Craig said: Thank you for your insight and info. Is FY's medical pax/cargo certification obtained fro CAAM or some international body (since they also operate international flights). Does MH want FY to be sort of TR of SQ (e.g. both MH and FY serving popular destinations e.g. HKT, SIN, BKK, DPS from KUL) so there's a slightly cheaper but less frill option than MH or is it more of a complement carrier, serving destinations that doesn't have business demand and more price sensitive travelers. Most of certification training are usually conducted under IATA which CAAM recognizes and have to be renewed annually. Market forces has been steadily pushing the domestic travel demand for the no frills affordable. Hence MH has decided to offloaded most of the domestic routes to FY. It has also decided to not take over flights between peninsula to east msia due to logistic and certification issue that fy does not have. How routing works so its like taking TPE/NRT to BKI MH and then you'll be transfered to FY for the BKI-SDK leg all bookable on mh website with enrich and potential ow listing if all is executed well. If i am not mistaken once most of the domestic takeover has been covered. It will look into places that MH formerly terminates such as BKI-HKG, Peninsula- China routes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
