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1 hour ago, KK Lee said:

If financially feasible, other will step in. MH is a failure and will continue to drain valuable resources.

Believe govt should just shut down all Malaysian carriers. No chance of failing airlines and draining resources. Much more feasible.

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8 hours ago, KK Lee said:

If financially feasible, other will step in. MH is a failure and will continue to drain valuable resources.

Taxpayers have been subsidizing MAB for RM800m p.a for last few years. Money saved for certain more than enough to contract Medevec.

The problem medevec is never financially feasible u dimwitt. No matter how many times we try to tell you. You just dont listen. You just yapp nonstop like a stupid puppy. Just shutup okay? 

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12 hours ago, Craig said:

Is this BBJ owned/leased by a Malaysian? Seems to be spotted around SZB/LGK quite often based on historical photos (and very odd that a repatriation flight landed in SZB).

It is owned by Weststar Aviation but registered in Guernsey. Most probably for tax purpose. Sergey and Larry of Google put her up for sale in 2017, and was sold and flown to Malaysia in August 2018.

https://www.2-reg.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/register-20200301r1.pdf

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10 hours ago, Chris Tan said:

Believe govt should just shut down all Malaysian carriers. No chance of failing airlines and draining resources. Much more feasible.

That isn't such a bad idea, especially since Malaysia Airlines is such a money pit these past few decades. Lets not spoil Airasia and Malindo by giving them the same drug to treat their sickness. Taxpayers don't like to see their money wasted.

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50 minutes ago, flee said:

That isn't such a bad idea, especially since Malaysia Airlines is such a money pit these past few decades. Lets not spoil Airasia and Malindo by giving them the same drug to treat their sickness. Taxpayers don't like to see their money wasted.

And then they will jack up the price like indonesia. 🤣 When everything closes shop. Do you think foreign airlines both flag carriers and lcc even bother to set up flights here and maintain the same domestic frequency that we have? Especially post covid impact? Think logically for once. Or you're the type to stay at home and hope rich businessmen fork out their own to charter their own private jet domestically to settle business.

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56 minutes ago, flee said:

That isn't such a bad idea, especially since Malaysia Airlines is such a money pit these past few decades. Lets not spoil Airasia and Malindo by giving them the same drug to treat their sickness. Taxpayers don't like to see their money wasted.

But it's a better idea to channel that money into some other shady project that in all likelihood will benefit even fewer Malaysians? Is that your idea of taxpayers' money well spent? :)

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1 hour ago, jahur said:

And then they will jack up the price like indonesia. 🤣 When everything closes shop. Do you think foreign airlines both flag carriers and lcc even bother to set up flights here and maintain the same domestic frequency that we have? Especially post covid impact? Think logically for once. Or you're the type to stay at home and hope rich businessmen fork out their own to charter their own private jet domestically to settle business.

Don't worry - when MAS, Airasia and Malindo shut down, some other brilliant business people will set up another new airline. Look at the amount of budding airline tycoons trying to set up even when the big 3 are still in business. Maybe Flylove will suddenly become our national airline! :yahoo:

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1 hour ago, Chris Tan said:

But it's a better idea to channel that money into some other shady project that in all likelihood will benefit even fewer Malaysians? Is that your idea of taxpayers' money well spent? :)

I was just supporting your idea of shutting everything down. Maybe use the savings to repay our trillion RM debt and save some interest. We still have to pay for past mistakes, don't we?

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6 minutes ago, flee said:

Don't worry - when MAS, Airasia and Malindo shut down, some other brilliant business people will set up another new airline. Look at the amount of budding airline tycoons trying to set up even when the big 3 are still in business. Maybe Flylove will suddenly become our national airline! :yahoo:

Sound simple. Doesnt work. Wheres fly mojo, wheres sabah sarawak own airline. The main problem is money. To start up a new airline where you're going to find 25bil ringgit(just to maintain 2 dozen narrowbody) that is estimate to maintain the frequency of flights at a reduced rate. So everyones tickets gets cancelled aye. Its the same everywhere. Its a focal point that airlines is still a very subsidised industry and there's no level playing field globally. Unless one can treat flying as non necessity, expect world govs to continue helping out the airlines and the hotel industry.

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9 minutes ago, flee said:

I was just supporting your idea of shutting everything down. Maybe use the savings to repay our trillion RM debt and save some interest. We still have to pay for past mistakes, don't we?

Where in the world is there a 1 trillion rimggit debt for Malaysia. It was 50-54% gdp debt. Dont put in liabilities as debt. Again this is what pakatan Failed at explaining to the public.

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12 hours ago, jahur said:

The problem medevec is never financially feasible u dimwitt. No matter how many times we try to tell you. You just dont listen. You just yapp nonstop like a stupid puppy. Just shutup okay? 

 

8 hours ago, jahur said:

And then they will jack up the price like indonesia. 🤣 When everything closes shop. Do you think foreign airlines both flag carriers and lcc even bother to set up flights here and maintain the same domestic frequency that we have? Especially post covid impact? Think logically for once. Or you're the type to stay at home and hope rich businessmen fork out their own to charter their own private jet domestically to settle business.

Buddy,

what’s with the anger ? You looking to vent go elsewhere. Otherwise fine a better way to express your opinions. 

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7 hours ago, flee said:

Maybe Flylove will suddenly become our national airline! :yahoo:

I never seen the news on that airline . All my search result came up with was the movie  Rio with the blue parrots LOL 

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21 hours ago, jahur said:

The problem medevec is never financially feasible u dimwitt. No matter how many times we try to tell you. You just dont listen. You just yapp nonstop like a stupid puppy. Just shutup okay? 

 

16 hours ago, jahur said:

And then they will jack up the price like indonesia. 🤣 When everything closes shop. Do you think foreign airlines both flag carriers and lcc even bother to set up flights here and maintain the same domestic frequency that we have? Especially post covid impact? Think logically for once. Or you're the type to stay at home and hope rich businessmen fork out their own to charter their own private jet domestically to settle business.

 

15 hours ago, jahur said:

Sound simple. Doesnt work. Wheres fly mojo, wheres sabah sarawak own airline. The main problem is money. To start up a new airline where you're going to find 25bil ringgit(just to maintain 2 dozen narrowbody) that is estimate to maintain the frequency of flights at a reduced rate. So everyones tickets gets cancelled aye. Its the same everywhere. Its a focal point that airlines is still a very subsidised industry and there's no level playing field globally. Unless one can treat flying as non necessity, expect world govs to continue helping out the airlines and the hotel industry.

How many medevec flights needed each year? How much would it cost if is to charter or contract air ambulance? Would RM80m in 2019 be enough?

MAHB is already offer incentive to attract airlines to serve KUL. To encourage competition and suppressed airfare, gomen could spend more to attract more foreign airlines to serve KUL. Without MH, ticket price to US and EU is not more expensive than previously.

The curtailed of MH network has proved, MH is non essential, financially not feasible and the country could relocate resources to better use.

New airlines doesn't start with 2 dozen narrowbody, most grow from a fleet of two. RM800m gomen spent on MH each year could start and sustain a decent size fleet. A major issue in this country is to find competent management. One solution is gomen to offer 51/49% JV with foreign airlines.

Edited by KK Lee

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On 3/27/2020 at 1:10 AM, JuliusWong said:

Mexico's Interjet which has been financially limping before COVID-19 has halted its international flight since 24th March 2020. They are sending their fleet over to US for storage. 

Airbus A320     -251N     7523          XA-JRM     Interjet     ferried 24mar20 CUN-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 7576 XA-APO MEX-TUS-GYR)     ex F-WWBC
Airbus A320     -251N     7581          XA-APA     Interjet     ferried 26mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor     ex F-WWIC
Airbus A320     -251N     8970          XA-WJS     Interjet     ferried 19mar20 MEX-TLC-SJO on return to lessor (+ 9056 XA-ARG TLC-SJO)     ex F-WWBM
Airbus A320     -214     1162          XA-INJ     Interjet     ferried 24mar20 GDL-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 3690 XA-ABC CUN-TUS-GYR)     ex F-WQUV
Airbus A321     -211     7879          XA-TEA     Interjet     ferried 26mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor     ex D-AVZR
Airbus A321     -251N     7986          XA-MAP     Interjet     ferried 25mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 8023 XA-VMM, + 8575 XA-PGA)     ex D-AVYM
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=1

A320-214     4304          XA-ING     Interjet     ferried 26mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 4411 XA-SUN,+ 5358 XA-WAB MEX-TUS-CNO)     ex OE-IAY
A320-214     5221          XA-JAV     Interjet     ferried 30mar20 CUN-TUS-CNO on return to lessor     ex D-AXAW
A320-214     7238          XA-CRM     Interjet     ferried 30mar20 MEX-TUS on return to lessor     ex F-WWDU
A320-214     7264          XA-CBA     Interjet     ferried 30mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor     ex F-WWDR
A320 -214    2964          XA-NBA     Interjet     ferried 27mar20 MEX-TUS on return to lessor     ex EI-EYS
A320-214      3374          XA-BIC     Interjet     ferried 28mar20 MEX-TUS on return to lessor     ex XA-MXL
A321-251N     8353          XA-DBR     Interjet     ferried 29mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor     ex D-AYAY
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=4

Apparently Interjet is in dispute with several lessors over lease hence they are returning majority of their fleet. All 22 SSJ100 are grounded too due to lack of spare parts.

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4 hours ago, KK Lee said:

 

 

How many medevec flights needed each year? How much would it cost if is to charter or contract air ambulance? Would RM80m in 2019 be enough?

MAHB is already offer incentive to attract airlines to serve KUL. To encourage competition and suppressed airfare, gomen could spend more to attract more foreign airlines to serve KUL. Without MH, ticket price to US and EU is not more expensive than previously.

The curtailed of MH network has proved, MH is non essential, financially not feasible and the country could relocate resources to better use.

New airlines doesn't start with 2 dozen narrowbody, most grow from a fleet of two. RM800m gomen spent on MH each year could start and sustain a decent size fleet. A major issue in this country is to find competent management. One solution is gomen to offer 51/49% JV with foreign airlines.

For us in east Malaysia they're essential. In a week so many stretcher pax flying to the west Malaysia and AK was not keen on getting certified for that since 2008.

Would foreign airline operate BKI-SDK 3x daily? or BKI-KCH with 4x daily? I seriously doubt that can happen unless gov fork out money to buy planes for them.

It will be fine to close down MAB provided no suspension in any routes immediately. Best solution is to sell it of to competent companies and let them immediately resume all routes. But will there be one interested to buy now with Covid now in place?

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KLM and Qantas has retired their B747-400 all-pax fleet as a consequence of COVID-19.

KLM brought forward their B744 retirement by a year, having PH-BFT doing last flight from MEX to AMS on  28th March 2020. https://www.ifn.news/posts/klm-to-retire-last-boeing-747-in-april/ It is mentioned that their three B744 Combi will remain in operation but yet to be confirmed. 

Meanwhile Qantas, at this moment, has not confirmed if their B744 has retired for good. Qantas had flown its last 747 service Sunday, flight QF28 from Santiago de Chile on same day 28th March 2020.

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1 hour ago, JuliusWong said:

KLM and Qantas has retired their B747-400 all-pax fleet as a consequence of COVID-19.

KLM brought forward their B744 retirement by a year, having PH-BFT doing last flight from MEX to AMS on  28th March 2020. https://www.ifn.news/posts/klm-to-retire-last-boeing-747-in-april/ It is mentioned that their three B744 Combi will remain in operation but yet to be confirmed. 

Meanwhile Qantas, at this moment, has not confirmed if their B744 has retired for good. Qantas had flown its last 747 service Sunday, flight QF28 from Santiago de Chile on same day 28th March 2020.

Most, if not all, airlines are expecting to downsize when the Covid-19 crisis ends. So they are just identifying the aircraft that require heavy maintenance soon. With oil prices so low now, I think their capacity reduction decisions are based more on the which are the cheapest aircraft to maintain.

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4 hours ago, jahur said:

For us in east Malaysia they're essential. In a week so many stretcher pax flying to the west Malaysia and AK was not keen on getting certified for that since 2008.

Would foreign airline operate BKI-SDK 3x daily? or BKI-KCH with 4x daily? I seriously doubt that can happen unless gov fork out money to buy planes for them.

It will be fine to close down MAB provided no suspension in any routes immediately. Best solution is to sell it of to competent companies and let them immediately resume all routes. But will there be one interested to buy now with Covid now in place?

usually people didn't see the importance of air flight service in East Malaysia due to the lack of knowledge about how remote some area is. I don't mean to be mean but some people in peninsular just didn't know how difficult to move around fast in East malaysia especially when there's emergency happens. Oh by the way, i live in peninsular as well. But i do know a bit (though not much) about east malaysia.

i remember how D7 is born by obtaining the AOC with operating the RAS and end up giving up after a year operating it (despite with the subsidy from govt), leaving a bunch of fokkers in bad condition back to MASWing. So, something that is not really private sector able to cope with like example the RAS in borneo. Because it is basically a public service, and burning money to do so. it will never profitable in any measure (in totality).

Anyway, cheers everyone. Stay safe in this period.

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On 3/30/2020 at 4:09 PM, jahur said:

Sound simple. Doesnt work. Wheres fly mojo, wheres sabah sarawak own airline. The main problem is money. To start up a new airline where you're going to find 25bil ringgit(just to maintain 2 dozen narrowbody) that is estimate to maintain the frequency of flights at a reduced rate. So everyones tickets gets cancelled aye. Its the same everywhere. Its a focal point that airlines is still a very subsidised industry and there's no level playing field globally. Unless one can treat flying as non necessity, expect world govs to continue helping out the airlines and the hotel industry.

Isn't Mavcom supposed to be overseeing the industry? Shouldn't they be looking at these issues?

I think the main reason why many governments are now scrambling to prop up the ailing aviation industry is because it is a strategic industry that enables trade, commerce and tourism. Perhaps, governments should not look at aviation in isolation but as part of the commerce, industry and tourism industries. This integrated and holistic approach may better justification for subsidies.

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38 minutes ago, Kenny Sing said:

usually people didn't see the importance of air flight service in East Malaysia due to the lack of knowledge about how remote some area is. I don't mean to be mean but some people in peninsular just didn't know how difficult to move around fast in East malaysia especially when there's emergency happens. Oh by the way, i live in peninsular as well. But i do know a bit (though not much) about east malaysia.

i remember how D7 is born by obtaining the AOC with operating the RAS and end up giving up after a year operating it (despite with the subsidy from govt), leaving a bunch of fokkers in bad condition back to MASWing. So, something that is not really private sector able to cope with like example the RAS in borneo. Because it is basically a public service, and burning money to do so. it will never profitable in any measure (in totality).

Anyway, cheers everyone. Stay safe in this period.

I think most people do know how badly East Malaysia was neglected in the past 60+ years. While roads and railways were being built in the Peninsula, Sabah and Sarawak were just thrown crumbs. Imagine, if all that money spend on RAS was matched by a similar amount to be spent on land infrastructure each year,  wouldn't East Malaysia have a much better land transport infrastructure after 60 years?

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