Adam Lawrence 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVAPEWCy4Ow Edited September 5, 2019 by Adam Lawrence Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Bandit 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2019 Kuala Lumpur is 5th most visited city in the world after Bangkok, Paris, London and Singapore. Market is there but need proper strategy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2019 Trade between Germany and Malaysia is smaller than neighbouring countries. Without daily flight, business traveller would choose to use me3, BKK and sin. Im not sure that is right. The figures I read online are that total trade between Malaysia and Germany are around EUR14 billion similar to EUR14 billion for Singapore. https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economy/Foreign-Trade/Tables/order-rank-germany-trading-partners.html?__blob=publicationFile Echoing Izanee's comments: Top 5 export markets from DE to ASEAN (in billions): 1) Singapore - €7.97 2) Malaysia - €5.18 3) Thailand - €5.07 4) Vietnam - €4.11 5) Indonesia - €2.86 Top 5 import markets from ASEAN to DE (in billions): 1) Vietnam - €9.77 2) Malaysia - €8.95 3) Singapore - €6.58 4) Thailand - €6.13 5) Indonesia €3.80 Top 5 trade (imports and exports), German ranking in parenthesis: 1) Singapore - €14.56 (32) 2) Malaysia - €14.13 (33) 3) Vietnam - €13.88 (34) 4) Thailand - €11.20 (37) 5) Indonesia - €6.66 (44) Just like I know Malaysia. We are neither the top/best nor the bottom/worst but we are always in a happy medium But odd that TH which has less trade than MY with DE in almost all aspects but managed to attract LHG's airlines: LX, LH (from FRA with 380 and MUC with 350 nonetheless), and OS to BKK, don't you think, Mr. Lee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted September 5, 2019 Echoing Izanee's comments: Top 5 export markets from DE to ASEAN (in billions): 1) Singapore - €7.97 2) Malaysia - €5.18 3) Thailand - €5.07 4) Vietnam - €4.11 5) Indonesia - €2.86 Top 5 import markets from ASEAN to DE (in billions): 1) Vietnam - €9.77 2) Malaysia - €8.95 3) Singapore - €6.58 4) Thailand - €6.13 5) Indonesia €3.80 Top 5 trade (imports and exports), German ranking in parenthesis: 1) Singapore - €14.56 (32) 2) Malaysia - €14.13 (33) 3) Vietnam - €13.88 (34) 4) Thailand - €11.20 (37) 5) Indonesia - €6.66 (44) Just like I know Malaysia. We are neither the top/best nor the bottom/worst but we are always in a happy medium But odd that TH which has less trade than MY with DE in almost all aspects but managed to attract LHG's airlines: LX, LH (from FRA with 380 and MUC with 350 nonetheless), and OS to BKK, don't you think, Mr. Lee Than why KUL couldn't sustain a non-stop daily flight to DE? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Tan 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2019 Than why KUL couldn't sustain a non-stop daily flight to DE? You tell us. You are the one going around telling people there is a direct correlation between trade and demand for air travel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted September 5, 2019 Kuala Lumpur is 5th most visited city in the world after Bangkok, Paris, London and Singapore. Market is there but need proper strategyWhere do the visitors come from? That kind of data is more useful for airlines, not just the absolute numbers of people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Bandit 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2019 Where do the visitors come from? That kind of data is more useful for airlines, not just the absolute numbers of people. My apology. I forgot to link the source. Here it is; https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/09/518721/kl-5th-worlds-most-visited-city-bangkok-takes-top-spot-mastercard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2019 Why do you say Condor is stopping flights to KUL? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted September 6, 2019 Where do the visitors come from? That kind of data is more useful for airlines, not just the absolute numbers of people. STB has a pretty useful statistics spreadsheet (of course they do) on how visitors get to SG. Singapore Jan-Jul 2019 Visitor Arrivals Malaysia has a nice page for visitor arrivals too but has way too many parameters for their interactive charts to be useful. However, they provide a nice summary for the top 45 visitor arrivals. Malaysia Jan-Jun 2019 Visitor Arrivals MY and SG counts their visitor arrivals differently. SG doesn't count Malaysians who visited SG by land. MY only counts them as a visitor if they spend at least one night in Malaysia (IIRC). Since we are discussing about DE-SG/MY, here are the arrivals from DE to MY/SG for Jan-Jun period: MY: 69,092 SG: 203,016 Why do you say Condor is stopping flights to KUL? Because they have removed their flights from GDS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) Coming from a friend working at LH Office in KL, the load was just not there all year round to sustain KUL-FRA when LH used to fly into KUL. Premium demand was not there, leisure demand was neither too good nor too bad. They tried to make it work with CGK tag on but they found out later it was an expensive operation with two different sets of crew stationed overseas. They found out they could deploy their aircraft much more profitably elsewhere in their system. After LH stopped KUL, LH Group planned to use Eurowings Long Haul to operate FRA-KUL, but it was shoved into back-burner as they tried to stabilise their Europe operation. Glad that they did not proceed with the plan judging from the chaos within EW since its inception. Edited September 6, 2019 by JuliusWong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted September 6, 2019 You tell us. You are the one going around telling people there is a direct correlation between trade and demand for air travel. Yes, business travellers are very important to airlines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Isn't KUL always supposed to be seasonal for Condor? The Winter 19/20 season ends in March. Edited September 8, 2019 by Mohd Suhaimi Fariz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted September 9, 2019 Our Nic tried out DE for his trip home last year Described it as an AK experience on long haul flight If based on cost vs product consideration alone, doubt if he will opt for a repeat somehow Certainly put me off sufficiently to have even considered that option for us earlier this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted September 9, 2019 Our Nic tried out DE for his trip home last year Described it as an AK experience on long haul flight If based on cost vs product consideration alone, doubt if he will opt for a repeat somehow Certainly put me off sufficiently to have even considered that option for us earlier this year I survived a D7 A343 return flight to ORY but I managed to grab their launch fare. The product was the same as what we get on their Asian routes but the flight was twice as long. If I had to pay their normal fares, I doubt that I will be keen since the ME3 fares are only about 20% more. And sometimes, we even get fares that are very close to what D7 is charging. There is a reason why they are not able to sustain their ORY and LGW services... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike P 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2019 I survived a D7 A343 return flight to ORY but I managed to grab their launch fare. The product was the same as what we get on their Asian routes but the flight was twice as long. If I had to pay their normal fares, I doubt that I will be keen since the ME3 fares are only about 20% more. And sometimes, we even get fares that are very close to what D7 is charging. There is a reason why they are not able to sustain their ORY and LGW services... 20% more? you sure? QR offering to MUC from KUL at RM 2k return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted September 9, 2019 Been on Condor 757-300 flights when Easyjet purchased Air Berlin's domestic route. Flew the Berlin Tegel airport to Munich route! It's quite a good airline, seats are a bit LCC like though But I was more into the 757-300 than anything else! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted September 9, 2019 20% more? you sure? QR offering to MUC from KUL at RM 2k return.That was a long time ago. Yes, these days, KUL-ZRH return can be going for around RM 2K too... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted September 9, 2019 Ive flown thomas cook A330-200 from MAN to MCO... flew premium economy one way and economy the other. The recline was not great but it wasnt as bad as I thought it would be! The crew were great and the food was alright. It was cheaper than VS and BA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike P 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 That was a long time ago. Yes, these days, KUL-ZRH return can be going for around RM 2K too... not quite, I just booked one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) not quite, I just booked one.What I meant was D7's days of flying to Europe was a long time ago. These days, the competitive situation is even greater. That is why they keep hesitating about returning to Europe - they may never be able to do so without losing money! Condor might also be feeling this lack of yields. Edited September 10, 2019 by flee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike P 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 What I meant was D7's days of flying to Europe was a long time ago. These days, the competitive situation is even greater. That is why they keep hesitating about returning to Europe - they may never be able to do so without losing money! Condor might also be feeling this lack of yields. Condor is a hybrid, they are not like D7 that provides totally no frills services. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2019 Isn't KUL always supposed to be seasonal for Condor? The Winter 19/20 season ends in March. DE started Winter 2018. Was supposed to be seasonal but extended beyond April (Easter school holidays) to year-round service but reduced frequency. DE flights end January 2020 (iso March/April 2020) so I guess they won't be returning to Malaysia W20/21. Can't imagine the crew cost for a 2-3 weekly long-haul flight tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike P 0 Report post Posted September 13, 2019 Search Condor Plane carrying 326 passengers diverted after pilot spills coffee https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/plane-diverted-coffee-spill-intl-scli/index.html That's first... I trust this kind of safety procedures of having liquid drinks in cockpit should be have been taken note. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted September 22, 2019 Is Condor saying goodbye on 26 March 2020? The state Thomas Cook is in nowadays, the goodbye may not last till 26 Mar 2020 - maybe next week even ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 Thomas Cook Group has collapsed. Condor is operating as normal, LH Group is rumoured to be buying it back. Hope they do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites