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Malaysia Airlines B737-8H6 9M-MXX skidded off runway at SBW

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Those four bars (and three) are indeed very heavy responsibility. Though as humans are, everyone, and pilots too, have their own personality and style. And indeed, circumstances changes very quickly and it is very fluid weather wise. At BKI sometimes the weather clears a bit and the first plane landed but then the weather takes a turn and the next approaching aircraft have to perform abort landing and do a go around.

One of osprey pilots stationed in Japan told our ground handling in bki "weather in malaysia is f#cked up compared to 4season airports." Heard the USAF gave the same type of feedback during their joint exercise with RMAF.

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One of osprey pilots stationed in Japan told our ground handling in bki "weather in malaysia is f#cked up compared to 4season airports." Heard the USAF gave the same type of feedback during their joint exercise with RMAF.

Thats harsh...shouldn't he blame the general climate in this region instead?

 

The so-called '4 seasons' airports probably have more weather related aviation incidents than any airports elsewehere...but that is for another debate...

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Thats harsh...shouldn't he blame the general climate in this region instead?

 

The so-called '4 seasons' airports probably have more weather related aviation incidents than any airports elsewehere...but that is for another debate...

i think it is more towards the foreign crew are not used to our climate where bright sunny day turns into depressed thunderstorm in the evening. In cold temperate country the air is dry cold and cloudy all day. And if weather is bad they would just cancel training sessions.

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I was on a flight from Grafton (northern NSW) to Sydney last week flying with Regional Express (REX). It was a SAAB 340 and the flight has a scheduled stopover in Lismore, another town in northern NSW. It was three days after cyclone Debbie hit northern part of Queensland and the storm was slowly moving towards south to northern part of NSW.

 

The flight was diverted to Ballina after Lismore airport was closed due to heavy flooding in Lismore. There was low cloud above Ballina and strong wind during the landing. I was thinking the captain would abort the landing but it kept descending. It was the scariest landing I ever have ! And the fact that one of the airline's same aircraft type lost one of its propeller less than two weeks did not help either !

 

Under this kind of condition I would rather the captain abort the landing and fly to somewhere else.

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Was still in the air last night with MH2598 while this incident happened, and again...met another captain that applied hard brakes and used half of the runway only! I really cannot accept, making a U turn got that hard??! Loads was low as well...

Edited by CH Teo

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Thank god all passenger is safe.. kind reminded me Airasia B733 skidded in BKI many years ago.. LAT livery I think.

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I was on a flight from Grafton (northern NSW) to Sydney last week flying with Regional Express (REX). It was a SAAB 340 and the flight has a scheduled stopover in Lismore, another town in northern NSW. It was three days after cyclone Debbie hit northern part of Queensland and the storm was slowly moving towards south to northern part of NSW.

 

The flight was diverted to Ballina after Lismore airport was closed due to heavy flooding in Lismore. There was low cloud above Ballina and strong wind during the landing. I was thinking the captain would abort the landing but it kept descending. It was the scariest landing I ever have ! And the fact that one of the airline's same aircraft type lost one of its propeller less than two weeks did not help either !

 

Under this kind of condition I would rather the captain abort the landing and fly to somewhere else.

 

Reminds me of a line in Captain Lim's book Life in The Skies : Better be late than 'dead on time'. Though in your case you are already diverting.

 

One of osprey pilots stationed in Japan told our ground handling in bki "weather in malaysia is f#cked up compared to 4season airports." Heard the USAF gave the same type of feedback during their joint exercise with RMAF.

 

Ask any housewive and they will agree. Apa cuaca ni? Hujan jap terang jap, hujan balik. Bah... malas mo jemur baju sudah. bikin panas ja.

 

I think that's what they mean Alif, they didn't mean to put it harshly.

Edited by Eddy Liew

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I have a quick question that's back to topic related (though good sarcasm and petty argument, really?)

 

 

In incidents like this, the landing gear is definitely toast and there should be some body impact as well. Since repair almost always take place on site, who does the repair, where do they get the equipments (to hoist aircraft etc, not spares) and how do they check for structural integrity prior to flying again? I would assume a major airport would have those facilities but at a smaller airport like Sibu things probably aren't readily available

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I would assume a major airport would have those facilities but at a smaller airport like Sibu things probably aren't readily available

Yes, I'm also guessing they now realize it may be a bigger task at hand than initially envisaged ...... :)

 

 

SIBU: Over 3,000 passengers were left stranded after 48 flights were cancelled as the Sibu Airport was closed until 10pm Sunday.

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The initial plan was to close the airport until 10am Sunday.

Read more at http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017/04/09/passengers-stranded-after-sibu-airport-closes/#5JKzeHeP7zOpptDy.99

 

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I suppose experts and specialists would arrive as soon as the airport is back into operation. I strongly hope the aircraft is worth repairing. It is a second youngest baby.

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Since when is bashing "stating the facts"?

 

To some people anecdotes are as good as "facts".

 

 

being sarcastic doesnt mean you have to be stupid..ok now YOU should turn on YOUR so called "sarcasm radar"...

 

Didn't I say it's never inoperable? :p

 

There times those deep clouds that should be magenta in color on weather radar do not show up on radar. Sudden microburst on approach to minimums or on the runway that are unrecoverable. There are some pilots that would hold until weather dies down. Then there are some that would go n attempt a landing successfully and telling atc that landing for other flights is no issue. I believe no landing should be attempted in any circumstances even if visibility permits then again airlines would get pissed doing logistics for diversion and delays for weather avoidance. Then there's super budgeted management pilots that go nimble every cost saving measure that bores nuisance to operation. Cruise higher on such short sector cutting other slower traffic queue on approach, descending below profile to cut queue, list goes on and very common in overseas Lcc airlines it is creeping in to our local aviation.

 

Attenuation is still a problem. Then there's the range limitation. What would've been an otherwise okay-ish deviation could very well lead you into previously unseen red areas till you're too late and trapped in a very small corridor. But this incident is on the ground. Must have been standing water.

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Appears on Sinchew Daily cover page. Seems they didn't learn from the past mistake.

 

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Edited by Li Ren

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Chinese press mentioned aircraft involve was a 777-800 damn MAB went ahead with the 778x hahaha. Anyways any chances of maskargo deploying an a332f with equiptment to sbw? Would be an awesome sight for spotters.

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The fact that the aircraft went off the runway around the middle means they landed properly, but unable to control the aircraft after landing. If they overrun the runway then an incidence has happened before landing such as deviating from GS or improper speed.

 

Any further comments will be reserved until further information are known.

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Passengers arrive at Sibu airport, unaware of flight cancellations

 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/passengers-arrive-sibu-airport-unaware-125928807.html

 

and this is expected..maybe they lacked crisis management team.....

Or maybe the passengers didn't update their contact details or used a third party to book, hence they didn't receive the notification.

 

Happened to me after they decided to close down Langkawi & AirAsia cancelled on my travel party. Since we were traveling on a company trip & booking was done via travel agent we didn't get the memo.

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Assuming that damage to the aircraft is repairable, it might take some months to get it back in the air - remember a similar incident when the AK A320 had to sit in a tent in KCH while it was repaired?

 

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They did the same for 9M-AQA which went aqua-plane in Brunei. Royal Brunei Airlines allowed AK to use their hangar for touch up before flying home to KUL under pressure for long period of repair.

 

9M-MXX is only 2 years old, most probably will be repaired. Unless microscopic scan ( what's the technical term??) shows major damage.

Chinese press mentioned aircraft involve was a 777-800 damn MAB went ahead with the 778x hahaha. Anyways any chances of maskargo deploying an a332f with equiptment to sbw? Would be an awesome sight for spotters.

Earlier this evening, A332F 9M-MUD, if I am not mistaken, delivered recovery kit to KCH, land transport to final destination SBW.

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I think MH is taking cost cutting to unacceptable levels. They were only willing to deploy 2 slides for the evacuation! What kind of airline is this?

Only two forward slides were deployed because the two rear slides were considered unsafe and unusable when nose landing gear had collapsed as it affected the body of the aircraft. If deployed the slides would be hanging.

WBGS 081600Z 12001KT 9999 -RA FEW005 SCT018 OVC150 24/23 Q1010

WBGS 081500Z 10002KT 7000 RA FEW005 SCT018 OVC150 24/23 Q1011

WBGS 081400Z 32002KT 6000 RA FEW005 SCT018 OVC150 25/24 Q1011

WBGS 081300Z 22002KT 9999 -RA SCT018 BKN150 27/25 Q1009

WBGS 081200Z 34003KT 9999 SCT018 BKN150 27/24 Q1008

WBGS 081100Z 24002KT 9999 FEW015CB BKN150 27/25 Q1007

 

The rain was not heavy and visibility also above MH requirement and the wind was also almost calm, so there was no reason to delay the approach and landing

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The fact that the aircraft went off the runway around the middle means they landed properly, but unable to control the aircraft after landing. If they overrun the runway then an incidence has happened before landing such as deviating from GS or improper speed.

 

Any further comments will be reserved until further information are known.

I agree, too many cynical and or sarcastic comments didn't help to paint the right picture and to know the truth. I am fully aware that most of the members here are not a pilot, thus their comments are more emotionally driven rather than factual basis.

 

So far we are grateful that everyone is safe ......

 

Re : Zamim & Chris Tan with regard to slides deployment.

 

In any airlines (at least in Malaysia or regulated by DCA Malaysia), the is no such thing as cost cutting measures when come to safety. Pax evacuation or disembarkation either by slides deployment or air stairs or aerobridges are CAPTAIN's or COMMANDER's decision, subjected to the nature of emergency and the urgency of deplaning the pax.

 

In the case of fire in the cabin, certainly everyone must be evacuated ASAP (means all available exit doors/slides will be used) because that is the only sensible choice of decision. However, if there is no fire or toxid hazard in the cabin, it might be more hazardous or riskier for pax to rush to the doors and jump on the slides. It might be wise for the captain to plan for a "precautionary disembarkation".

 

I wouldn't want to go into details of 'Safety & Emergency Procedures (SEP)' subject but suffice to say that most of the slides on modern aircraft are available for pax evacuation both on land & water at any attitude of the aeroplane.

 

Last but not least, NONE OF US were in the cockpit at the time of the said accident. Thus we did not know exactly what happened, the communications between the cabin & cockpit, the flow of information, risk assesment, thought process, managing the crisis etc.... until the decision was made to evacuate the pax/crew.

 

All I could say, the quality of our commanders of all airlines regulated by DCA Malaysia are well trained & above the average. Therefore, to pass your own judgement before the completion of the inquiry is injustice !!!

Edited by Lock SH

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