S V Choong 4 Report post Posted July 27, 2014 Avoiding those prohibited and restricted areas, how do we fly from South-east Asia to Europe? Perhaps try and find out what BA and AF do for their South East Asian flights? Alternatively check what CX does even though may fly a bit further? Ie, going around Ukraine on the Russian side? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted July 27, 2014 OPINION: MH17 - The chances of success for the investigators By: DAVID LEARMOUNT LONDON The loss of flight MH17 is not about Malaysia Airlines. Everyone in the aviation industry knows what a cruel irony it is that this carrier has lost a second Boeing 777 with everybody on board – again apparently through no fault of its own – and empathises with its employees at a dark time. Of course, if this disaster is confirmed as the unintentional shoot-down it appears to be – unintentional in the sense that MH17 was not the intended target – we condemn the trigger-happy carelessness that led to it, and the Russian government for supporting the unrest in eastern Ukraine that created the circumstances in which such an act could take place. There is no reason to doubt evidence that the fatal missile was launched from separatist-held eastern Ukraine. It is almost beyond belief that Russian President Vladimir Putin would risk putting in rebel hands weaponry of this power without having control over its use. Perhaps it will turn out not to be so, but at present Russia’s “explanations” for the shootdown have zero credibility. There are reasons to be optimistic about a high quality independent international investigation carried out strictly according to the International Civil Aviation Organisation’s Annex 13, which governs standards for accident investigation. This is despite the disadvantages the investigators face: the accident site was unsecured for a week or more, and the flight data and cockpit voice recorders were in the hands of unauthorised rebel personnel for several days before being handed over. At the time of going to press, the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch had been tasked with downloading the recorders and passing the results to the Dutch Safety Board, the designated lead agency. The AAIB reports the cockpit voice recorder had been downloaded and did not appear to have been tampered with. But the fact that evidence and equipment was not held in sterile conditions while awaiting professional investigation gives any nation that does not like the report’s conclusions the opportunity to dismiss them. We hope no-one will stoop that low. Meanwhile, there is a case for reviewing the way airspace status over conflict zones is rated. At present there is no standardised system. ICAO is the only agency with the credibility to run such an advisory system, which can only ever be advisory anyway. But a system where intelligence-based warnings are fed to ICAO, and where it issues a categorised risk level that the airlines understand, would be a good start. Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/opinion-mh17-the-chances-of-success-for-the-investigators-402033/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geoff.leo 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2014 Countries like Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India and Central Asia (the Tan countries) are all heavily used by everyone. There are special ADIZ procedures for these countries and they have to be adhered to. But otherwise, all airlines use them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waiping 12 Report post Posted July 27, 2014 Hah! Of all places, the Iranian offer us safe passage! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H Azmal 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2014 An extensive collection of photographs of the wreckage... https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azman MN 1 Report post Posted July 29, 2014 Hah! Of all places, the Iranian offer us safe passage! Yeah, but that is the problem. Who decides? You think Iran is nice to Malaysia.... But then they see that it is a Boeing! And what about unintentional shooting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike P 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2014 QF and EY continue to fly over Iraq airspace. http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Regional/2014/07/29/Australias-Qantas-to-continue-flying-over-Iraq/ Hmm... but then QF only have flights to London in Europe, like twice a day from SYD and MEL via DBX right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted July 29, 2014 The news are reporting massive cancellation of booking with MH. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mas-hit-with-wave-of-cancellations-says-report So I go and collect my own data. MH Cancellation on 29 July 2014 until 6 pm local time: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-MES MH840 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-DAC MH102 B772 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 MH Cancellation on 28 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-PEN MH1134 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-CAN MH380 B738 MH Cancellation on 27 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-KBV MH808 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-PEN MH1148 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-CAN MH380 B738 KUL-KCH MH2532 B738 KUL-DAC MH196 B772 MH Cancellation on 26 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-BKI MH7404 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-LGK MH1446 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-KBR MH7324 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 MH Cancellation on 25 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-KBV MH808 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-BKI MH7404 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-LGK MH1436 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-KBR MH7324 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 MH Cancellation on 24 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-KBV MH808 B738 KUL-MES MH849 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-SIN MH627 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-LGK MH1436 B738 KUL-PEN MH1148 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-KCH MH2530 B738 KUL-JHB MH1059 B738 KUL-CAN MH380 B738 KUL-LGK MH1458 B738 KUL-KIX MH52 A333 MH Cancellation on 23 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-MES MH840 B738 KUL-HKG MH448 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-SIN MH627 B738 KUL-KBV MH770 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-LGK MH1436 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-JHB MH1059 B738 KUL-CAN MH380 B738 KUL-LGK MH1458 B738 KUL-PEN MH1194 B738 MH Cancellation on 22 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-MES MH840 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-CGK MH711 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-SIN MH603 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-LGK MH1436 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-DAC MH112 B738 KUL-BKK MH776 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-JHB MH1059 B738 KUL-CGK MH849 B738 KUL-CAN MH380 B738 KUL-LGK MH1458 B738 MH Cancellation on 21 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-TPE MH408 B738 KUL-MES MH840 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-SIN MH627 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-LGK MH1436 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-DAC MH112 B738 KUL-BKK MH776 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-JHB MH1059 B738 KUL-CAN MH380 B738 KUL-LGK MH1458 B738 MH Cancellation on 20 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-TPE MH408 B738 KUL-KBV MH808 B738 KUL-MES MH840 B738 KUL-LGK MH1430 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-KBV MH770 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-PEN MH1148 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-CAN MH380 B738 KUL-LGK MH1458 B738 MH Cancellation on 19 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-KBV MH808 B738 KUL-MES MH840 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-RGN MH740 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-LGK MH1436 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-BKK MH780 B738 KUL-LGK MH1450 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-CAN MH380 B738 KUL-BKK MH796 B738 KUL-LGK MH1458 B738 MH Cancellation on 18 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-KBV MH808 B738 KUL-MES MH840 B738 KUL-PEN MH1134 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-TPE MH366 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-JHB MH1039 B738 KUL-LGK MH1446 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-PEN MH1158 B738 KUL-BKK MH776 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-JHB MH1059 B738 KUL-JHB MH1063 B738 KUL-LGK MH1458 B738 MH Cancellation on 17 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-KBV MH808 B738 KUL-MES MH840 B738 KUL-KCH MH2542 B738 KUL-AOR MH1202 B738 KUL-TWU MH2660 B738 KUL-KBR MH1384 B738 KUL-TGG MH1326 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-TPE MH366 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-MYY MH2574 B738 KUL-PEN MH1140 B738 KUL-LBU MH2634 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-LGK MH1436 B738 KUL-PEN MH1148 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-PEN MH1152 B738 KUL-LGK MH1450 B738 KUL-BKI MH2662 B738 KUL-KBR MH1402 B738 KUL-BKK MH776 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-JHB MH1059 B738 KUL-CAN MH380 B738 KUL-KCH MH2532 B738 KUL-LGK MH1458 B738 MH Cancellation on 16 July 2014: KUL-PEK MH318 A333 KUL-DPS MH869 B738 KUL-DPS MH867 B738 KUL-MES MH840 B738 KUL-KCH MH2542 B738 KUL-AOR MH1201 B738 KUL-KBR MH1384 B738 KUL-KCH MH2504 B738 KUL-TGG MH1326 B738 KUL-BKI MH2612 B738 KUL-MES MH860 B738 KUL-LGK MH1432 B738 KUL-SIN MH627 B738 KUL-PEN MH1140 B738 KUL-BKI MH2618 B738 KUL-LBU MH2634 B738 KUL-KCH MH2520 B738 KUL-LGK MH1436 B738 KUL-JHB MH1051 B738 KUL-PEN MH1152 B738 KUL-LGK MH1450 B738 KUL-KBR MH1402 B738 KUL-BKK MH776 B738 KUL-PEN MH1162 B738 KUL-JHB MH1059 B738 KUL-AOR MH1252 B738 KUL-CGK MH849 B738 KUL-KCH MH2532 B738 KUL-LGK MH1458 B738 I intend to do this backwards until a week prior to 17 July, when the MH17 tragedy happened, just to see the pattern. There are a lot of cancellation but it is slowly improving. There seems to be a default cancellation on certain flight numbers. A quick reference to MH timetable shows that some of these flights are not scheduled/have been withdrawn from current schedule. Data were collected from KLIA website. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted July 29, 2014 Looks like MH no longer operates PEK flights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted July 29, 2014 MH has/had(?) 2 daily flights to PEK. MH318 is the midnight flight to PEK, the flight which replace the doomed MH370. The 6 pm flight, MH360 were all departed on schedule, no cancellation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted July 29, 2014 MH has/had(?) 2 daily flights to PEK. MH318 is the midnight flight to PEK, the flight which replace the doomed MH370. The 6 pm flight, MH360 were all departed on schedule, no cancellation. OK, I get it. MH318 is cancelled because MH has reduced its frequency to 1 daily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2014 Wow, lots of cancellations. But it seems to be tapering off now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Kong 0 Report post Posted August 2, 2014 9M-MRD was the first flight to new ADL international terminal... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheng Kit 0 Report post Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) The MAS aviation curse believed to have started when they decided to stop flying to Los Angeles, its last US destination which caused the 2 777s, 9M-MRD which was shot shot down over Ukraine on July 17 and 9M-MRO which went missing enroute to Beijing on March 8 Edited August 4, 2014 by Cheng Kit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeqa 1 Report post Posted August 12, 2014 I've seen pics on Instagram- The Royal Malaysian Army is conducting full rehearsal ceremony to honor the MH17 victims . The plane they use is the MAS 747. I assume they will use the 747 to collect the bodies from AMS? They don't use military transport cargo plane? just wondering.. So far 16 Malaysian has been identified from what I've seen on Astro awani online. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2014 744 has got greater range than C130 ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) I've seen pics on Instagram- The Royal Malaysian Army is conducting full rehearsal ceremony to honor the MH17 victims . The plane they use is the MAS 747. I assume they will use the 747 to collect the bodies from AMS? They don't use military transport cargo plane? just wondering.. So far 16 Malaysian has been identified from what I've seen on Astro awani online. MH17 victims were civilian, easier to use 744 or A33F from AMS. According to a rumour, the remains will return next week. Edited August 13, 2014 by KK Lee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
affendi osman 0 Report post Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) MH17 victims were civilian, easier to use 744 or A33F from AMS. According to a rumour, the remains will return next week. next week eh? i like rumors... Edited August 13, 2014 by affendi osman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeqa 1 Report post Posted August 14, 2014 Astro awani online- One of the first officer is identified. Mohd Firdaus Abdul Rahim . - So the chances of the other 3 pilots (two captain & other first officer) can be identified? I recall seeing channel 4 news on MH17- They show the cockpit section. Maps, Pilot shoes but no bodies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arthur Van Straten 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Crash investigation update here. http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/onderzoek/2049/investigation-crash-mh17-17-july-2014/onderzoek/1555/investigation-into-cause-of-mh17-plane-crash-continues-in-the-hague-the-netherlands#fasen Cheers A. Edited August 14, 2014 by Arthur Van Straten Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T. AHMAD 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2014 next week eh? i like rumors... i believe on 22nd, MPS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nabiel Haniff 1 Report post Posted August 21, 2014 As per news , full rehearsal now using 9M-MPP(Putrajaya) . The remains from AMS will using which 744 MH? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yang Zulhilmi 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) As per news , full rehearsal now using 9M-MPP(Putrajaya) . The remains from AMS will using which 744 MH? from airliners.net KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33 Reply 116, posted Mon Aug 18 2014 23:16:21 your local time (1 day 7 hours 1 minute ago) and read 1805 times: MASkargo 9M-MPS will ferry back the 22 Malaysian bodies to Malaysia on Thursday. The "MASkargo" titles have been replaced by "Malaysia Airlines". Edited August 21, 2014 by Yang Zulhilmi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeqa 1 Report post Posted August 21, 2014 ^^I saw the pics on instagram #Mh17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eddy Liew 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) MAS 6129 9M-MPS departed AMS and is bound for KUL... In Germany airspace now just passed Leipzig Edited August 21, 2014 by Eddy Liew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
