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MAS B772 9M-MRD (Ex Heliconia) Flight MH17 AMS-KUL Shot Down by Russian Missile in Ukraine All 298 POB Killed

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Avoiding those prohibited and restricted areas, how do we fly from South-east Asia to Europe?

Perhaps try and find out what BA and AF do for their South East Asian flights? Alternatively check what CX does even though may fly a bit further? Ie, going around Ukraine on the Russian side?

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OPINION: MH17 - The chances of success for the investigators

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By: DAVID LEARMOUNT LONDON

 

The loss of flight MH17 is not about Malaysia ­Airlines. Everyone in the aviation industry knows what a cruel irony it is that this carrier has lost a second Boeing 777 with everybody on board – again apparently through no fault of its own – and empathises with its employees at a dark time.
Of course, if this disaster is confirmed as the unintentional shoot-down it appears to be – unintentional in the sense that MH17 was not the intended target – we condemn the trigger-happy carelessness that led to it, and the Russian government for supporting the unrest in eastern Ukraine that created the circumstances in which such an act could take place. There is no reason to doubt evidence that the fatal missile was launched from separatist-held eastern Ukraine. It is ­almost beyond belief that Russian President Vladimir Putin would risk putting in rebel hands weaponry of this power without having control over its use. Perhaps it will turn out not to be so, but at present Russia’s “explanations” for the shootdown have zero credibility.
There are reasons to be optimistic about a high quality independent international investigation carried out strictly according to the International Civil Aviation Organisation’s Annex 13, which governs standards for accident investigation. This is despite the disadvantages the investigators face: the accident site was ­unsecured for a week or more, and the flight data
and cockpit voice recorders were in the hands of u­nauthorised rebel personnel for several days before being handed over. At the time of going to press, the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch had been tasked with downloading the recorders and passing the results to the Dutch Safety Board, the designated lead agency. The AAIB reports the cockpit voice recorder had been downloaded and did not appear to have been tampered with. But the fact that evidence and equipment was not held in sterile conditions while awaiting professional investigation gives any nation that does not like the report’s conclusions the opportunity to dismiss them. We hope no-one will stoop that low.
Meanwhile, there is a case for reviewing the way ­airspace status over conflict zones is rated. At present there is no standardised system. ICAO is the only ­agency with the credibility to run such an advisory system, which can only ever be advisory anyway. But a system where intelligence-based warnings are fed to ICAO, and where it issues a categorised risk level that the airlines understand, would be a good start.

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Countries like Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India and Central Asia (the Tan countries) are all heavily used by everyone. There are special ADIZ procedures for these countries and they have to be adhered to. But otherwise, all airlines use them.

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Hah! Of all places, the Iranian offer us safe passage!

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Hah! Of all places, the Iranian offer us safe passage!

Yeah, but that is the problem. Who decides? You think Iran is nice to Malaysia.... But then they see that it is a Boeing! And what about unintentional shooting?

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The news are reporting massive cancellation of booking with MH. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mas-hit-with-wave-of-cancellations-says-report

 

So I go and collect my own data.

 

MH Cancellation on 29 July 2014 until 6 pm local time:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-MES MH840 B738
  3. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  4. KUL-DAC MH102 B772
  5. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  6. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  7. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  8. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 28 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-PEN MH1134 B738
  3. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  4. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  5. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  6. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  7. KUL-CAN MH380 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 27 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-KBV MH808 B738
  3. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  4. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  5. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  6. KUL-PEN MH1148 B738
  7. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  8. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  9. KUL-CAN MH380 B738
  10. KUL-KCH MH2532 B738
  11. KUL-DAC MH196 B772

 

MH Cancellation on 26 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  3. KUL-BKI MH7404 B738
  4. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  5. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  6. KUL-LGK MH1446 B738
  7. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  8. KUL-KBR MH7324 B738
  9. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 25 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-KBV MH808 B738
  3. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  4. KUL-BKI MH7404 B738
  5. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  6. KUL-LGK MH1436 B738
  7. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  8. KUL-KBR MH7324 B738
  9. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 24 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-KBV MH808 B738
  3. KUL-MES MH849 B738
  4. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  5. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  6. KUL-SIN MH627 B738
  7. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  8. KUL-LGK MH1436 B738
  9. KUL-PEN MH1148 B738
  10. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  11. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  12. KUL-KCH MH2530 B738
  13. KUL-JHB MH1059 B738
  14. KUL-CAN MH380 B738
  15. KUL-LGK MH1458 B738
  16. KUL-KIX MH52 A333

 

MH Cancellation on 23 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-MES MH840 B738
  3. KUL-HKG MH448 B738
  4. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  5. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  6. KUL-SIN MH627 B738
  7. KUL-KBV MH770 B738
  8. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  9. KUL-LGK MH1436 B738
  10. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  11. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  12. KUL-JHB MH1059 B738
  13. KUL-CAN MH380 B738
  14. KUL-LGK MH1458 B738
  15. KUL-PEN MH1194 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 22 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-MES MH840 B738
  3. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  4. KUL-CGK MH711 B738
  5. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  6. KUL-SIN MH603 B738
  7. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  8. KUL-LGK MH1436 B738
  9. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  10. KUL-DAC MH112 B738
  11. KUL-BKK MH776 B738
  12. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  13. KUL-JHB MH1059 B738
  14. KUL-CGK MH849 B738
  15. KUL-CAN MH380 B738
  16. KUL-LGK MH1458 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 21 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-TPE MH408 B738
  3. KUL-MES MH840 B738
  4. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  5. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  6. KUL-SIN MH627 B738
  7. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  8. KUL-LGK MH1436 B738
  9. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  10. KUL-DAC MH112 B738
  11. KUL-BKK MH776 B738
  12. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  13. KUL-JHB MH1059 B738
  14. KUL-CAN MH380 B738
  15. KUL-LGK MH1458 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 20 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-TPE MH408 B738
  3. KUL-KBV MH808 B738
  4. KUL-MES MH840 B738
  5. KUL-LGK MH1430 B738
  6. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  7. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  8. KUL-KBV MH770 B738
  9. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  10. KUL-PEN MH1148 B738
  11. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  12. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  13. KUL-CAN MH380 B738
  14. KUL-LGK MH1458 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 19 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-KBV MH808 B738
  3. KUL-MES MH840 B738
  4. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  5. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  6. KUL-RGN MH740 B738
  7. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  8. KUL-LGK MH1436 B738
  9. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  10. KUL-BKK MH780 B738
  11. KUL-LGK MH1450 B738
  12. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  13. KUL-CAN MH380 B738
  14. KUL-BKK MH796 B738
  15. KUL-LGK MH1458 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 18 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-KBV MH808 B738
  3. KUL-MES MH840 B738
  4. KUL-PEN MH1134 B738
  5. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  6. KUL-TPE MH366 B738
  7. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  8. KUL-JHB MH1039 B738
  9. KUL-LGK MH1446 B738
  10. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  11. KUL-PEN MH1158 B738
  12. KUL-BKK MH776 B738
  13. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  14. KUL-JHB MH1059 B738
  15. KUL-JHB MH1063 B738
  16. KUL-LGK MH1458 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 17 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-KBV MH808 B738
  3. KUL-MES MH840 B738
  4. KUL-KCH MH2542 B738
  5. KUL-AOR MH1202 B738
  6. KUL-TWU MH2660 B738
  7. KUL-KBR MH1384 B738
  8. KUL-TGG MH1326 B738
  9. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  10. KUL-TPE MH366 B738
  11. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  12. KUL-MYY MH2574 B738
  13. KUL-PEN MH1140 B738
  14. KUL-LBU MH2634 B738
  15. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  16. KUL-LGK MH1436 B738
  17. KUL-PEN MH1148 B738
  18. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  19. KUL-PEN MH1152 B738
  20. KUL-LGK MH1450 B738
  21. KUL-BKI MH2662 B738
  22. KUL-KBR MH1402 B738
  23. KUL-BKK MH776 B738
  24. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  25. KUL-JHB MH1059 B738
  26. KUL-CAN MH380 B738
  27. KUL-KCH MH2532 B738
  28. KUL-LGK MH1458 B738

 

MH Cancellation on 16 July 2014:

  1. KUL-PEK MH318 A333
  2. KUL-DPS MH869 B738
  3. KUL-DPS MH867 B738
  4. KUL-MES MH840 B738
  5. KUL-KCH MH2542 B738
  6. KUL-AOR MH1201 B738
  7. KUL-KBR MH1384 B738
  8. KUL-KCH MH2504 B738
  9. KUL-TGG MH1326 B738
  10. KUL-BKI MH2612 B738
  11. KUL-MES MH860 B738
  12. KUL-LGK MH1432 B738
  13. KUL-SIN MH627 B738
  14. KUL-PEN MH1140 B738
  15. KUL-BKI MH2618 B738
  16. KUL-LBU MH2634 B738
  17. KUL-KCH MH2520 B738
  18. KUL-LGK MH1436 B738
  19. KUL-JHB MH1051 B738
  20. KUL-PEN MH1152 B738
  21. KUL-LGK MH1450 B738
  22. KUL-KBR MH1402 B738
  23. KUL-BKK MH776 B738
  24. KUL-PEN MH1162 B738
  25. KUL-JHB MH1059 B738
  26. KUL-AOR MH1252 B738
  27. KUL-CGK MH849 B738
  28. KUL-KCH MH2532 B738
  29. KUL-LGK MH1458 B738

 

I intend to do this backwards until a week prior to 17 July, when the MH17 tragedy happened, just to see the pattern. There are a lot of cancellation but it is slowly improving. There seems to be a default cancellation on certain flight numbers. A quick reference to MH timetable shows that some of these flights are not scheduled/have been withdrawn from current schedule. Data were collected from KLIA website.

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MH has/had(?) 2 daily flights to PEK.

 

MH318 is the midnight flight to PEK, the flight which replace the doomed MH370.

 

The 6 pm flight, MH360 were all departed on schedule, no cancellation.

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MH has/had(?) 2 daily flights to PEK.

 

MH318 is the midnight flight to PEK, the flight which replace the doomed MH370.

 

The 6 pm flight, MH360 were all departed on schedule, no cancellation.

OK, I get it. MH318 is cancelled because MH has reduced its frequency to 1 daily.

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The MAS aviation curse believed to have started when they decided to stop flying to Los Angeles, its last US destination which caused the 2 777s, 9M-MRD which was shot shot down over Ukraine on July 17 and 9M-MRO which went missing enroute to Beijing on March 8

Edited by Cheng Kit

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I've seen pics on Instagram- The Royal Malaysian Army is conducting full rehearsal ceremony to honor the MH17 victims . The plane they use is the MAS 747. I assume they will use the 747 to collect the bodies from AMS? They don't use military transport cargo plane? just wondering..

 

So far 16 Malaysian has been identified from what I've seen on Astro awani online.

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I've seen pics on Instagram- The Royal Malaysian Army is conducting full rehearsal ceremony to honor the MH17 victims . The plane they use is the MAS 747. I assume they will use the 747 to collect the bodies from AMS? They don't use military transport cargo plane? just wondering..

 

So far 16 Malaysian has been identified from what I've seen on Astro awani online.

 

MH17 victims were civilian, easier to use 744 or A33F from AMS. According to a rumour, the remains will return next week.

Edited by KK Lee

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MH17 victims were civilian, easier to use 744 or A33F from AMS. According to a rumour, the remains will return next week.

 

next week eh?

i like rumors...

Edited by affendi osman

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Astro awani online- One of the first officer is identified.

 

Mohd Firdaus Abdul Rahim . - So the chances of the other 3 pilots (two captain & other first officer) can be identified? I recall seeing channel 4 news on MH17- They show the cockpit section. Maps, Pilot shoes but no bodies.

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As per news , full rehearsal now using 9M-MPP(Putrajaya) . The remains from AMS will using which 744 MH?

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As per news , full rehearsal now using 9M-MPP(Putrajaya) . The remains from AMS will using which 744 MH?

from airliners.net

 

KarelXWB nl.gif From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33

Reply 116, posted Mon Aug 18 2014 23:16:21 your local time (1 day 7 hours 1 minute ago) and read 1805 times: newtestline.jpg

 

MASkargo 9M-MPS will ferry back the 22 Malaysian bodies to Malaysia on Thursday. The "MASkargo" titles have been replaced by "Malaysia Airlines".

 

 

Edited by Yang Zulhilmi

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MAS 6129 9M-MPS departed AMS and is bound for KUL... In Germany airspace now just passed Leipzig

 

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Edited by Eddy Liew

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