MAS B772 9M-MRO Flight MH370 KUL-PEK Missing with All 239 POB Presumed Killed

[hafiziza 0]

Angus Houston certain MH370 is off the WA coast

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/angus-houston-certain-mh370-is-off-the-wa-coast/story-fn59niix-1226901411620#

 

Houston: Focus on search, not past mistakes

 

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/261664

Edited May 2, 2014 by hafiziza

[Paul Saccani 0]

The report doesn't make it clear when the playback of the military primary radar recording was done. Also, it was silent if there was any real-time observation of what the military primary radar showed when MH370 allegedly crossed the peninsula.

I don't know what time it happened, but the acting transport minister knew about it at 1030 on the morning of the disappearance. For some reason, he elected not to share this information for some time. I think Malaysia should be censured for the futile international searches made before that information was shared. It's almost as bad as making a prank emergency phone call. Except in the money sense, it costs a lot more.

[S V Choong 4]

I think Malaysia should be censured for the futile international searches made before that information was shared. It's almost as bad as making a prank emergency phone call. Except in the money sense, it costs a lot more.

They tried to get away from it too by saying that they need time to "analyse" before making it public. During the time they were analysing, they could have told Vietnam and others not to start search until they have a better idea. They did not and they have never admitted to their mistakes at all. Instead they were trying to make people believe that they have done a marvellous job, who are they trying to fool? Perhaps just Malaysians.

Edited May 3, 2014 by S V Choong

[JuliusWong 0]

The report release did more damages to Malaysia's reputation in handling the crisis competently than all the heaps of 'praises' quoted in local media. What happened in the four hours confusion might have devastating effects on the SAR later on. Imagine four whole hours, the DCA, MOT and Vietnam airspace were in confusion, no one could track a modern airliner. Unprecedented YES. Total chaos: No doubt about it!

 

I lost track on the latest MH370 news. Anyhow, in South Korea, the President apologised over and over again, the PM resigned, the coast guard office was raided pending full investigation into Sewol's sinking incident. In Malaysia, did anyone take accountability? No, I would say. It is business as usual for all.

 

Praises should go to the SAR team who had been searching and scouring the Indian Ocean, Straits of Malacca and South China Sea for pieces of MH370 diligently, not the ministries and DCA. AND no thanks to the police chief who wanted few moments of limelight (excuse you, it is immigration issue, not police issue). Now DCA is pushing the blame to Ho Chi Minh's control tower, stating the latter should be the one contacting MH370.......

 

If Malaysia has an university offering Ph. D in tai-chi, I guess most of our goon ministers and big shots should pass with flying colours.

 

Crisis management is almost non-existent in Malaysia. Few months down the road, everyone will forget about MH370, God forbid! Much like the Highlands Towers incident. Condo are now built again on sharp edges of hills and mountains. A pot of disaster waiting to happen.

 

This is how we Malaysians roll.........."Plane lost ah, never mind lah........It will be over soon"....Close one eye, everything will be clear soon!

[Cire 0]

It would be a painful journey for those affected never knowing what when horribly wrong, and at the same time grasping with the reality and wishful hope.

In days or months to come, more and more revelations will come out in the open, and fresh anger and more questions will be raised on how the whole handling of the intial SAR was activated and conducted.

There were many opinions being shared in the cyberspace after the handling of the information to the public and ICAO.

 

We now know that there are 3 phases of Alerts in running up to an activation of a SAR as stipulated in the International Protocols; First stage being the Uncertainty stage, where no communication were established after the expected 30 minutes; the Second stage is the Alert phase, where attempts have been made to communicate with the crews or through other relevance source but yields no results; and the Third phase, where further inquiries have been sought but failed to get any information, and when the aircraft is deemed to have exhausted its fuel.

 

According to an opinionated report by Airbus pilot/writer (Understanding Air France 447) Bill Palmer to CNN, based on the above phases of alerts, the ATC have performed to its expectations. 17 minutes after lost of contact, both Malaysian and Vietnam ATCs tried another 20 minutes to contact the aircraft through other means (aircrafts relays, other towers etc). Things got "stranger" when ATC relayed the information to the airline which somehow said that the aircraft is somewhere in the Cambodia airspace and on course to Beijing ! This perception continued for an hour before the airline operations informed that it based its findings on predictions of flight progress and not actual tracking !?

 

 

For the layman out there, the information made public may not add more to their understanding, but to aviation experts and enthusiast out there, the datas and chronologies of the event reviewed plentiful of commendations, errors and as well as incompetencies on the parts of the front line people who are entrusted with the task of keeping the planes on track, and in contact.

 

As the tearing of the information to seek more answers begin, it will fuel the subsiding anger flame once more, and there will be more demand to ensure those responsible owned up to their mistake,and improvements are made at the same time.

 

 

Edited May 5, 2014 by Cire

[Cire 0]

Irregularities in the audio submitted by the Malaysian authorities.

 

 

Analysts who listened to the recordings also told NBC that they noticed four clear breaks in the audio that indicated edits, NBC reported.

“It’s very strange,” audio-video forensic expert Ed Primeau of Primeau Forensics was quoted as saying by NBC.

“At approximately 1:14... it sounds like someone is holding a digital recorder up to a speaker, so it’s a microphone-to-speaker transfer of that information. That’s a pretty big deal because it raises the first red flag about there possibly being some editing.”

Primeau and forensic audio examiner Kent Gibson also other details to NBC on their suspicions.

 

Gibson said that the tapes indicated that “Malaysian authorities or whoever presented this made edits for whatever reason”.

 

 

 

http://news.malaysia.msn.com/tmi/irregularities-in-mh370-audio-recordings-indicate-possible-editing-say-experts

[Naim 6]

Irregularities in the audio submitted by the Malaysian authorities.

 

 

Analysts who listened to the recordings also told NBC that they noticed four clear breaks in the audio that indicated edits, NBC reported.

“It’s very strange,” audio-video forensic expert Ed Primeau of Primeau Forensics was quoted as saying by NBC.

“At approximately 1:14... it sounds like someone is holding a digital recorder up to a speaker, so it’s a microphone-to-speaker transfer of that information. That’s a pretty big deal because it raises the first red flag about there possibly being some editing.”

Primeau and forensic audio examiner Kent Gibson also other details to NBC on their suspicions.

 

Gibson said that the tapes indicated that “Malaysian authorities or whoever presented this made edits for whatever reason”.

 

 

 

http://news.malaysia.msn.com/tmi/irregularities-in-mh370-audio-recordings-indicate-possible-editing-say-experts

 

 

No need to listen to the matsalleh. This is what Capt Nik Huzlan said on this matter on his FB.

 

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There will be many links from the Negative side about the editing of the transcript. There will be again allusions of conspiracy to put Malaysia down. Please let me explain:

 

# Its truncated down to 7 minutes from the original 60minutes. No big deal there. Nothing sinister at all.

They took out the radio chatter of all other irrelevant radio transmission of other aircraft that was on the same frequency.

 

#All ATC Transcripts that are released which involves change of frequencies needs some amount of editing to maintain continuity.

The locality of the ATC points can differ.

CD is probably at KLIA or Subang.

Ground is located at KLIA Tower.

Tower is located at KLIA Tower.

Approach/Director is probably at Subang.

Center is also at Subang.

 

So editing is a must to put the whole recording into one stream. The methodology of editing can vary. Some can be 'Line-In'. Others could be speaker - microphone based. That's why there's ambient activity noise. Hence the difference.

 

There is a report by NBC's so-called expert. He is just trying to prove his worth ( paid by NBC you see ) and analyse it in an 'expert' style.

He makes it lengthy, throw in some choice scientific big words, expand on simple things unnecessarily and be technically bombastic.

But it is essentially the same thing this kampong kelantan malay is saying.

Obviously the Mat Salleh input is the one many Malaysians will adore.

 

As for relevant expertise, The NTSB and AAIB people have listened to it oredi. They would have forensically analysed the recordings in more relevant ways than a paid News Channel Analyst can ever hope to do.

Anyway, what business have we, the public, have eavesdropping on Raw ATC Recordings that involves other aircraft movements that are not involved in the MH370 case?

Too many Professors, Theoreticians, and amateur student pilots putting their one cent worth to the public hungry for sensational/sinister news.

Not value adding at all.

 

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AND my addition:

 

Aviation radio comm used analogue VHF which is very susceptible to the electronics used, propagation medium, atmospheric conditions, etc. All these factors would create an ambience more or less unique to every VHF channel by the 'noises' they contribute. So in the above edited ATC, when the audio moves from delivery - ground - tower - control - whatever, each channel could sound differently. As for background noises, I hear these all the time. Just yesterday I heard an ATC guy chattering with his friends, broadcasted to every plane on that channel -- poor bugger must have forgotten to switch off his mike. Heavy human breathing? Papers shuffling? No big deal lah.

 

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[Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2]

The recording covers Ground, ATC and Lumpur Centre - are they from the same source (that is to say it comes from the same recorder/tape)?

 

I was under the impression that the controllers are independent from each other and thus would be recorded independently instead of in one continuous loop.

[Naim 6]

The recording covers Ground, ATC and Lumpur Centre - are they from the same source (that is to say it comes from the same recorder/tape)?

 

I was under the impression that the controllers are independent from each other and thus would be recorded independently instead of in one continuous loop.

 

Most probably recorded at the respective sites, own medium.

[Naim 6]

Chinese travellers to Malaysia dropped by 30%

(Xinhua)

 

Updated: 2014-05-07 06:41

 

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2014-05/07/content_17489303.htm?

[Cire 0]

Not questioning the integriti of the authority here or putting doubts on Capt.Nik's explanations, but it would suffice now for Malaysia to disclose who and how was the editing of the records done since now that there is "such experts paid by NBC" casting doubts on the recordings. In addition, whether such editing were done under the supervision of the ICAO or not, to ensure authencity of the recordings and also to avoid disputes such as this.

Chinese travellers to Malaysia dropped by 30%

(Xinhua)

 

Updated: 2014-05-07 06:41

 

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2014-05/07/content_17489303.htm?

 

The drop in tourists' arrivals is significant. Our customers who are in the Tours sectors, and also coach builders are facing a drop of business by as much as 50% since the boycott was mooted.

However, they are confident that the Chinese rage will subside and only recovers in the 4th.quarter of the year. Till then, everyone is braced for the long haul of slow business.

[JuliusWong 0]

Not so soon for recovery.....Sabah Tourism had stated around 8,000 hotel bookings had been cancelled since April's abduction at Lahad Datu. This will get even worse with the latest kidnapping happened two days back......Our borders are really in dire need of surveillance.

[Waiping 12]

Here is the chicken and egg situation - you wait for people to forget and come back, or you ask those put in the position to do their job to do their job.

[BC Tam 2]

..... - you wait for people to forget and come back, or ......

For that to happen, you need for cina mudah lupa

[Paul Saccani 0]

You chaps may find this media comment interesting.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3998350.htm

[hafiziza 0]

The geopolitics of MH370

 

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21601902-having-bashed-malaysia-over-missing-flight-china-now-making-up-geopolitics-mh370

 

"But government officials are justified in feeling frustrated that the failures of communication have overshadowed their success in efficiently putting together an extraordinary coalition of countries to look for the plane. On the technical side, many acknowledge that Malaysia has done an adequate job with the relatively limited means at its disposal. It has also gone beyond the call of duty in opening up to its search partners, sharing sensitive details of its military radar system, for example, with the Chinese."

[KK Lee 5]

Goglia (former member of the National Transportation Safety Board) tells PopMech that the Malaysian authorities' initial response to the missing plane was "a mess." "They didn't follow well-established international procedures from the very beginning, and it took weeks before they started to. And that got them off on the wrong foot."

Under guidelines from the International Civil Aviation Organization, a UN affiliate, the country of registry of the aircraft is expected to pull together an international team of experts who work as equals. But while the NTSB, the FAA, and other entities sent representatives to Kuala Lumpur, "the Malaysians stuck them in a hotel room and didn't give anything," he says. "They sat there watching TV." A source at NTSB tell PM that relations with the Malaysian investigators improved "once they finally figured out their national reputation was at stake."

Beyond the frustrating search for the plane's black boxes, questions remain about other aspects of the investigation. That includes background checks of all aboard, as well as the examination of contacts among air traffic controllers, both civilian and military, in the countries that MH370 would have flown near or over. In a normal investigation, Goglia says, "everybody that had a role even remotely would have been interviewed about what they heard, what they knew, and all of that would have been vetted."

While Malaysian authorities claim to have conducted extensive interviews, the details are still secret—as is much else surrounding the mystery of MH370.

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/aviation/crashes/should-mh370-investigators-turn-over-data-to-the-families-16776366?click=main_sr

[leon t 0]

well its started agaibn and Acting transport minister said that they are going to review all data again - "

KUALA LUMPUR: Military radar and satellite data from countries in the region will be requested again by the investigation team as the search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 enters phase two.

Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein said the investigation team would review all the data received from all international agencies, including data given by Inmarsat."

and interestingly he even said this " “If our airforce had scrambled its jets, what would have happened? Would we shoot down our own passenger plane if we sent up the Sukhois?” Hishammuddin asked." Seriously, sending up the air force planes means to "shoot down the plane???? What is he talking about or use this silly excuse for not ending up the fighter planes??

The main and major fact is that if the RMAF did send out its planes to verify then they would know for sure where the plane is heading and what it is doing!! And as nothing was even mentioned about whether the RMAF did ieven try to call MH370 and asked why its diverting too says that something is amiss as they did not even try or attempt to establish contact with MH370.

[KK Lee 5]

MAS unplugged 'lifeline', says MH370 crew's kin


MH370 Next-of-kin of the crew members on board the missing MH370 claim the national airline has “abandoned” them after discovering they have engaged a foreign law firm for legal assistance.

Jacquita Gonzales, the widow of Patrick Gomez who was the in-flight supervisor of the flight, said MAS stopped the caregiver services one-and-a-half weeks ago after realising that some of them have engaged US-based Ribbeck Law Chartered.

According to Gonzales (right in photo) the caregivers were their “lifeline” to provide any assistance to the crew members’ next-of-kin in regards to finances, flight transportation and to update them about the latest news of the search operations in the south Indian Ocean.

“From day one they said that ‘we are all family. Anything you want, just come to us, we will help you’. That’s why the caregivers were assigned to us.

“But to take away our caregivers, our lifeline to MAS just like that... It’s actually not right because our caregivers are not there to advice on legal matters.

“They are there to help us on any other things that we need to take care of,” she said at a press conference today along with five other family members of the missing crew.

There were 227 passengers, mostly Chinese citizens, and 12 Malaysian crew members on board when the flight went missing on March 8.

Analysis on radar signals concluded that the flight had ended at the southern Indian Ocean and the search operation are still being conducted off Perth, Australia.

MAS reportedly closed all its family assistance centres and accommodation facilities in Beijing earlier this month.

'Law firm engaged to understand documents'

Shedding tears this afternoon, Gonzales said that the next-of-kin had engaged the legal firm since early April but only found out that that the caregiver services were halted when they called their respective caregivers on May 8.

Instead, they were told to engage MAS’ lawyer through their lawyers on anything related to MH370.

They received an official email regarding the termination of the caregiver services last Friday.

“So it’s like we are abandoned. It’s rather sad because our spouses were the crew of the MH370 and MAS is the employer. Isn’t it supposed to look after their employee?

“As far as I am concerned, my husband is still an employee of MAS. As far as I am concerned, my husband is still on MH370, a flight to Beijing and he has not come back from Beijing yet. He is still on the very long flight

“Now sometimes, I’m thinking, maybe I just have to fly to Perth to get some results on what the search is all about because we don’t know anything already...,” she said in tears.

The 51-year-old said that they will instruct their lawyers to seek further information on the matter from MAS.

When contacted, a spokesperson for the airline said a response will be issued tomorrow.

Meanwhile, Gonzales also clarified that they had sought legal advice to understand the content of documents they were asked to sign.

“I would look at the letter that is given to me to sign, I would take a snapshot of it and send it to a friend who is a lawyer and ask him, ‘Can I sign this? Will I get into trouble?' I am not going to do that all the time," she said.

Kelvin Shim, whose wife was a flight attendant on board, said that at least seven next-of-kin of the crew members had engaged legal advice.

He added that they were kept in the dark over any information about the missing plane after the services ended.

As such, he suspected that this was an attempt by MAS to delay the issuance of advance compensation.

Another flight attendant's spouse, Elaine Chew (right), said that MAS was supposed to provide counselling services to her five-year-old child.

However, she said that the service is still pending because of this issue.

 

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/263118

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

MH370 will be a major box office film on the silver screen.

 

 

http://metro.co.uk/2014/05/18/movie-about-the-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-flight-mh370-film-4732138/?ITO=Facebook

 

Heard Najib insists that George Clooney to play himself and that Hishammudin wants Brad Pitt to play himself. The film will premier at the Cannes Film Festival 2014.

[Izanee 0]

Holy crap... One of the greatest mysteries in aviation history.. Someone was bound to try and make some money off it...

[Cire 0]

About MAS unpluggin the lifeline, I think the intention could be mis-interpreted. When the kins starts to engage lawyers, MAS would have to be more extra cautious in its performance to the kins, to avoid any potential law suits in the future. Perhaps the caregivers were re-called while MAS decides on how best to assist the kins in view of the potential judicial implications now. They will not speak as freely as before or offer any asisstance without putting it through their own lawyers and documented. I think MAS would not abandone the kins. They could be reviewing the procedures.

 

On MAS's bungling of the initial investigations, the fact speaks for itself.

 

Former PM TDM hinted that Beoing and CIA is hiding something, and that MH370 is actually stripped and disguised as another airliner. (makes good movie materials), But what's the motive for doing so? What happened to the passengers, and crews? Surely they can't silence all of them no matter how spy-like the scenario is (change of ID etc.).

[H Azmal 0]

The trailer of the tasteless movie reeks of the same storyline as the 2002 movie Ghost Ship somewhat.To say nothing of the set accuracy e.g. plane type, staff uniform, ethnicity.

 

Not a movie I intend to catch anytime soon.

[Chris Tan 0]

Won't be surprised if they ban the movie in Malaysia...

[BC Tam 2]

Won't be surprised if they ban the movie in Malaysia...

I hope it is banned, not just in Malaysia but by all censors who uphold value of common decency