MAS B772 9M-MRO Flight MH370 KUL-PEK Missing with All 239 POB Presumed Killed

[Cire 0]

 

To be fair the USSR at the time was under heightened alert due to rising tensions during the Cold War. Also KE007 strayed far away from normal airways into ultra sensitive military airspace.

 

MH370 is a much different scenario.

 

In addition, KE007 flew quite "near" to the Russian's sensitive area, and apparently US spy planes were earlier spotted around the region. And as to why the Ground command give the go-ahead and the pilot made the decision to shoot it down, God will only know.

[LaurieB 0]

Have MAS re-allocated the MH370 flt no?

 

Flightradar24 currently shows a T7, 9M-MRJ, airborne heading NW at FL340 between PEN - KNO.

Edited March 20, 2014 by LaurieB

[Cire 0]

Oh yea, someone changed the thread's title. Missing, not crashed.

[KK Lee 5]

 

NTSB suspect MH370 flew until fuel is exhausted?

[Jimz 0]

Hi all, been following as a silent reader all this while and finally feel the urge to share a lil bit.

 

It’s not an air defence unit jurisdiction to control air traffic. Should they need to respond to every unidentified blips then we’ll be having fighters scrambling every minute for interception.

 

As lame as an analogy could be but shall we consider this?

A kid on his way to school. Somewhere along the way he changed clothes and diverted elsewhere. Well the parents obviously thought that their child is at school not until the teacher calls home asking the parents where their child is.

Culprit 1 – Parents
Not monitoring their child movement.

Culprit 2 – Teachers
Not/late informing the parents/police/whoever of the child not coming to school.

Culprit 3 – Police
For not ensuring that the child goes straight to school.

Culprit 4 – The child
Either he acted on his own or he got a friend waiting at a junction or worst, was kidnapped on his way to school

Anybody can judge and blame any of the culprits. With regards to our situation right now, CULPRIT 3 is public enemy no. 1. It’s easy for us, a bystander at the roadside to point fingers demanding explanation. A kid walking on the street wouldn’t raise any suspicion to the police on his patrolling round. Likewise, an anonymous airliner flying in the airways will not trigger the red button not unless it is observed to be diverting going straight to klcc or the kl tower. Being the guy in the air defence radar room, he obviously was not in the know of the flight plan of these aircrafts simply because those are not the thing that’s required off him to know. An air defence radar as the name imply monitor threats coming from the outside or any pop-up unidentified tracks. Primary radar sees hundreds of blips on real time as long as an element produce a significant radar return. Air defence and air traffic control is two different business altogether.

An unidentified blip originating from a known track flying steadily on an airways in a non-suspicious manner wouldn’t warrant the red button being triggered. Yes, could have been better should the radar operator picked up his phone and call the ATC to reconfirm, as in the school kid scenario where the police on patrol could have stopped and asked the kid of his intention. But on a street where there are hundreds of kids walking, how on earth could he know which kid is which not unless he saw one running around wielding parang or one pedaling his bicycle ramming straight into their patrol car! Even so, an abducted kid subdued and dragged in a Myvi would surely pass most prying eyes.

Like a security guard in the mall. It’s just not feasible for security guard to interrogate every passers by unless there are clear sign of malice or ulterior intention. Therefore the model (dressing) is important and remains relevant. A guy sporting a balaclava entering a shopping mall or a nice looking lady in a blouse wandering through to the management floor or a report raised of a shoplifting in one of the premises would certainly be off a concern to the security guard rather than an anonymous browsing the stores. VPG after all is just another point on the airways and any aircraft transiting through M765 from Igari to Penang is bound to fly overhead Butterworth. Mind you, the track is not deviating well deep inside the peninsular as failed to be mentioned by various media but merely an incursion in the top North bordering with Thailand on a steady Westerly heading and flying on a stipulated airways.

Having said all that, certainly an improvement to the SOP’s of national ATC is required. If i recall correctly even the acting transportation minister did suggested earlier of integrating RMAF officers into the DCA. If only it was done sooner.

Not that i’m defending the authorities when they themselves have a lot of other accountability issues. But lets have some respect to those working hard in the effort rather than engage in the endless blaming game. Some information is just beyond our paygrade so lets focus on things that we know rather than speculative assumption. To come to a conclusion that RMAF is sleeping on their job is for me purely immature and speculative.

Edited March 20, 2014 by Jimz

[shahjees 0]

Okay, the photos clearly shows everyone is alert, and bright eyed. Good.

 

Questions.. Communication. Did anyone monitoring the military radar screen made an effort to contact the DCA about MH370's deviation/detour back into Malaysia and out again? More so when the flight route looks abnormal. Or is it not in their protocol to do so? What about the DCA? When they lost contact, did anyone there contacted the RMAF?

 

Who determines whether the blip is hostile or not?

 

even my school buddies knows that commercial airlines flying at cruising altitude via fixed navigational waypoints would hardly raise alarm..

[Cire 0]

Nothing much in the PC, except the credible lead which was actually informed to the PM this morning, and Malaysia's utmost care and concern for the families of the missing passengers.

 

No constructive questions from the press floor either, with one local journalist going at length to paint a picture of the sufferings of the waiting families.

 

Questions today circles around family care, present and future (possibility of flying kins to Australia, if the credible lead is connected to MH370). Whether Malaysia will go the full length (2 years or more) to search for the plane citing Air France as a reference.

The world wants an answer, so do Malaysia.

[Cire 0]

What is it with the special briefings with family members at Cyberjaya ville in a moment? Confirmation on the two pieces of floating objects found?

Edited March 20, 2014 by Cire

[Cire 0]

News is abuzz that Australia's (spy) satellite have most likely shown clear images of the debris floating off its continent, and its confirmation is imminent. This is fueled by the fact that the Australian PM have announced it in his parliament. It got to be a credible information to have it announced in parliament and a phone call to Najib.

 

Perhaps this is why a briefing is held at Cyberjaya ville?

 

Like earlier commented, the images could have its clarity decreased to hide the technologies.

 

The moment of truth.

[Aaron Goh 1]

Geoff i think u pretty much sums it all up thanks

[shahjees 0]

nothing definitive from the way the image looks

 

 

[xtemujin 0]

The images are degraded for the general public.

 

HTH.

 

nothing definitive from the way the image looks

 

 

 

 

[Alif A. F. 0]

Yeah, most probably the resolution was intentionally decreased.

[KK Lee 5]

Critical Data Was Delayed in Search for Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight

 

Four days went by before officials acted on satellite data showing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for several hours away from the area being covered
by a massive international search, people familiar with the matter said—a delay from which investigators are still working to recover.

The satellite's operator, Britain's Inmarsat, on March 11 turned over to a partner company its data analysis and other documents indicating that the plane wasn't anywhere near the areas on either side of Malaysia where more countries and ships had been searching for three days since the plane disappeared. The documents included a map showing two divergent north and south corridors for the plane's route stretching some 3,000 miles from the plane's last previously known location, the people said.


The information was relayed to Malaysian officials by Wednesday, March 12, the people said. Inmarsat also shared the same information with British security and air-safety officials on Wednesday, according to two of the people, who were briefed on the investigation.

Two additional people familiar with the Malaysian side of the probe said the information could have arrived in Kuala Lumpur as late as the morning of March 13.
Enlarge Image

Malaysia's government, concerned about corroborating the data and dealing with internal disagreements about how much information to release, didn't publicly acknowledge Inmarsat's information until March 15, during a news conference with Prime Minister Najib Razak. Malaysia began to redirect the search effort that day to focus on the areas the information described, and said for the first time that deliberate actions were involved in the plane's disappearance.

The disclosures about how the information made its way into the investigation underline how international efforts to find the plane have been repeatedly marred by distrust among the countries involved, confusion in many of Malaysia's public statements, and criticism from many countries that has led some to suspend or change their search efforts in frustration.

The lost days and wasted resources have threatened to impede the investigation, according to some officials involved with the probe.

 

....

 

Within hours of Flight 370's disappearance on March 8, Inmarsat started searching for clues. What little data it had on the short flight before it disappeared was provided to SITA, a Swiss aviation IT company, on the same day, Inmarsat said.

Late that weekend, Inmarsat's team delved into its databases to retrieve periodic "pings," akin to digital handshakes between the plane, a satellite and a ground station, said an industry official briefed on the investigation. The hourly signals provided a crucial clue that the missing 777 most likely remained intact with its engines presumably running hours after it lost contact with civilian radar.

Inmarsat Senior Vice President Chris McLaughlin said that on Monday, March 10, it began extrapolating the location of the jetliner using the aircraft's changing angle and distance to the satellite, which orbits more than 22,000 miles above a point in the Indian Ocean. Mr. McLaughlin said the data was shared the following day with SITA, which in turn shared it with Malaysian officials.

 

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304026304579449680167673144?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304026304579449680167673144.html

Edited March 20, 2014 by KK Lee

[Adam Lawrence 0]

*cough*

 

[Rozhan 0]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=367_1395328940

 

Could it be fire? So far we have been suspecting the people on board. Of course they wont blame Boeing ... With Billions and billions of dollars of aircraft sales at stake.

[shahjees 0]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=367_1395328940

 

Could it be fire? So far we have been suspecting the people on board. Of course they wont blame Boeing ... With Billions and billions of dollars of aircraft sales at stake.

 

sounds plausible to me.. must be the 3 tonnes of mangosteen... 'all right, good night'

[Cire 0]

Critical Data Was Delayed in Search for Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight

 

Four days went by before officials acted on satellite data showing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for several hours away from the area being covered

by a massive international search, people familiar with the matter said—a delay from which investigators are still working to recover.

 

The satellite's operator, Britain's Inmarsat, on March 11 turned over to a partner company its data analysis and other documents indicating that the plane wasn't anywhere near the areas on either side of Malaysia where more countries and ships had been searching for three days since the plane disappeared. The documents included a map showing two divergent north and south corridors for the plane's route stretching some 3,000 miles from the plane's last previously known location, the people said.

 

 

The information was relayed to Malaysian officials by Wednesday, March 12, the people said. Inmarsat also shared the same information with British security and air-safety officials on Wednesday, according to two of the people, who were briefed on the investigation.

 

Two additional people familiar with the Malaysian side of the probe said the information could have arrived in Kuala Lumpur as late as the morning of March 13.

Enlarge Image

 

Malaysia's government, concerned about corroborating the data and dealing with internal disagreements about how much information to release, didn't publicly acknowledge Inmarsat's information until March 15, during a news conference with Prime Minister Najib Razak. Malaysia began to redirect the search effort that day to focus on the areas the information described, and said for the first time that deliberate actions were involved in the plane's disappearance.

 

The disclosures about how the information made its way into the investigation underline how international efforts to find the plane have been repeatedly marred by distrust among the countries involved, confusion in many of Malaysia's public statements, and criticism from many countries that has led some to suspend or change their search efforts in frustration.

 

The lost days and wasted resources have threatened to impede the investigation, according to some officials involved with the probe.

 

....

 

Within hours of Flight 370's disappearance on March 8, Inmarsat started searching for clues. What little data it had on the short flight before it disappeared was provided to SITA, a Swiss aviation IT company, on the same day, Inmarsat said.

 

Late that weekend, Inmarsat's team delved into its databases to retrieve periodic "pings," akin to digital handshakes between the plane, a satellite and a ground station, said an industry official briefed on the investigation. The hourly signals provided a crucial clue that the missing 777 most likely remained intact with its engines presumably running hours after it lost contact with civilian radar.

 

Inmarsat Senior Vice President Chris McLaughlin said that on Monday, March 10, it began extrapolating the location of the jetliner using the aircraft's changing angle and distance to the satellite, which orbits more than 22,000 miles above a point in the Indian Ocean. Mr. McLaughlin said the data was shared the following day with SITA, which in turn shared it with Malaysian officials.

 

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304026304579449680167673144?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304026304579449680167673144.html

 

 

All the while, observers have hinted on Malaysia's flaws in the SAR focus. Probably precious time was taken to retrace their steps and operations to ensure everything is intact (covered) before opening up to international "corroborations".

Anyway, such short falls will be dealt with later. Now the primarily focus is to search the South Indian ocean, and the recovery and confirmation of the debris sighted by satellites.

[V Wong 0]

 

sounds plausible to me.. must be the 3 tonnes of mangosteen... 'all right, good night'

Go read Mohammed Hanif's 'A Case of Exploding Mangoes' for some parallels, sad it may be.

[MIR 2]

9M-MRO search- 21 March 2014, Southern Indian Ocean updates:

First AP-3C Orion departed to the location at 0615 today.

GLEX (VH-TGG) along with a second AP-3C Orion departed around 0830. VH-TGG due back in PER at 1406 this afternoon.

Third AP-3C ETD 1000, P-8A ETD 1300.

Edited March 21, 2014 by MIR

[Waiping 12]

It seems too much to lose now with focus on the new lead.

 

Time to come home now Romeo Oscar...

[KC Sim 2]

Yes indeed ... the whole world is rooting for you Romeo Oscar. Reach out to those planes and ships searching for you ... those 239 people on board need to be reunited with their loved ones in one way or another.

 

The world needs to know what really happened ... just so that there is no repeat of such an event.

 

Keeping my fingers crossed ... and praying also for favourable weather until this search accomplishes its desired results.

 

KC Sim

[flee 5]

Weather should be good and clear for the next 48 hours.

[Isaac 0]

Some of the "experts" that have appeared on international news networks were involved in the investigation of several planes crashes in the past. Some were confident it was a hijack from Day 1. Some were more conservative with their answers and ran through several possibilities but said nothing definite.

 

This theory about there was a fire somewhere in the aircraft and all communication system just stopped working was first brought up early last week just 3 to 4 days after the plane went missing by a former inspector general of US DOT and she has been very skeptical on what happened to MH370 had anything to do with hijack all along. She said this after all the major media outlets started reporting that there was a possibility the plane made a turn back. She did not rule out the possibility of a hijack completely but she said it is possible that something we did not already know happened to MH370 and there could be a lot of new things we can learn from this. Her view was supported by a retired BA 777 pilot and a former NWA captain. Then again, some think these "expert" only talk rubbish... well...

 

 

*cough*

 

What is wrong with this picture ? This picture clearly was taken while the plane was on the ground.

Edited March 21, 2014 by Isaac

[Cire 0]

Some of the "experts" that have appeared on international news networks were involved in the investigation of several planes crashes in the past. Some were confident it was a hijack from Day 1. Some were more conservative with their answers and ran through several possibilities but said nothing definite.

 

This theory about there was a fire somewhere in the aircraft and all communication system just stopped working was first brought up early last week just 3 to 4 days after the plane went missing by a former inspector general of US DOT and she has been very skeptical on what happened to MH370 had anything to do with hijack all along. She said this after all the major media outlets started reporting that there was a possibility the plane made a turn back. She did not rule out the possibility of a hijack completely but she said it is possible that something we did not already know happened to MH370 and there could be a lot of new things we can learn from this. Her view was supported by a retired BA 777 pilot and a former NWA captain. But of course, some think it is all rubbish. So some probably have missed this interview too...

 

 

What is wrong with this picture ? This picture clearly was taken while the plane was on the ground.

 

Theories were abound due to the fact that we know little about what happened to the aircraft. There are not much tell tale signs to work on. All the experts can do is conjourn up some theories based on the available information at hand and their past experiences.

 

As the day passed and more findings being made available, existing theories start to evolve and at the same time, new one will crop up as well. However, it will not go far off from their theories.