Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Here's another theory on how the plane could have avoided detection from Indian & Pakistani radar on its way to one of the -Stans. Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68 (another 777)? By: Keith Ledgerwood:http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68 Edited March 17, 2014 by Mohd Suhaimi Fariz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alberttky 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 My brain is overloaded with all the information that's flying all over the place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cire 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 if there is a breach into Singapore airforce - for sure the RSAF will send its fighters to identify the aircraft - and the same for most countries. In this case, believed even though the RMAF may have its new improved primary radar but the people maybe asleep for all one knows! As for the theory that MH370 may have proceeded northeast towards india - india and Pakistan have come out to say their radar detected no intrusions into their airspace. And yes, don't know why the Malaysian police decided so fast to clear the 2 Iranians from any links as how would the local police knows so fast and especially if they are using stolen passports - and that Iran is a known country that have supported terrorist groups. true...no one goes off the list until the real culprits are identified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newitt 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 I think stopping the search in the South China Sea isn't very prudent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtemujin 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 Australia agrees to lead search in Indian Ocean for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-agrees-to-lead-search-in-indian-ocean-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-20140317-34xay.html#ixzz2wD6Xtu4J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cire 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Here's another theory on how the plane could have avoided detection from Indian & Pakistani radar on its way to one of the -Stans. yup... I have the same theory too that MH370 have disguised itself and flown off to the north. Whoever done that is one remarkable precision person. Now the million dollar question is - why? Is it because of a very valuable cargo that the Russians speculated about? Or is it for the high value passengers such as the electronic technicians from Freescales? Australia agrees to lead search in Indian Ocean for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-agrees-to-lead-search-in-indian-ocean-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-20140317-34xay.html#ixzz2wD6Xtu4J Perhaps to do a search at the alleged secret US island right in the middle of the Indian ocean? There's a landing strip long enough to land a jumbo aircraft. Worried that if its a conspiracy, all traces of aircraft and life on board would vanish forever. Indian ocean have the deepest and remotest ocean in the world. SEPANG: A Greek petrochemical tank was asked to keep an eye out for ‘floating suitcases’ at the Straits of Malacca here yesterday. Elka Athina, a barge heading to Suez was alerted by Indonesian authorities over radio, warning them that they were ‘approaching a field of debris’. Several Greek news portals, Tovima and Times of Change were abuzz as sources from the barge alerted them over the apparent sighting. The portals reported several other barges passing the the busy straits were ‘rushed’ to a coordinate off Sumatran waters. Read more: MISSING MH370: Debris found at Straits of Malacca - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-debris-found-at-straits-of-malacca-1.517746#ixzz2wD9vy5zX Edited March 17, 2014 by Cire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cire 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 What happened to MAS, could also happen to any other airlines around the country. So, it is of best interest to other countries to find out what actually happened and hopefully to put some deterrents in place to deter such incidence from happening again. So this incident is not Malaysia's incident or problem, its an international one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waiping 12 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 yup... I have the same theory too that MH370 have disguised itself and flown off to the north. Whoever done that is one remarkable precision person. Now the million dollar question is - why? Is it because of a very valuable cargo that the Russians speculated about? Or is it for the high value passengers such as the electronic technicians from Freescales? Perhaps to do a search at the alleged secret US island right in the middle of the Indian ocean? There's a landing strip long enough to land a jumbo aircraft. Worried that if its a conspiracy, all traces of aircraft and life on board would vanish forever. Indian ocean have the deepest and remotest ocean in the world. Read more: MISSING MH370: Debris found at Straits of Malacca - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-debris-found-at-straits-of-malacca-1.517746#ixzz2wD9vy5zX There is about 3-4 tonnes of mangosteen onboard according to MH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
V Wong 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) There is about 3-4 tonnes of mangosteen onboard according to MH. Nearly choked on the dried mangoes that I was eating when heard AJ disclosed the cargo load. On another note, during PC today acting MOT was tense. It now appeared that he may have been creating confusion when he firmly replied yesterday that ACARS was switched off BEFORE the 'alright, good night' was uttered. Today, AJ clarified that last ACARS signal was received at 1.07am, 'alright, good night' was said by First Officer at 1.19am. The next expected ACARS at 1.37am did not materialise. As I understand it, ACARS could have been switched off before OR after FO's said those words. When grilled further on this, the acting MOT said the earlier the black box is found, the better we can understand what happened Edited March 17, 2014 by V Wong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cire 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) I don't know about others but such seni halimunan and some vip visits to the kins' hotel at Sama-sama are turning this sombre incident into a circus! Its distasteful for the artist to display his "art" to gain some TV and media coverage in the name of morale boosting for MH370 ! What's next? Some wau flying folks displaying their arts as a way to boost morale of the kins or some ex-servicemen doing aerobic dance at the airport lounge? Shameful indeed. Edited March 17, 2014 by Cire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cire 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 Nearly choked on the dried mangoes that I was eating when heard AJ disclosed the cargo load. On another note, during PC today acting MOT was tense. It now appeared that he may have been creating confusion when he firmly replied yesterday that ACARS was switched off BEFORE the 'alright, good night' was uttered. Today, AJ clarified that last ACARS signal was received at 1.07am, 'alright, good night' was said by First Officer at 1.19am. The next expected ACARS at 1.37am did not materialise. As I understand it, ACARS could have been switched off before OR after FO's said those words. When grilled further on this, the acting MOT said the earlier the black box is found, the better we can understand what happened premature of act-MOT comments about the black-box etc. He tripped on his words today. Home minister clarified in parliament that the two Iranians entered into the country using genuine Austrian and German passports. Not fake. huh..? So, its genuinely forged in other words? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil M. 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 Radar need line of sight, SIN ground based radar is not possible to reach BKI except when RSAF E-2C/G550 CAEW is within range. Thats what i thought too, just whether the 2 aircrafts were airborne at that time?By the way can those aircrafts pick up signal from the ELT? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geoff.leo 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 To Hishamuddin and co., please produce a report in black and white, laying out the sequence and timeline of confirmed and verified information to the public, of whatever has been released so far. And if there's a finding which involves complicated technical explanation, e.g. the satellite pings, give a detailed explanation in black and white. This can either be sent as press releases or put on the MOT's website at a reasonable time before a scheduled press conference. This way, you give the press and public sufficient time to study and digest the information. And then during the press conferences, journalists would be able to ask more relevant questions. And you lower the risk of being accused of contradictory and confusing remarks. Impression counts. The bad impression you're giving is belittling the good work I'm sure you and the rest of the team are doing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zamim 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 Nearly choked on the dried mangoes that I was eating when heard AJ disclosed the cargo load. On another note, during PC today acting MOT was tense. It now appeared that he may have been creating confusion when he firmly replied yesterday that ACARS was switched off BEFORE the 'alright, good night' was uttered. Today, AJ clarified that last ACARS signal was received at 1.07am, 'alright, good night' was said by First Officer at 1.19am. The next expected ACARS at 1.37am did not materialise. As I understand it, ACARS could have been switched off before OR after FO's said those words. When grilled further on this, the acting MOT said the earlier the black box is found, the better we can understand what happened 1. Why 3-4 tons of mangosteen? It's very vague. CEO could have mentioned the exact weight since all recorded in the cargo manifest 2. All conversations between pilots and ATC are recorded by ATC for record purposes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newitt 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 1. Why 3-4 tons of mangosteen? It's very vague. CEO could have mentioned the exact weight since all recorded in the cargo manifest 2. All conversations between pilots and ATC are recorded by ATC for record purposes. I hope the ATC recording doesn't get erased 'accidentally' knowing their incompetence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 (SOS) YAHOO UPDATE 7.41PM : Salient points from press conference at 5.30pm: - Last words from cockpit - ‘Alright, good night’ was said by the co-pilot. - Last ACARS transmission at 1.07am. Next signal due 30 minutes later but did not happen. ACARS could have been switched off between this time. - Plane was carrying three to four tonnes of mangosteen in cargo, no hazardous cargo. - On a news report that plane flew at 5,000 feet to avoid radar, MAS says ‘it did not come from us’. - Pilots flew as assigned by roster, no swap. - Two Malaysian ships and a helicopter have been deployed. - MAS now on ‘code tango’ - a heightened security code that looks at all possible security shortcomings. All psychological tests on pilots will be reviewed. - Defence and Acting Transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein denied that Malaysia was not working closely with the FBI, saying he has been working with them and Interpol ‘since day one’. - Why only two corridors? Calculations done based on minimum and maximum speed of plane. On the northern corridor plane could have reached Laos at minimum speed or the edge of the Caspian sea at maximum speed. On the southern corridor, plane could have reached east of Sumatra at minimum speed and south of the Indian Ocean at maximum speed. DCA chief: Six handshakes (pings) were received by geo satellite on top of Indian Ocean. Only information available is the time of the pings, but no coordinates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 The Singapore Armed Forces has offered Malaysia the help of its Information Fusion Centre, which collates information on maritime security issues, to locate the missing #MalaysiaAirlines flight #MH370. http://bit.ly/1qLHnx6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 Hot discussion about MH going bankrupt following the incident. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6025553/ If MH were to be bankrupt, with the assumption that Khazanah can not afford to pay for the bill of all the cost associated with flight MH370, what are the contributors and its possible amount? Compensation to families of 239 POB - AF paid EUR 17,500 of initial compensation to each POB on the AF447 tragedy. Same basis: EUR 17,500 x 4.5553 = RM 79,717.80 x 239 POB = RM 19,052,554.20. Lawsuit from 239 POB - RM x Lawsuit of manslaughter from the French government - RM x Cost from SAR related efforts - RM x Cost from experts investigation - RM x Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 Hot discussion about MH going bankrupt following the incident. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6025553/ If MH were to be bankrupt, with the assumption that Khazanah can not afford to pay for the bill of all the cost associated with flight MH370, what are the contributors and its possible amount? Compensation to families of 239 POB - AF paid EUR 17,500 of initial compensation to each POB on the AF447 tragedy. Same basis: EUR 17,500 x 4.5553 = RM 79,717.80 x 239 POB = RM 19,052,554.20. Lawsuit from 239 POB - RM x Lawsuit of manslaughter from the French government - RM x Cost from SAR related efforts - RM x Cost from experts investigation - RM x A bit strayed off course from topic, but all I can say is...time to kiss our EPF money goodbye!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted March 17, 2014 Hot discussion about MH going bankrupt following the incident. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6025553/ If MH were to be bankrupt, with the assumption that Khazanah can not afford to pay for the bill of all the cost associated with flight MH370, what are the contributors and its possible amount? Compensation to families of 239 POB - AF paid EUR 17,500 of initial compensation to each POB on the AF447 tragedy. Same basis: EUR 17,500 x 4.5553 = RM 79,717.80 x 239 POB = RM 19,052,554.20. Lawsuit from 239 POB - RM x Lawsuit of manslaughter from the French government - RM x Cost from SAR related efforts - RM x Cost from experts investigation - RM x Believe airline like MH is pretty much covered by insurance. Further, MH is having perceived Sovereign guarantee, won't be bankrupted by this incident/accident, however, those power in the corridor could use this incident/accident to shut down the airline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted March 18, 2014 Hot discussion about MH going bankrupt following the incident. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6025553/ If MH were to be bankrupt, with the assumption that Khazanah can not afford to pay for the bill of all the cost associated with flight MH370, what are the contributors and its possible amount? Compensation to families of 239 POB - AF paid EUR 17,500 of initial compensation to each POB on the AF447 tragedy. Same basis: EUR 17,500 x 4.5553 = RM 79,717.80 x 239 POB = RM 19,052,554.20. Lawsuit from 239 POB - RM x Lawsuit of manslaughter from the French government - RM x Cost from SAR related efforts - RM x Cost from experts investigation - RM x Media is hungry for "news" - just see how many reporters CNN has in KL now trying to find different angles to the story. Having said that, it would be a good excuse to close down MH and then restart with a slimmer and more cost efficient airline that has none of the legacy problems that MH built up over the past 42 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cire 0 Report post Posted March 18, 2014 1. Why 3-4 tons of mangosteen? It's very vague. CEO could have mentioned the exact weight since all recorded in the cargo manifest 2. All conversations between pilots and ATC are recorded by ATC for record purposes. Agreed. Records to show how much fuel (in litres) were pumped in, and how much was the total fuel during take off etc. Not telling in details gives an impression that either the person is not fully aware of it or is careless about it. Media is hungry for "news" - just see how many reporters CNN has in KL now trying to find different angles to the story. Having said that, it would be a good excuse to close down MH and then restart with a slimmer and more cost efficient airline that has none of the legacy problems that MH built up over the past 42 years. Insurance would have cover the losses eventhough not entirely. At the moment, no one is at fault (yet) as the outcome is unavailable. It could be a terrorist attack or it could be pilots' sabotage. No one is for sure knows what's going on. And until such outcome is known, MAS would not be in problem. Furthermore, the government would not let it go down either. Closing down and making it a slimmer airline would not yield the results expected if the management and operations remained highly influenced by the government. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenneth T 0 Report post Posted March 18, 2014 It doesnt surprise many of us at all after all the survival of MH is on tax payers' expense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Lawrence 0 Report post Posted March 18, 2014 and now everyone else also wanted to be an expert in this case: http://blog.sfgate.com/loaded/2014/03/17/courtney-love-claims-to-have-found-missing-plane/ http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/courtney-love-thinks-she-may-have-found-missing-malaysian-plane-20140317 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waiping 12 Report post Posted March 18, 2014 Well I hope nobody other than those directly involved (family of the victims) are eyeing the insurance money for their own sake! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites