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MAS B772 9M-MRO Flight MH370 KUL-PEK Missing with All 239 POB Presumed Killed

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another important question is even though all communications system with the ground or satellites have been "allegedly" turned off, wouldnt it be possible that the cabin crew or even anyone of the crew realized that the plane had made a 180 turnback without reason and flying 4-5 hours on opposite direction.

 

is the flight map also received its feed from the satellite communication system or the actual movement of the aircraft? and with this why not a single people in the cabin managed to alert the ground of the turn-back using their cell-phones?If the pilot is acting alone-it would be almost impossible for him to overcome the other 200 plus people on board if they tried to detain him.

 

Radar tracked the plane flew almost to its flying ceiling level. Pilots said that at that attitude, it could knock off all the passengers if the pressurization is deliberately not set accordingly.

If this had happened, the hijackers could have confiscated all the cell phone from the unconscious passengers and the batteries taken out.

Whatever it is, the actions are done by someone who really did a good job in the planning of this event.

They choose to take actions as the plane is about to change transit over to Vietnam airbase. Transponders switched off right in the middle of the South China Seas. They knew fully well the Malaysian gov. will concentrate their SAR in the seas. As to how they know the military radars would not arouse the authorities of their presence, this we all know now - lights on, but no one inside.

 

Being India and Pakistan are on a high alert situation, any intrusion in their airspace would have scrambled jets to investigate and intercept. If MH370 have flown over their skies, it would have use a different code to disguise itself. That's why a thorough review of the radar data record is important now to determine whether any flight code have suddenly stopped transponding etc.

 

If MH370 have not flown north, then the Indon's radar would need to take a look at with similar tracing.

And the attention will be turn to the Russian's allegations of US's interference..

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Some MH 772s are equipped with email/SMS capabilities.

In event of a hijacking, doubt if anyone will have presence of mind to go fiddling with their credit card to pay for those services, which I believe are payable

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In event of a hijacking, doubt if anyone will have presence of mind to go fiddling with their credit card to pay for those services, which I believe are payable

 

I think pax & cabin crew all disabled when plane climbed to 45k feet soon after turnback -- decompression took place to ensure that.

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No one have blamed the pilots for the deliberated act to divert the plane. Investigation carried out on the pilots and as well as the crew and passengers are essential to determine who are the one who have the likely potential to make such an unprecedented hijacked.

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No one have blamed the pilots for the deliberated act to divert the plane. Investigation carried out on the pilots and as well as the crew and passengers are essential to determine who are the one who have the likely potential to make such an unprecedented hijacked.

 

MH370 flew as low as 1,500m to avoid detection, says paper

As the search for the missing flight MH370 enters its 10th day with few clues as to its whereabouts, the New Straits Times said today the Boeing 777-200ER dropped 5,000 feet (1,500m) to evade commercial radar detection.

In an exclusive story, the government-backed paper said investigators analysing MH370’s flight data revealed that the 200-tonne, fully laden twinjet descended 1,500m or even lower to evade commercial (secondary) radar coverage after it turned back from its flight path en route to Beijing.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mh370-flew-as-low-as-1500m-to-avoid-detection-says-nst

The episode is getting from bizarre to ridiculous. Until a motive is established, smell like; if all else failed, blame on pilot or one big cover up.

The plot thicken yet again.

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Well, that might explain some villagers' claims that the plane flew very low until the house gegar (shakes) , and hearing of fan noise (bunyi kipas).

However, at 1,500m the aircraft would be burning more fuel than ever and will not have the endurance to go as far as one of the "...tans" countries upnorth.

 

Can't help but wondered if there's any chance that the MH370 is remotely commandeered. But then, any camera on the aircraft / cockpit would have been noticed by the pilots before they take off.
Point is, whoever is flying the aircraft is very capable and experience pilots who knows the region well.

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Well, that might explain some villagers' claims that the plane flew very low until the house gegar (shakes) , and hearing of fan noise (bunyi kipas).

However, at 1,500m the aircraft would be burning more fuel than ever and will not have the endurance to go as far as one of the "...tans" countries upnorth.

 

Can't help but wondered if there's any chance that the MH370 is remotely commandeered. But then, any camera on the aircraft / cockpit would have been noticed by the pilots before they take off.

Point is, whoever is flying the aircraft is very capable and experience pilots who knows the region well.

 

 

If MH370 did flew at low level for a period, did it still have enough fuel left to cruise for another 7 hours or so?

 

Until a motive is established, could this unidentified aircraft collided with or shot down MH370 and tried to escape from the scene?

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yes I don't believe that the pilots should be even bought into the limelight now, and even the local media alluded to the CPT being an opposition member! and how ridiculous its becoming even with the officials handling the crisis. And I do not believ its a hijacking or even terrorism. the main thing being there's no claim of responsibility for the action as that should be the modus operandi of such groups. And had the really planned it in advance and with thoughts - then why chose a plane heading to Beijing with only abt 7 hours plus of fuel n flying time only - and having to make a turn back and waste another hour plus going towards the indian ocean?/ It would make more sense then to chose a plane heading towards Europe with fuel loded for up to 13 to 14 hrs of flight time and especially heading that way - without going east then turn back to west and wasting more than 2 hours flying time/fuel on it???

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yes I don't believe that the pilots should be even bought into the limelight now, and even the local media alluded to the CPT being an opposition member! and how ridiculous its becoming even with the officials handling the crisis. And I do not believ its a hijacking or even terrorism. the main thing being there's no claim of responsibility for the action as that should be the modus operandi of such groups. And had the really planned it in advance and with thoughts - then why chose a plane heading to Beijing with only abt 7 hours plus of fuel n flying time only - and having to make a turn back and waste another hour plus going towards the indian ocean?/ It would make more sense then to chose a plane heading towards Europe with fuel loded for up to 13 to 14 hrs of flight time and especially heading that way - without going east then turn back to west and wasting more than 2 hours flying time/fuel on it???

 

The disappearance is beyond comprehension for the aviators, anti-terrorism agencies, governments, and is totally unprecedented.

Thus, as to why the plane was taken and the route it was in, the moment of "assault", no one could fairly pin a reason for it, at the moment.

 

However, the outcome could be either of these;

 

1. hijackers emerged and demands made - hijack

2. plane have crashed, and wreakage found in the oddest of location "where nobody goes.." - suicide

3. plane and everyone onboard remained untraceable forever - US conspiracies.

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Just watched a special report on Fox news - and one aviation expert question the malaysian authorities on how they know that the transponder was switched off and that the mani thing is when the transponder is switched off the Attitude of the plane will not be known and how therefore the authorities can brief that the plane climbed to 45,ooo feet and then down to 25,500 feet?? There is no way to know the attitude once the transponder is switched off - and even if they answered that mutliple primary radar and triangulating it - still would not give even a good attitude reading - so how can the malaysian officials quoted exactly 45,000 feet and then precisely 25,000 feet is baffling. This if not answered intelligently will look like the malaysian officials are shooting themselves in the foot.

Another major point is that the RMAF primary radars picked up a Unidentified plane believed only to be MH370 but cannot be confirmed and tracked it to over to past Penang - and nothing was done to interrogate the unidentified plane which do not have a flight plan andsimply allow it to pass through - and the weak answer if that its not "hostile" How would they even know if its not hostile?? And this info came after 3 days of the incident when the radar tracks were reviewed? It looks even possible now that the radar operators did not even see this blips at all and only after the fact that they foiund it after the incident - and hence no effrot tocontact the unidentified plane nor scramble its air force planes to intercept it.

Had it done that - then all these speculations from the point the MH370 signals were switched off will be known and the incident wrapped up.

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Another major point is that the RMAF primary radars picked up a Unidentified plane believed only to be MH370 but cannot be confirmed and tracked it to over to past Penang - and nothing was done to interrogate the unidentified plane which do not have a flight plan andsimply allow it to pass through - and the weak answer if that its not "hostile" How would they even know if its not hostile?? And this info came after 3 days of the incident when the radar tracks were reviewed? It looks even possible now that the radar operators did not even see this blips at all and only after the fact that they foiund it after the incident - and hence no effrot tocontact the unidentified plane nor scramble its air force planes to intercept it.

Had it done that - then all these speculations from the point the MH370 signals were switched off will be known and the incident wrapped up.

I really worry about RMAF - an unidentified aircraft was traced on radar and they did not scramble any fighters to intercept it. So, it is quite easy to attack Malaysia. Just do it at 1 am! ;)

So far, looking at the live PCs, all those on the Malaysian side seem incompetent. They only read out a prepared statement. AJ was stupid enough not to mug up on all the facts about 9M-MRO. He was shown up when he did not know if all the maintenance advisories were applied to the plane. Silly isn't it? Major disaster happened and the CEO is still in the dark...

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The disappearance is beyond comprehension for the aviators, anti-terrorism agencies, governments, and is totally unprecedented.

Thus, as to why the plane was taken and the route it was in, the moment of "assault", no one could fairly pin a reason for it, at the moment.

 

However, the outcome could be either of these;

 

1. hijackers emerged and demands made - hijack

2. plane have crashed, and wreakage found in the oddest of location "where nobody goes.." - suicide

3. plane and everyone onboard remained untraceable forever - US conspiracies.

The papers been saying that the pilot committed suicide and ditched the plane into the ocean. That is pretty stupid theory because if he is able to do a zigzag route to dodge the radar. He may as well take it as far as he can and land somewhere secretive! A person who want to commit suicide will not carefully select the flight path where it can be difficult to trace.

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I really worry about RMAF - an unidentified aircraft was traced on radar and they did not scramble any fighters to intercept it. So, it is quite easy to attack Malaysia. Just do it at 1 am! ;)

So far, looking at the live PCs, all those on the Malaysian side seem incompetent. They only read out a prepared statement. AJ was stupid enough not to mug up on all the facts about 9M-MRO. He was shown up when he did not know if all the maintenance advisories were applied to the plane. Silly isn't it? Major disaster happened and the CEO is still in the dark...

 

There was no threat. The Thais probably not gonna attack us due to political unrest there, and we are "protected" by the unrest in Northern border which the Thais think we have something to do with it. If you pass thru Malaysia/Thai border I think the Thais take border control much more seriously than us. So who else would attack us, or specifically KL?

 

If your car got stolen you file for an insurance claim and get a huge sum. Does that apply to planes?

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Meanwhile, back in April 2013...

 

Hacker targets flight deck computer systems

 

Aviation agencies in Europe and the US are keen to quiz a hacker who targeted flight deck computers. Security researcher Hugo Teso was able to "hijack" the systems to feed false navigation information to a simulated jet that made it change course. Mr Teso built his simulator using spare parts from real jets for sale on the eBay auction site. Authorities say actual flight computers are not compromised by his work but want to find out more.

 

More on: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-22107433

 

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The Malaysia military took full delivery of one of the advanced Thales Raytheon Systems early last year with an integrated Sentry command and control system and the Ground Master 400 3D radar.


According to Thales, the MADGE system operates in real-time and features multi-radar tracking and a flexible human-machine interface.


The GM 400 radar also provides long-range surveillance capabilities for the Royal Malaysian Air Force.


Its reach is up to 400 km and it is more than sufficient to detect the MH370.


(Source MalaysiaToday)


If its true surely someone out there knows what happen to the aircraft, unless the pilot is aware of the limitation of the radar coverage.(Its a mobile unit by the way)

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Since no one knows the fate of the aircraft, we can only hope for the best.

 

 

The final signals from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have been made after the plane landed, according to a senior official, and it has been revealed the calm last words from the cockpit were broadcast despite whoever saying them knowing its transponders had already been switched off.

 

 

 

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/16/11/27/pilot-s-political-views-under-scrutiny

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To me, those two goons with the false passports should be the ones who need to be investigated further. Just because they haven't set off any alarm bells with the various terror-agencies around the world doesn't mean they should get the all clear.

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if there is a breach into Singapore airforce - for sure the RSAF will send its fighters to identify the aircraft - and the same for most countries. In this case, believed even though the RMAF may have its new improved primary radar but the people maybe asleep for all one knows!

As for the theory that MH370 may have proceeded northeast towards india - india and Pakistan have come out to say their radar detected no intrusions into their airspace.

And yes, don't know why the Malaysian police decided so fast to clear the 2 Iranians from any links as how would the local police knows so fast and especially if they are using stolen passports - and that Iran is a known country that have supported terrorist groups.

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if there is a breach into Singapore airforce - for sure the RSAF will send its fighters to identify the aircraft - and the same for most countries. In this case, believed even though the RMAF may have its new improved primary radar but the people maybe asleep for all one knows!

As for the theory that MH370 may have proceeded northeast towards india - india and Pakistan have come out to say their radar detected no intrusions into their airspace.

And yes, don't know why the Malaysian police decided so fast to clear the 2 Iranians from any links as how would the local police knows so fast and especially if they are using stolen passports - and that Iran is a known country that have supported terrorist groups.

 

I thought it was Interpol who cleared the Iranians?

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Just watched a special report on Fox news - and one aviation expert question the malaysian authorities on how they know that the transponder was switched off and that the mani thing is when the transponder is switched off the Attitude of the plane will not be known and how therefore the authorities can brief that the plane climbed to 45,ooo feet and then down to 25,500 feet?? There is no way to know the attitude once the transponder is switched off - and even if they answered that mutliple primary radar and triangulating it - still would not give even a good attitude reading - so how can the malaysian officials quoted exactly 45,000 feet and then precisely 25,000 feet is baffling. This if not answered intelligently will look like the malaysian officials are shooting themselves in the foot.

Another major point is that the RMAF primary radars picked up a Unidentified plane believed only to be MH370 but cannot be confirmed and tracked it to over to past Penang - and nothing was done to interrogate the unidentified plane which do not have a flight plan andsimply allow it to pass through - and the weak answer if that its not "hostile" How would they even know if its not hostile?? And this info came after 3 days of the incident when the radar tracks were reviewed? It looks even possible now that the radar operators did not even see this blips at all and only after the fact that they foiund it after the incident - and hence no effrot tocontact the unidentified plane nor scramble its air force planes to intercept it.

Had it done that - then all these speculations from the point the MH370 signals were switched off will be known and the incident wrapped up.

 

Heard RMAF radar was the talk of corridor at one of U.S radar research institute, they were amazed and fascinated with its capability.

 

Believe it is not unusual to have civilian aircraft with faulty transponder or deviated from filed flight plan transiting between waypoints. On some reconnaissance mission, military aircraft use civilian way point to blend in.

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I am curious too! when they cant tell for sure that if the aircraft actually turn back and yet they know it actually dip down to a lower altitude.Also i am curious what the singaporeans know what transpired at that sector.They supposedly have very powerful radar covering that area all the way up to kota kinabalu!

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I am curious too! when they cant tell for sure that if the aircraft actually turn back and yet they know it actually dip down to a lower altitude.Also i am curious what the singaporeans know what transpired at that sector.They supposedly have very powerful radar covering that area all the way up to kota kinabalu!

 

Radar need line of sight, SIN ground based radar is not possible to reach BKI except when RSAF E-2C/G550 CAEW is within range.

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