alberttky 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 SIN can accept turboprop no problem despite being busier... I believe its more to our own-created restrictions here in Malaysia. The plan is that turboprob traffic will be going to Seletar... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lock SH 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 Hahaha, I once rode a turboprop out of O'Hare ORD! With 7 runways operating simultaneously, multi-type and category of aircraft, strong wind most of the time with extreme weather during winter, certainly a very 'enjoyable' airport to operate in and out. I reckoned, the highest threat operating in and out of ORD is during taxi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reyneo 0 Report post Posted April 5, 2013 The plan is that turboprob traffic will be going to Seletar... As far as i know, the plan has been and still is, to consolidate all passenger traffic at changi. In fact, ever since Berjaya Air moved from Seletar to Changi in 2010, there have been no more scheduled commercial flights into seletar. XPS is now used for business/private aviation purposes and for MRO activities at the Seletar Aerospace Park. http://www.seletarairport.com/about/vision/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted April 5, 2013 I don't believe any US airports separate their props and jets operations. You could have a props only operation due to airport restrictions (runway length, terminal facilities etc.), but to separate them because props cannot operate at a airport is bizarre. Most US carriers have a subsidiary or at least another company operating on their behalf their props operations and *mainly* used for flights under 2 hours. I understand if MAHB want SZB props only operations due to noise abatement etc. but to forbid props at KUL is strange. Maybe Malindo, Firefly etc. wants to operate props because they can only do so from SZB and they may generate more O&D traffic from there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alberttky 0 Report post Posted April 5, 2013 (edited) As far as i know, the plan has been and still is, to consolidate all passenger traffic at changi. In fact, ever since Berjaya Air moved from Seletar to Changi in 2010, there have been no more scheduled commercial flights into seletar. XPS is now used for business/private aviation purposes and for MRO activities at the Seletar Aerospace Park.http://www.seletarairport.com/about/vision/ The plan changes every now and then. Now due to heavy congestion ay WSSS during peak periods CAAS wants to shift turboprop flights back to WSSL at least for the time being, once the ILS installation is done on RWY 03. I see the proppies possibly returning to Changi once T4 opens and the 3rd runway is open to civilian traffic. Edited April 5, 2013 by alberttky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted April 8, 2013 ATR @ SZB in June, a senior Malindo person confirmed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CH Teo 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2013 ATR @ SZB in June, a senior Malindo person confirmed. So, who has any idea when first Malindo ATR come in and where to be flown?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lock SH 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2013 The most lucrative sector within Peninsular of M'sia - KBR - is certainly on the card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted April 8, 2013 So, who has any idea when first Malindo ATR come in and where to be flown?? Hope to catch their ATR delivery flight at SZB... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JingKai Seah 0 Report post Posted April 9, 2013 No Tanjungpinang (TNJ) ? How I wish there are airlines plying SZB - TNJ or KUL - TNJ.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CH Teo 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 PETALING JAYA (April 12, 2013): As Malindo Airremains tight-lipped over its plan to start turboprop operations out ofthe Skypark Terminal in Subang, industry observers and analysts are notdiscounting the possibility of the newly-established jointMalaysia-Indonesia airline getting the planes from its major shareholder– Indonesia's Lion Air. In February last year, Lion Air had placed an order for 27 ATR72-600s, which when all are delivered in 2015 will make its regionalsubsidiary, Wings Air, the world's largest ATR operator, with a totalfleet size of 60 comprising 20 ATR 72-500s and 40 ATR 72-600s. Standard & Poor's aviation analyst Shukor Yusof told SunBizit is likely Lion Air will transfer several ATRs from Wings Air toMalindo Air for the latter to begin flights from Subang to Sabah,Sarawak and Singapore, currently dominated by Firefly. Malindo Air is reportedly seeking an operating licence from theDepartment of Civil Aviation to fly from the Subang airport, which onlyallows the operations of propeller aircraft for commercial passengerflights. At an April 4, 2013 event, its CEO Chandran Rama Muthy did notdeny or confirm the rumours, except to say that the airline is "focusedon jet operations at the moment". "If it happens, I see it will have a detrimental impact on Fireflywhich is now serving the full-service premium segment using the ATRs andwhere its fares are no longer as competitive as before (when it wasoperating as a low cost carrier)," said Shukor. "Malindo Air's turboprop operations would be competing head-on withFirefly on the lucrative short-haul routes out of Subang to Kuching,Kota Kinabalu as well as Singapore, and Malindo Air is likely to have anadvantage over Firefly in offering lower fares. "This in turn could hurt Firefly's parent Malaysia Airlines which has been trying to turn itself around. "But as a consumer, I would welcome Malindo Air's turbopropoperations as it would benefit passengers (by giving more choice ofroutes, frequencies and lower fares)," Shukor added. MIDF Research aviation analyst Chua Boon Kian believes that MalindoAir is likely to operate turboprops out of the Skypark Terminal as theterminal is unable to support bigger jet operations and take off oflarger aircraft due to its short runway. Firefly and Berjaya Air currently fly out of Skypark Terminal,operating turboprop aircraft like the ATR 72-500 and DeHavilland Dash 7. "Skypark Terminal was designed for turboprop flights. If they canutilise the turboprops by their parent company (Lion Air), then there isa possibility (of Malindo Air flying out of Skypark Terminal),"Inter-Pacific Research Sdn Bhd head Pong Teng Siew told SunBiz. "While the terminal used to handle international flights in the past,there is a lack of facilities there now to handle jet operations unlessit is upgraded," he added. Rumours are rife that Malindo Air, which has been on a recruitmentdrive prior to it beginning domestic jet flights out of the KLInternational Airport in Sepang on March 22, 2013, was also recruitingpilots for turboprop operations. Like Wings Air, an industry observer sees Malindo Air's turbopropoperations from Malaysia feeding Lion Air's 737-900ERs operations inIndonesia as well as Malindo Air's jet operations. National Aerospace and Defence Industries Sdn Bhd owns a 51% stake inMalindo Air, while Lion Air holds the remaining 49% stake via parent PTLion Grup. Sources: http://www.thesundaily.my/news/659904 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sharil Abdul Rahman 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 Wait. Can an ATR-600 fly all the way to Kuching? O.o. Either the reporter is making things up, or i didnt know the ATR can fly one shot there. Also either the analyst speaking out of his bum or the reporter typo - Kuching instead of Kota Bahru. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 I know in the early 90s, MH was still flying Fokker F50 from KUL-KCH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 ATR72-500's published range is 890 nm. KUL-KCH is around 530 nm. So it should be possible to do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 A mistake by the analyst or the reporter there for sure. How can a flight from Subang to Sabah and Sarawak be a lucrative route for FY when the airline does not even fly there. SIN has never being mentioned as a future destination of OD too. Refer to the map. Also, there is no logic for OD to fly to KCH and BKI from SZB with ATR while maintaining its 739 operation out of KUL. Our forum members' interpretation over OD's recruitment ad is more precise - the ATR is going to operate all the routes within Peninsular and Medan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CH Teo 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) KUL-KCH should be no problem, 2 hours or a little more non stop is sufficient for ATR 72; but KUL-BKI I dont think it's possible...but yea, the reports sounds a little weird... Edited April 12, 2013 by CH Teo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waiping 12 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 It would be torturous on the turboprop! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sing Yew 1 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 What's more bizarre is this paragraph: "MIDF Research aviation analyst Chua Boon Kian believes that MalindoAir is likely to operate turboprops out of the Skypark Terminal as theterminal is unable to support bigger jet operations and take off oflarger aircraft due to its short runway" SZB used to cater to tonnes of widebodies when it was the main entry point to KL, a case of factual inaccuracy on the short runway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alberttky 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 Shows that some imbeciles just have no idea what the fish they're talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 Yes, this is the standard fare that our local analysts come up with. If I was investing in the stock market, I will go elsewhere for my research! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 Classic !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JingKai Seah 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 What's more bizarre is this paragraph: "MIDF Research aviation analyst Chua Boon Kian believes that Malindo Air is likely to operate turboprops out of the Skypark Terminal as the terminal is unable to support bigger jet operations and take off of larger aircraft due to its short runway" SZB used to cater to tonnes of widebodies when it was the main entry point to KL, a case of factual inaccuracy on the short runway. Haha.. can't cater widebodies? Even KLM's 747s goes to SZB for maintenance.. stupid analysts -_-" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 Should take them spotting at SZB. :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 Keyboard warriors vs armchair analysts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted April 12, 2013 With that development, I think we can safely assume that the SZB based ATRs will serve AOR, LGK, KBR, TGG and MES. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites