MAS B772 Fleet Decommissioned on 27 January 2016

[Kenneth T 0]

History reveals that inefficiencies in MH management. For instance, fleet renewal only comes in when the aircraft is in urgent replacement. By looking at the past trend, management only decide fleet renewal when the aircraft has been in the service for around 15 years. In the next 5 years most airlines will be operating the B737 max/ A320 neo, B787/ A350 xwb. Needless to say that these aircraft is far more fuel efficient than the fleet that MH operates. The management is slow in responding to environment changes. Not to mention that MH is often locked in situation to serve national interest / politician interest vs profitable objectives. Routes often pulled out are reinstated at the later stage with political influence. Thus, it is fair to conclude that it is by no way that MH can be efficient and profitable by operating in this intense competition environment.

[KK Lee 5]

History reveals that inefficiencies in MH management. For instance, fleet renewal only comes in when the aircraft is in urgent replacement. By looking at the past trend, management only decide fleet renewal when the aircraft has been in the service for around 15 years. In the next 5 years most airlines will be operating the B737 max/ A320 neo, B787/ A350 xwb. Needless to say that these aircraft is far more fuel efficient than the fleet that MH operates. The management is slow in responding to environment changes. Not to mention that MH is often locked in situation to serve national interest / politician interest vs profitable objectives. Routes often pulled out are reinstated at the later stage with political influence. Thus, it is fair to conclude that it is by no way that MH can be efficient and profitable by operating in this intense competition environment.

 

Should MH is persistent in replacing 772; given past record, 772 replacement will need to deliver by 2018 and won't be surprise, 77W will be the choice.

[GeO 0]

Wouldnt B777-300 be a better replacement for B777-200?

[BC Tam 2]

Wouldnt B777-300 be a better replacement for B777-200?

[Kenneth T 0]

MH is far lacking in long term planning. With government influence and interference, it is not going anywhere and head to head competing with world premium airlines such as EK, SQ, CX etc. It's a great shame that MH has been relying on government aid, and the latest by way of Sukuk, at tax payer expense. The national airlines is thus unable to progress with those corrupted government around.

[S V Choong 4]

Whats the delivery slot for 777-300ER like at the moment? I would have thought the hot cake is now a bit colder?

[flee 5]

If MH orders the B77W, it would be one of their biggest mistakes! With the launch of the B777X yesterday, any B77Ws that MH will receive will be uncompetitive within 2 or 3 years of delivery. And we are back to square one.

[KK Lee 5]

If MH orders the B77W, it would be one of their biggest mistakes! With the launch of the B777X yesterday, any B77Ws that MH will receive will be uncompetitive within 2 or 3 years of delivery. And we are back to square one.

 

History just repeat itself, A350 was on the table when MH ordered A33E and will become uncompetitive by 2 years time.

[Kenneth T 0]

 

History just repeat itself, A350 was on the table when MH ordered A33E and will become uncompetitive by 2 years time.

Exactly, history has proven how inefficient of the bad planning of the management. By looking at past record, this aircraft is expected to be around for another 10-15 years of which by then should be considered outdated when the A350xwb and B777X are in service. These aircraft are far more fuel efficient than the A33E, considering of the high fuel price of more than $100. Besides, tight cash flow which may be one of the biggest constraint, the management simply is incapable of turning the airline into profitability. The survival of the airline depends solely on the funding from the tax payer's $. MH is thus outdated and the model is will gradually obsolete should the management continue to remain stubborn. Other factor counts in, the stupidity of the government in power, which continue to fund the airlines thus making it relying it on the 'free money' .

[JuliusWong 0]

All argument sums up in three words: Mana Ada System= MAS..........made popular by our own politicians..................

[Johan Z 0]

Malaysia Airlines to announce B777-200 fleet replacement order in 2014

 

18NOV2013

Malaysia Airlines (MH, Kuala Lumpur Int'l) will make a decision in the first quarter of 2014 on a replacement order for its ageing fleet of fifteen B777-200(ER)s, set to be phased out over the next three years. Business newswire Bloomberg says both Airbus Industrie (AIB, Toulouse Blagnac) and Boeing (BOE, Chicago O'Hare) offerings are being considered with a tentative delivery date scheduled for 2017. With a total of thirty aircraft, in particular its B737-400s, due to leave its fleet this year, the Malaysian national carrier plans to add twenty-four new aircraft, predominantlyA330-300s and B737-800s, this year with another twenty-five slated to arrive over the next two years.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/news/23444-malaysia-airlines-to-announce-b777-200-fleet-replacement-order-in-2014

[flee 5]

MAS looks at acquiring more widebody aircraft

MAS is currently only slated to take one widebody aircraft in 2014, the last of 15 A330-300Es. This is the last widebody that MAS currently has on order. Mr Jauhari says this aircraft will be placed on the Kuala Lumpur-Dubai route, which MAS resumed in Aug-2013 and for now is being operated with 777s-200ERs. (MAS cut Dubai along with six other long-haul destinations in early 2012; only Dubai has been reinstated.)

Widebody capacity growth will also be limited in 2014 as MAS has to remove its A380s from service, one at a time, for wing retrofits. Mr Jauhari says it will take about 10 months to complete retrofits on all six of the carrier’s A380s, leaving it with an in-service fleet of five aircraft from Feb-2014. MAS is hoping to continue operating two daily A380 flights to London and one daily A380 flight to Paris with the reduced five-aircraft fleet but will likely temporarily down-gauge its daily A380 flight to Hong Kong.

MAS is now looking at replacement options for its 777-200ER fleet, which are 14 years old, making it by far the oldest aircraft type in the carrier’s now otherwise modern fleet. MAS could start taking delivery of new widebodies to replace its 16 777s as early as 2015.

Mr Dunleavy says MAS will likely source 777 replacements from leasing companies as placing an order would require longer lead times. Additional A330s could be acquired for part of the requirement but a new widebody type will be needed as A330s do not have the range to take over all the routes MAS now operates with 777s.

Replacements for the 777s are the last remaining component of the carrier’s fleet renewal programme. “The 777s are our next target,” Mr Dunleavy told CAPA. “But that has to tie into the lease expire conditions. That will be over the next two or three years.”

In tandem, MAS is now working on a new long-term widebody fleet plan that will take into account both growth and replacement aircraft. “Before we rush into that [leasing 777 replacements] we will do a long-term fleet plan and plan what we want to do over the next 10 to 15 years. That’s something that will be rolled out over the next three or four months,” Mr Dunleavy says.

More here: http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/malaysia-airlines-pursues-rapid-expansion-but-yields-and-profits-are-under-pressure-140403

 

[Josh T 0]

At least we know they're seriously looking at the B772 replacements now, so that's something official.

[Radzi 2]

Regarding the B772 replacement: By first quarter of next year MAS will decide..........

 

..........that they will make the decision later.

[Eddy Liew 0]

Regarding the B772 replacement: By first quarter of next year MAS will decide..........

 

..........that they will make the decision later.

 

Haha well said Captain!

[Josh T 0]

LOL! Good one.

[flee 5]

2015 deliveries - maybe they are looking at the A380.

 

Sort out the code shares with oneworld partners and MH can fly A380 to AMS and LAX...

 

It is good to know that they are looking at a 10-15 year fleet planning horizon before making any orders. We seldom hear this kind of talk from MH officials.

[Nicholas Wan 0]

Come Feb2014 can 5 A380 cope with 2 flights to London and 1 to Paris ? I don't think so

[flee 5]

Come Feb2014 can 5 A380 cope with 2 flights to London and 1 to Paris ? I don't think so

MH currently operates 21 weekly A380 flights to LHR and CDG. It should be quite comfortable to do so with 5 aircraft as they will withdraw the A380 from the KUL-HKG service.

 

FYI D7 used to mount 10 weekly flights with just 2 A340s.

[leon t 0]

There are only 2 widebody aircraft that MAS can order, and that is the A350 series or the B777X and if they even put in an order now, it will take at least another 4 years before they get the 1st plane if they are lucky. Believed MAS need a few more A330E from its current 15.

[flee 5]

MAS has not announced if they plan to exercise their options on the A333.

 

The enhanced 242 tonne version looks like it is what they need. Here is the burp from Airbus:

 

 

A further enhancement of the A330 comes with Airbus’ launch of an increased maximum takeoff weight capability to 242 metric tonnes. With this improvement, the A330-300 will benefit from up to 500 nautical miles of extra range, to 6,100 nautical miles – with 300 passengers, and carry nearly five tonnes more payload than the previous 235-tonne aircraft. In operational terms, the increased takeoff weight A330-300 will be able to connect to the following new city pairs: London to Tokyo; Frankfurt to Cape Town; Beijing to Melbourne; Beijing to San Francisco; Kuala Lumpur to Paris; and Los Angeles to Dublin.

 

Airbus will apply the 242-tonne maximum takeoff weight capability first to the A330-300, with an entry in service targeted for mid-2015 (followed by the A330-200 and A330-200F). With these enhancements, Airbus will have added some 50 per cent more range to the A330-300 since its service entry, while reducing maintenance costs by 20 per cent.

[Jtnstar 0]

Yeah I agree that MAS should at least upgrade the interior of those ageing 77Es. In addition to ordering new aircrafts to replace them, MAS should order 2 more A380s and 5 more A333s (the 242t version) given that it is increasing the frequency of its flights.

 

MAS should be making its decision as soon as possible.

[Guest Michael]

I agree for sure.

[flee 5]

Maybe MH should try to do an SQ - lease a few B77Ws from Boeing and order new B779x's for post 2020 deliveries. Boeing seems to be able to deliver B77Ws ordered now in 2015. So these leased frames will be with MH for at least 5 years.

[Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2]

Maybe MH should try to do an SQ - lease a few B77Ws from Boeing and order new B779x's for post 2020 deliveries. Boeing seems to be able to deliver B77Ws ordered now in 2015. So these leased frames will be with MH for at least 5 years.

 

77W is too big - if the A380 wasn't already in the fleet then it would be the perfect aircraft for the job.