Izanee 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 Well, SQ has an even larger domestic market, Indonesia! MH did not see that in the early days while SQ moved in slowly and surely! Huge population and a growing middle class. This is why they have a first class service on their multiple daily flights to cGK! Retrospectively its easy to say, I know, but hell, its a no brainer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 Does the Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines partnership clear the runway for a future merger? Malaysia’s struggling flagship carrier has unexpectedly agreed to explore a partnership with its fierce Singaporean competitor While there has been resistance against a future merger on grounds of national pride, some analysts say such an alliance makes good business sense https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3016531/does-singapore-airlines-and-malaysia-airlines-partnership-clear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 Does anyone see this as another AF-KL or BA-IB to create a megahub ala AMS-CDG or LON-MAD? Despite the mergers, all 4 airlines above retain their identity as flag carriers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Tan 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2019 It is SQ, TR and MI objective to serve as many feasible destinations as possible. If not because political sensitivity, MI could have bought regional jets to render KUL and CGK irreverent as international hub. Which airline doesn't want to serve as many feasible destinations as possible? Another MH favourite story was domestic routes was subsidized by international routes. Well, ask yourself why. If the domestic market were large and high-yield enough it wouldn't need to be subsidised. When was the last time you paid hundreds of dollars on a domestic ticket in Malaysia? Well, SQ has an even larger domestic market, Indonesia! MH did not see that in the early days while SQ moved in slowly and surely! Huge population and a growing middle class. This is why they have a first class service on their multiple daily flights to cGK! Retrospectively its easy to say, I know, but hell, its a no brainer. Not sure I understand your argument. SQ maintains F to CGK because of the number of wealthy business travellers who commute to and from SIN. There's just a lot more O&D traffic between Singapore and Jakarta (enough for SQ to sustain 8 daily widebody flights), and connecting traffic is only part of the story. If there aren't as many people who need to travel between Jakarta and KL, I'm not sure how this is a loss for MH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 Chris - I dont know the figures for O&D vs connecting traffic between SIN and CGK. I always assumed that the wealthy Indonesians loved going to Singapore to connect elsewhere (on top of those going to Singapore for business/leisure). Do you know that for a fact? Even if there werent as many travelling to KUL as O&D, I felt that MH could have positioned itself a bit better as an airline connecting Indonesia to the rest of the world. Which airline doesn't want to serve as many feasible destinations as possible? Well, ask yourself why. If the domestic market were large and high-yield enough it wouldn't need to be subsidised. When was the last time you paid hundreds of dollars on a domestic ticket in Malaysia? Not sure I understand your argument. SQ maintains F to CGK because of the number of wealthy business travellers who commute to and from SIN. There's just a lot more O&D traffic between Singapore and Jakarta (enough for SQ to sustain 8 daily widebody flights), and connecting traffic is only part of the story. If there aren't as many people who need to travel between Jakarta and KL, I'm not sure how this is a loss for MH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 When was the last time you paid hundreds of dollars on a domestic ticket in Malaysia? I do. And I believe very much the norm for us over here on Borneo island when we need to travel across the pond Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Which airline doesn't want to serve as many feasible destinations as possible? Well, ask yourself why. If the domestic market were large and high-yield enough it wouldn't need to be subsidised. When was the last time you paid hundreds of dollars on a domestic ticket in Malaysia? Not sure I understand your argument. SQ maintains F to CGK because of the number of wealthy business travellers who commute to and from SIN. There's just a lot more O&D traffic between Singapore and Jakarta (enough for SQ to sustain 8 daily widebody flights), and connecting traffic is only part of the story. If there aren't as many people who need to travel between Jakarta and KL, I'm not sure how this is a loss for MH. Before btp, mh routes and network planning was defying what business school would teach. For reasons, mh has been bleeding cash for years. When mh started kul-dxb-ewr, it was bleeding rm18m per quarter from the beginning due to load limitations, and this route never make a single cent. Before ak as we know now, mh kul-bki ticket could be more expensive than kul-bkk. Mh began to crumble when domestic routes was liberalized. If you believe mh domestic routes was subsidized by international routes, you should also believe Harry Potter is a genuine person. There is no doubt, there is a large o&d traffic between sin and cgk. But number of ex-cgk pax transit thru sin is substantial also. Edited June 29, 2019 by KK Lee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 Does anyone see this as another AF-KL or BA-IB to create a megahub ala AMS-CDG or LON-MAD? Despite the mergers, all 4 airlines above retain their identity as flag carriers. This can only happen if the Malaysian govt. sees it as a strictly commercial operation. But under Tun M, this is unlikely as he has already "interfered" even before MAB is sold! MH and SQ combined is good for economies of scale - that will be the main benefit. They will have greater purchasing power on the supply chain. MRO for the group will be lower cost if based in Malaysia. Cargo will be best focussed at the SIN hub. There is no doubt, there is a large o&d traffic between sin and cgk. But number of ex-cgk pax transit thru sin is substantial also. Some of my Indonesian friends/relatives told me that a lot of Indonesians think that SQ is their national airline as they have great reservations about Indonesian airlines' safety. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J. Suri 0 Report post Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Does the Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines partnership clear the runway for a future merger? Malaysia’s struggling flagship carrier has unexpectedly agreed to explore a partnership with its fierce Singaporean competitor While there has been resistance against a future merger on grounds of national pride, some analysts say such an alliance makes good business sense https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3016531/does-singapore-airlines-and-malaysia-airlines-partnership-clear Does anyone see this as another AF-KL or BA-IB to create a megahub ala AMS-CDG or LON-MAD? Despite the mergers, all 4 airlines above retain their identity as flag carriers. Well...well.. I think I had said about this half a decade ago http://www.malaysianwings.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=19727&p=339542 Edited June 29, 2019 by J. Suri Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Tan 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2019 Chris - I dont know the figures for O&D vs connecting traffic between SIN and CGK. I always assumed that the wealthy Indonesians loved going to Singapore to connect elsewhere (on top of those going to Singapore for business/leisure). Do you know that for a fact? Even if there werent as many travelling to KUL as O&D, I felt that MH could have positioned itself a bit better as an airline connecting Indonesia to the rest of the world. Some wealthy Indonesians do enjoy being loyal to SQ, but others recognise that they have choices. Regardless, we're talking about a subset of what isn't exactly a huge market to begin with. As you say, it's the middle class might that's booming, but I don't think many of them fly F and J abroad at any considerable frequency And I'm not sure what you'd want MH to do just to steal the Indonesian market share. Open new long-haul routes to cater to the conneting Indonesians? Deploy A380s to CGK to compete with SQ? I do. And I believe very much the norm for us over here on Borneo island when we need to travel across the pond Look beyond the confines of this country and you'll find that the ringgit you're paying really is peanuts in comparison to the dollars you'd pay for domestic travel elsewhere. And more often than not you're paying more for less in many parts of the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted June 30, 2019 Look beyond the confines of this country and you'll find that the ringgit you're paying really is peanuts in comparison to the dollars you'd pay for domestic travel elsewhere. And more often than not you're paying more for less in many parts of the world. Should also compare gross and disposable income. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2019 Should also compare gross and disposable income. I agree. Why don't you compare the gross and disposable income of our neighbors (e.g. TH/VN/ID/PH) and do a few trunk routes and compare their prices against Malaysia's for similar-ish distance. Let me know if you find their flag carrier (apples to apples, so you can't compare Vietjet Air to MH), i.e. GA/TG/VN/PR to MH. KUL-LGK, 282 miles for ~RM60 ($14.50 USD) KUL-KCH, 603 miles for ~RM120 ($29 USD) That should cover city pairs like BKK-HKT, CGK-DPS/SUB, MNL-CEB, SGN/HAN-DAD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted June 30, 2019 Look beyond the confines of this country and you'll find that the ringgit you're paying really is peanuts in comparison to the dollars you'd pay for domestic travel elsewhere. And more often than not you're paying more for less in many parts of the world. You mentioned "a domestic ticket in Malaysia?" and mine was a response confined to that If looking beyond, yes, a fair comment about payment in form of peanuts, particularly so when considering how our MYR (with which we pay for our domestic rides) is faring against the USD (for which most things aviation related is transacted I believe) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted June 30, 2019 I agree. Why don't you compare the gross and disposable income of our neighbors (e.g. TH/VN/ID/PH) and do a few trunk routes and compare their prices against Malaysia's for similar-ish distance. Let me know if you find their flag carrier (apples to apples, so you can't compare Vietjet Air to MH), i.e. GA/TG/VN/PR to MH. KUL-LGK, 282 miles for ~RM60 ($14.50 USD) KUL-KCH, 603 miles for ~RM120 ($29 USD) That should cover city pairs like BKK-HKT, CGK-DPS/SUB, MNL-CEB, SGN/HAN-DAD Regular or promotion fare? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2019 Regular or promotion fare? What's the difference? Airline ticket prices changes constantly. With MH, if you miss a sale/promo fare, it'll be back in 1-2 weeks. Plus minus a few ringgits here and there. But I am waiting for the comparison Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted July 1, 2019 The MAB silly news cycle is here: Unknown sources indicating a tie up with Lufthansa?! https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/khazanah-asset-sales-set-pick?fbclid=IwAR0MtphYVmkIWCX1xEZmVqnijzOrMwzVCRToK-wEJispaNbUqH3GnvDyFsI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jani 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2019 Can't discount any rumor. No smoke without fire. Though anyone can have discussions with anyone, doesn't particularly mean anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted July 2, 2019 A380 for British summer student peak period was already planned some time ago. If the AMS rumour is true, that is good news - MAB should reintroduce its more popular European routes when possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted July 2, 2019 A380 for British summer student peak period was already planned some time ago. Our Kim still scheduled on the 350 as of now Unless your definition of "summer student peak period" fall outside mid Aug-early Sep window Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted July 3, 2019 AirAsia co-founder Pahamin proposes plan to take over Malaysia Airlines https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/airasia-cofounder-pahamin-proposes-plan-take-over-malaysia-airlines Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted July 5, 2019 Pahamin: No job cuts in Malaysia Airlines Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2019/07/05/we-wont-cut-jobs-says-pahamin/#ICjA2i2XSIVujhqy.99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leon t 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2019 They will all say this but its inevitable that there be job losses for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted July 9, 2019 They will all say this but its inevitable that there be job losses for sure. Perhaps they have plans to expand MAB without increasing the workforce? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted July 9, 2019 So, who are the 4 cronies being asked to take over MAS?https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/07/502853/govt-receives-4-proposals-mas-turnaround-plan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jani 0 Report post Posted July 10, 2019 From other sources I read: Datuk Pahamin's group - The original AirAsia partner who was instrumental in Tony obtaining Tun M's blessing to start (his version of) AirAsia Jentayu Danaraksa - Firm that tried to buy out MAS in 2014 from Khazanah, if you all may recall. One of their members include Shukor Yusof, former Standard & Poor's aviation analyst Weststar Aviation - Mainly General Aviation and Helicopter charter service company. Partly owned by mega private equity firm KKR Group backed by Qatari Investors - Most interesting out of the lot, but the most mysterious thus far. Rumored to already been active in the Malaysian aviation scene with shareholdings in major entities, but very discreetly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites