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Insider info is that the Dugong is officially leaving the fleet for good. While local Haj Umrah capacity will not be affected as the A330 could supply, substantial indonesian pilgrims transiting would have to source other means as the feeder service is likely gone for good. 

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26 minutes ago, jahur said:

Insider info is that the Dugong is officially leaving the fleet for good. While local Haj Umrah capacity will not be affected as the A330 could supply, substantial indonesian pilgrims transiting would have to source other means as the feeder service is likely gone for good. 

Have they found buyers for the Dugongs or will they just be sold for scrap? The writing is on the wall for Project Amal. Both Garuda and Lion Air are taking deliveries of the A339 and they will fly their pilgrims direct from CGK (the third runway is operational) from now on. I think that MH knows - lately I see that the dugongs were flying some air tests up the Straits of Melaka, So they may be departing soon... 

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56 minutes ago, flee said:

Have they found buyers for the Dugongs or will they just be sold for scrap? The writing is on the wall for Project Amal. Both Garuda and Lion Air are taking deliveries of the A339 and they will fly their pilgrims direct from CGK (the third runway is operational) from now on. I think that MH knows - lately I see that the dugongs were flying some air tests up the Straits of Melaka, So they may be departing soon... 

Heard the planes will no longer leased by mab and will be put on long term storage until another buyer or leaser comes(highly unlikely as the spec mab configured is too low spec interested party like Emirates and BA have turned away due to this).  

As for Indonesia even with a large bulk of 330s it wont he able to suffice Saudi's strict slot timing restriction. Unless Garuda sends 400++ seaters and reduce the frequency. A big margin of Indonesians have also used Thai airways but now thai is also not keen on doing feeder umrah and haj. Friends in indonesia have complained the haj umrah fares by lion and garuda to be very pricey when compared to flying with Saudia and other Carriers.

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, jahur said:

Heard the planes will no longer leased by mab and will be put on long term storage until another buyer or leaser comes(highly unlikely as the spec mab configured is too low spec interested party like Emirates and BA have turned away due to this).  

As for Indonesia even with a large bulk of 330s it wont he able to suffice Saudi's strict slot timing restriction. Unless Garuda sends 400++ seaters and reduce the frequency. A big margin of Indonesians have also used Thai airways but now thai is also not keen on doing feeder umrah and haj. Friends in indonesia have complained the haj umrah fares by lion and garuda to be very pricey when compared to flying with Saudia and other Carriers.

 

As haj umrah is seasonal, wet lease 773, 744, A380 is an option.

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7 hours ago, KK Lee said:

As haj umrah is seasonal, wet lease 773, 744, A380 is an option.

Umrah is all year round only Haj is seasonal. Indonesia does occasionally lease a few European based charter like wamos air though its for Haj only. Jakarta 3 runways is still not rated for 340 tonne above weight aircrafts lol. So high density 748s 77w and a380 still cant land there.

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2 hours ago, jahur said:

Umrah is all year round only Haj is seasonal. Indonesia does occasionally lease a few European based charter like wamos air though its for Haj only. Jakarta 3 runways is still not rated for 340 tonne above weight aircrafts lol. So high density 748s 77w and a380 still cant land there.

744, 77w and a380 could refuel at sin or kul.

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5 minutes ago, KK Lee said:

744, 77w and a380 could refuel at sin or kul.

Might not be as feasible. Infact Saudi Arabian Airlines is the best choice for Indonesians now its direct and cheaper than Garuda and they are allowed multiple frequency into Jeddah compared to other carriers. Might expect them to expand with mab and thai pulling out.

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13 hours ago, jahur said:

Might not be as feasible. Infact Saudi Arabian Airlines is the best choice for Indonesians now its direct and cheaper than Garuda and they are allowed multiple frequency into Jeddah compared to other carriers. Might expect them to expand with mab and thai pulling out.

Saudi airlines will face same weight limit.

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9 hours ago, KK Lee said:

Saudi airlines will face same weight limit.

They can and are allowed to send multiple frequency and their 77w are not high density either with not much cargo. Garuda which retrofitted their 777-300ER thrice is still too heavy.

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Give it a year once the world reaches herd immunity and the A380s will be active again doing Umrah/Hajj runs like before. Umrah is actually a very big business and I remember pre-covid days MAB was  approached by a number of agencies from PRC to operate direct to Saudi Arabia carrying mainland Chinese Muslim Pilgrims for Umrah. It was suppose to kick off this year, however Covid happened. All they need to do is to hang on another 12 months and things will start changing gear back to normal. Lets not be too negative about MH, this time its not their fault. The whole world aviation industry is suffering. 

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1 hour ago, Pall said:

Give it a year once the world reaches herd immunity and the A380s will be active again doing Umrah/Hajj runs like before. Umrah is actually a very big business and I remember pre-covid days MAB was  approached by a number of agencies from PRC to operate direct to Saudi Arabia carrying mainland Chinese Muslim Pilgrims for Umrah. It was suppose to kick off this year, however Covid happened. All they need to do is to hang on another 12 months and things will start changing gear back to normal. Lets not be too negative about MH, this time its not their fault. The whole world aviation industry is suffering. 

Problem now with majority of the crew in that fleet gone and no simulator as its sold. To reactivate and rehire and retrain everyone overseas whislt leasing back the plane it would take more than a year to get things sorted out. 

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On 12/4/2020 at 10:55 AM, Pall said:

Give it a year once the world reaches herd immunity and the A380s will be active again doing Umrah/Hajj runs like before. Umrah is actually a very big business and I remember pre-covid days MAB was  approached by a number of agencies from PRC to operate direct to Saudi Arabia carrying mainland Chinese Muslim Pilgrims for Umrah. It was suppose to kick off this year, however Covid happened. All they need to do is to hang on another 12 months and things will start changing gear back to normal. Lets not be too negative about MH, this time its not their fault. The whole world aviation industry is suffering. 

The problem is MAB does not even have cashflow for day to day bread and butter operations. The A380 was a vanity project and has already burnt more than its fair share of MAB's resources. We can see that even at airlines where the A380 was profitable (e.g. QF, BA, SQ, EK), they are still not bringing the A380 back anytime soon. If MAB wishes to re-enter the Umrah/Haj market, it would be easy for it just to lease some of the stored widebody fleet (most probably A330s). Another option is to take up the D7 A339 NTUs. MAB is fighting for survival, the A380 is a luxury it cannot afford. 

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MAG should have done this long ago. QF have pretty much perfected the strategy of the upmarket/low-cost model with QF and JQ in Australia and with international leisure markets. 

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12 hours ago, Josh T said:

MAG should have done this long ago. QF have pretty much perfected the strategy of the upmarket/low-cost model with QF and JQ in Australia and with international leisure markets. 

MAG did do this not too long ago.

 

Until it was killed by vested interests who saw the threat to their own empire...

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20 hours ago, KK Lee said:

Either plan a or b, creditors will loss and the management remain unchanged. old wine in new bottle.

I think you are 100% correct. It will be business as usual - there will be no major changes. Same old inefficient, incompetent and overpaid management. Wait for the next "turnaround" plan in 2 or 3 years.

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